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bamhand posted:What's wrong with NMD? It's the only content where stuff has enough HP to make the combat satisfying. It's way better than any open world content at least. Where do you rather want to be: - Handcrafted open world, millions of poo poo to do, dots everywhere on the map, people summoning bosses and firing nukes everywhere, and partying up randomly to get more hell/vamptide stuff and have fun, and coming away from it with whispers, season xp, vampstamp xp, etc then jump straight to the next one - Alone, in a cold, damp, dark, repetetive AI dungeon, thats half an hour long, occasionally backtracking through empty corridors, where all the drops except maybe the endboss are poo poo, and getting reward with like half a level on a glyph.
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Tokubetsu posted:Do the keys do anything else? I've just been opening every box lol. I just found out theres the special trine boss for 150 blood lures though so I may actually missing something. There's new crafting recipes that use blood lures, but I can't remember if the keys are part of them or not.
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Bisse posted:Where do you rather want to be: The open world stuff would only be fun if it was equivalent of like NM70+. As is, would rather be in the dungeon because open world is not rewarding from a gameplay, xp, or loot perspective.
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I wonder if they will take the feedback regarding vamptides and use them to improve on helltides. It does feel like they are experimenting with the format and seeing how players respond to it. I think vamptides are great
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Oct 25, 2023 19:48
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Biggest issue with NMDs is the general slowness of everything. Fishing around in your inventory to very slowly open a portal and sit through load screens compared to how little bullshit you need to zoom into Chaos Sanctuary or instantly pop open a GR, it's a total momentum killer.
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kaaj posted:Interesting if they'll stick to that message from yesterday about no nerfs with this published. I don't think fixing a bug really counts as a nerf.
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Oct 25, 2023 19:53
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That’s won’t be a nerf. That’s an obvious bug fix.
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Bisse posted:Where do you rather want to be: 2. But they could buff them some obv
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The problem with open world challenges being ”too easy / not enough xp / no glyph points” are just balancing choises. Increase monster stats in helltides and season tides for high levels by a lot, make one of the tide quests give you glyph xp, and boom you’ve given the player base something fun to do on high levels. Sure NMDs could still be faster for pure leveling, but personally I would rather have fun for 10 hours than be bored for 5. Hell maybe even let people bloodmark themselves in helltides so now I can do all the fun things at once in the same place. Hire me blizzard
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Oct 25, 2023 20:56
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Couldn't you also make NMD denser, have more events, etc? Honestly it's all the same to me as long as I'm smashing dense packs of monsters.
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Oct 25, 2023 21:00
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Just make them a linear corridor. There is no gameplay benefit gained by searching around for the doodad to place in the other doodad. All it does is add tedium and time.
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Bardeh posted:Just make them a linear corridor. There is no gameplay benefit gained by searching around for the doodad to place in the other doodad. All it does is add tedium and time. I thought that was the whole promise of season 1: the malignant tunnel
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 I'm trying to math this out. The higher power one has some dumpster roles but does it's over arching power edge it ahead?
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I wonder if they will take the feedback regarding vamptides and use them to improve on helltides. It does feel like they are experimenting with the format and seeing how players respond to it. I think vamptides are great Bisse posted:I would rather have fun for 10 hours than be bored for 5. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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m.hache posted:
The base damage increase alone is like an additional 25%[x] mod (and will get even better after hitting 5/5), so yeah you should switch
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they did make the NMDs denser than s0 (i think this was mid s1? fell off of that after a weekend when i first got into t4.) they're alright now id say, but you probably are still gonna want to look up what the "best" dungeons are. Sirocco Caverns is great for instance, no complaints about the density there.
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Dance Dance Rev Mario Mix posted:the living steel chests in a helltide seem to drop more forgotten souls than the others, so I've been targeting those
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Yeah Helltides suck now compared to Vamptides. Screaming Hellveins are purple looking things you can click on that spit out a couple of forgotten souls on the map. Then there is the boss that spawns whenever there are "meteors" dropping on the map, look around and you should either see it appear or see the boss icon on the map, they can drop forgotten souls and/or those roses. You can get 8 forgotten souls from a mystery chest, 10 from the living metal chest and 3 from a regular chest. The amounts are not guaranteed as you can get the roses too but you are guaranteed to get forgotten souls from the mystery and living metal chests. There is also the special helltide boss Kixxarth that drops a whole bunch of forgotten souls if you can find and kill it. It's not very hard, just annoying as it jumps and runs around. You should be able to get 45-55 forgotten souls from a single helltide. There is also a small chance to get a forgotten soul when salvaging a legendary item.
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The biggest problem with nmd is that you're forced to do stupid bullshit objectives to complete them. Nobody wants to rescue 6 tied up losers who wandered into the monsters den, or kill every single mob, or find multiple pedestal stones.
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TjyvTompa posted:Screaming Hellveins are purple looking things you can click on that spit out a couple of forgotten souls on the map. Then there is the boss that spawns whenever there are "meteors" dropping on the map, look around and you should either see it appear or see the boss icon on the map, they can drop forgotten souls and/or those roses. You can get 8 forgotten souls from a mystery chest, 10 from the living metal chest and 3 from a regular chest. The amounts are not guaranteed as you can get the roses too but you are guaranteed to get forgotten souls from the mystery and living metal chests. Tonetta posted:The biggest problem with nmd is that you're forced to do stupid bullshit objectives to complete them. Nobody wants to rescue 6 tied up losers who wandered into the monsters den, or kill every single mob, or find multiple pedestal stones.
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Or collect anima from mobs that have to explode into smaller spiders. Nothing breaks up a dungeon like waiting for your keys to spawn on kill. God help you if they are poison and you need to wait for the explosion before the anima spawns.
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Actually the biggest annoyance is the hurt tick you get when you’re poisoned that interrupts any of the action animations so after you kill that big mob of spiders you just have to stand there and wait for 10 seconds before you can even pick up the keystone.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The silent chests you need for season chapter 3 - are the maps online up to date? Tried looking some up and travelling to those spots but couldn't find any. Do they randomly spawn around that area, do they spawn at certain times of day, is there something I have to do to get them to spawn or are the maps just out of date? the maps could be right but it seems like silent chests are effectively a low chance replacement of the spawn of a regular chest. sometimes the spot is empty, most times it’ll have a regular chest, rarely a silent one. no rules that i know of like “there’s always one silent chest up per zone” or whatever that’s allow you to brute force it
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Bisse posted:Where do you rather want to be: the latter. andy and meph runs are my poo poo
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Is Mother's Embrace or a Duriel drop the only way Sorc can get 8 uniques equipped?
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hawowanlawow posted:seemed like WT4 varshan did his ground effect poo poo faster than in WT3. making the mechanics just go faster so you have less time to react and move is a lazy-rear end way to make it harder Woah. I don’t have minions, but blood surge upgrade is sick
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Zeg posted:Lures are probably the real grind. This is the blood I was talking about. The... other blood I've just been upgrading with and it just seems to keep refilling as I do stuff so I have to spend a thousand or whatever every so often. I'm not sure if keys drop more in WT3/4 but I probably got ~20 the entire time 1-50 (which, granted, was super fast and mostly collecting aspects/doing legions) so having hundreds seems weird. bamhand posted:Couldn't you also make NMD denser, have more events, etc? Honestly it's all the same to me as long as I'm smashing dense packs of monsters. More events would be kind of counterproductive, but yeah there's a point where you realize GRs did it right and having to make baby steps back towards that sucks. Flushing the MMO out of the system would be good but probably work against their cosmetic monetization strategy.
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Zeg posted:Lures are probably the real grind. Elites onward drop them pretty consistently and I spend a lot of time specifically riding around trying to get them to show up. if you can hit the central event with 5+ people i think you actually get more lures than it costs
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bamhand posted:Is Mother's Embrace or a Duriel drop the only way Sorc can get 8 uniques equipped? Ok actually it seems Mother's Embrace only drops as Sacred. Or at least the 3 I've gotten from Wt4 Varshan were. So that leaves just 2 hats from Duriel to possibly complete as a Sorc? Why do they design everything so poorly?
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Ehud posted:I don't think fixing a bug really counts as a nerf. Yeah, that looks a pure bug - Tibault's Will has a +Max Resource that is giving Rogues + to their Combo Points, rather than just Energy.
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I'm in wt4 and almost 70 and I still haven't had a single aspect of the alpha drop
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Tonetta posted:The biggest problem with nmd is that you're forced to do stupid bullshit objectives to complete them. Nobody wants to rescue 6 tied up losers who wandered into the monsters den, or kill every single mob, or find multiple pedestal stones. NMDs should be 2 or 3 times as long with no cockblocks along the way.
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if you have all your vampiric aspects upgraded, what would be the fastest way to do blood zones in order to finish up the rest of the hunters acclaim? i dont even know if anything in the last 3 tiers is super worth it but i have them just sitting there
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Did the dungeon layout changes not go in for season 2? I've been playing and I haven't noticed nearly as much/any backtracking as before. There's always a loop you can go through that has more monsters to kill and takes you back to where you need to be.
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Martian Manfucker posted:Did the dungeon layout changes not go in for season 2? I've been playing and I haven't noticed nearly as much/any backtracking as before. There's always a loop you can go through that has more monsters to kill and takes you back to where you need to be. I’ve still seen a lot of it. The dungeons with teleporters are a relief.
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Martian Manfucker posted:Did the dungeon layout changes not go in for season 2? I've been playing and I haven't noticed nearly as much/any backtracking as before. There's always a loop you can go through that has more monsters to kill and takes you back to where you need to be. Yeah it's like 5 minutes a dungeon if you're trying to speed through. Still kinda boring though. Jezza of OZPOS posted:if you have all your vampiric aspects upgraded, what would be the fastest way to do blood zones in order to finish up the rest of the hunters acclaim? i dont even know if anything in the last 3 tiers is super worth it but i have them just sitting there Completing the 3 objectives once an hour has been the fastest way for me. Not really worth it once those are done.
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I got a Temerity during a 150 blood lure event with a max barrier roll, game fun again. Are all the WT4 unique farming bosses as hard as Varshan? Even at level 77 my WW barb barely makes his HP go down and I die in a couple of hits.
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:if you have all your vampiric aspects upgraded, what would be the fastest way to do blood zones in order to finish up the rest of the hunters acclaim? i dont even know if anything in the last 3 tiers is super worth it but i have them just sitting there
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Lakbay posted:I got a Temerity during a 150 blood lure event with a max barrier roll, game fun again. Duriel is for sure harder (he's level 100), grigore and beast in ice might be easier
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