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Yeah you'll notice that most of the top women in AEW have experience in Japan, and specifically in Stardom and TJPW. Toni Storm and Jamie Hayter were in Stardom, Yuka and Riho and to a lesser extent Thunder Rosa were/are in TJPW, Shida was a freelancer, Emi ran multiple women's indies, and I'm probably forgetting others It's a shame that Mei Suruga only ever wrestled on Dark because she'd wrestle circles around most of the roster, but you can't make most of the rest of your women's division look like bums by letting her take the limiters off
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Elephant Ambush posted:
Exactly, if youre gonna make your womens roster look like bums you have to push a really ridiculously good looking novice wrestler over them until she learns to work and have a good character years later. But I digress.
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Oct 24, 2023 22:11
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There really is no cure for BBDS is there?
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Oct 24, 2023 22:18
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Emi Sakura also has a lot of cred as trainer, making her feel something like a Grand Damme of women's wrestling not only in Japan, but the entire world (since almost all the best female pro wrestlers are Joshi).
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Oct 24, 2023 22:45
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Elephant Ambush posted:Yeah you'll notice that most of the top women in AEW have experience in Japan, and specifically in Stardom and TJPW. Toni Storm and Jamie Hayter were in Stardom, Yuka and Riho and to a lesser extent Thunder Rosa were/are in TJPW, Shida was a freelancer, Emi ran multiple women's indies, and I'm probably forgetting others Pedant warning: Riho has worked more for Stardom than she has TJPW. She started in Ice Ribbon and then when Emi left she went with her to Gatoh Move. 2020 was first year Riho didn't work primarily for Emi
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I don't know much about Japanese women's wrestling but I was curious what the deal with Emi Sakura was. Reactions to her here seem extremely mixed in a way that I don't see for many other performers. Her Freddie Mercury gimmick was so bad and her theme song so unbearable that I'll never give her her flowers, no matter how good she is. 
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Oct 25, 2023 01:05
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Bonk posted:I was talking to an indie wrestler about this recently, and she was saying how basically until the Divas era ended, literally the only style of wrestling women learned was "woman wrestler". They were generic on purpose, because they couldn't show up the pretty models who couldn't wrestle. It's always kind of wild to me that modern women's wrestling sprung out of IWA-MS of all places.
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Bonk posted:
SHIMMER stood out for having cards that consisted of 47 genuine eight minutes matches that topped out at 3.25 stars and was hailed as being the one vestige of great American women's wrestling.
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Oct 25, 2023 01:58
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Elephant Ambush posted:Yeah you'll notice that most of the top women in AEW have experience in Japan, and specifically in Stardom and TJPW. Toni Storm and Jamie Hayter were in Stardom, Yuka and Riho and to a lesser extent Thunder Rosa were/are in TJPW, Shida was a freelancer, Emi ran multiple women's indies, and I'm probably forgetting others I think Nyla has done some tours in Japan as well? Not sure how much overseas experience Ruby Soho had pre-NXT on the indies.
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Oct 25, 2023 02:59
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One of the reasons Kris Statlander is good, per her own interview discussions on the subject, is that she trained exclusively with men and demanded they train her exactly like they would train a man, so she just basically does the same moves as the guys and more or less pulls it off fine
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harperdc posted:I think Nyla has done some tours in Japan as well? Not sure how much overseas experience Ruby Soho had pre-NXT on the indies. Nyla wrestled for Marvelous and Sendai Girls on multiple tours from 2016 to 2019. She had a really fun tag team / stable with Mio Momono. As Heidi Lovelace, Ruby Soho did a Stardom tour in 2015 and was a member of Odeo Tai.
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Oct 25, 2023 06:37
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Lamuella posted:As Heidi Lovelace, Ruby Soho did a Stardom tour in 2015 and was a member of Odeo Tai. AEW can do Odeo Tai USA with Ruby, Thunder Rosa and Jamie Hayter.
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Oct 25, 2023 11:52
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Anyone know what the deal with Sukeban is? Like I know they've run at least one show, but damned if I can figure out how to actually watch it.
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EdsTeioh posted:Anyone know what the deal with Sukeban is? Like I know they've run at least one show, but damned if I can figure out how to actually watch it. I don’t know anything other than it’s on YouTube and I still haven’t watched it yet! https://youtu.be/yOKlDELCT38?si=8m2dAwTzEY0aU-e4
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Ganso Bomb posted:I don’t know anything other than it’s on YouTube and I still haven’t watched it yet! OOOH poo poo thanks!
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Oct 25, 2023 15:42
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Dr. Quarex posted:One of the reasons Kris Statlander is good, per her own interview discussions on the subject, is that she trained exclusively with men and demanded they train her exactly like they would train a man, so she just basically does the same moves as the guys and more or less pulls it off fine Beth Phoenix did the same thing, as did Jordynne Grace. It's a good approach. Kris is also a very gifted athlete with stuntwoman experience, which helps a lot too.
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Oct 25, 2023 16:15
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Emi's also said she remembers Mick Foley from the deathmatch tourney as "That nice guy with the head wound reading a book backstage"
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Oct 25, 2023 16:26
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I never could understand training people differently based on any weird imposed metric like gender or whatever else. Our school trained everyone together and everyone did the same warmups, same drills, same everything and got the same level of critique whether you were big or small and regardless of gender. Just doesn’t feel like it does anyone any favors doing it any other way.
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Oct 25, 2023 16:44
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It doesn’t and that’s the point, up until relatively recently women’s wrestling (in the west at least) was a sideshow attraction and not something anyone took seriously, so why bother training them in anything beyond the bare minimum before sticking them on shows to be a curiosity at best.
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Oct 25, 2023 16:47
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History Comes Inside! posted:It doesn’t and that’s the point, up until relatively recently women’s wrestling (in the west at least) was a sideshow attraction and not something anyone took seriously, so why bother training them in anything beyond the bare minimum before sticking them on shows to be a curiosity at best. Just kinda weird since wrestling on the whole is a sideshow attraction. It's like the crocodile man telling the bearded lady she's weird.
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Oct 25, 2023 16:53
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Ganso Bomb posted:I never could understand training people differently based on any weird imposed metric like gender or whatever else. Our school trained everyone together and everyone did the same warmups, same drills, same everything and got the same level of critique whether you were big or small and regardless of gender. Just doesn’t feel like it does anyone any favors doing it any other way. Sexism isn't a rational thought process. Even today, a lot of 90s-era veterans (Al Snow comes to mind) would rather push women out of wrestling than help them get better at it.
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Oct 25, 2023 16:59
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Basically the training someone will get depends on the role you want to put them in. If you want your female wrestlers to beat the crap out of each other you train them to do that. If you want your female wrestlers to hit each other with pillowcases and pose in bikinis you train them to do that. And then you have the inbetween point where you want your female wrestlers to beat the crap out of each other, but all your trainers are retired wrestlers, and they think you can only train women to hit each other with pillowcases.
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Oct 25, 2023 18:29
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CombineThresher posted:Sexism isn't a rational thought process. Even today, a lot of 90s-era veterans (Al Snow comes to mind) would rather push women out of wrestling than help them get better at it. I remember Abadon in particular called Al Snow out, by name, for how lovely he was to her when she was breaking in.
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Oct 25, 2023 20:42
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EdsTeioh posted:Anyone know what the deal with Sukeban is? Like I know they've run at least one show, but damned if I can figure out how to actually watch it. I believe they originally live streamed it on TikTok. It's a weird deal, it definitely has money behind it and they are spending on relatively minor things but I have no clue what the business plan is. But if they keep hiring my friend to do costuming for promo shoots I wish them well.
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Oct 25, 2023 20:49
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Ganso Bomb posted:I never could understand training people differently based on any weird imposed metric like gender or whatever else. Our school trained everyone together and everyone did the same warmups, same drills, same everything and got the same level of critique whether you were big or small and regardless of gender. Just doesn’t feel like it does anyone any favors doing it any other way. It could have been different where women trained women and it was specialised and specifically focused on women's strengths like it often is in Japan. But the entirety of the wrestling industry, especially her husband and unfortunately the women around her, leaned hard in America to kill Mildred Burke's career so there was never a real tradition of sports style women's wrestling and training (even though it was proven draw). Where Burke had a free hand in Japan and Mexico, there's entire linages of trainers who can trace their training back to her.
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Oct 25, 2023 22:33
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EdsTeioh posted:Anyone know what the deal with Sukeban is? Like I know they've run at least one show, but damned if I can figure out how to actually watch it. They air first on TikTok and then presumably will keep uploading to Youtube later. I'm old and cranky so it seems weird to me but the kids love TikTok so if you're trying to catch a younger audience's attention... 
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Do they have any upcoming shows? The first one didn't make a huge splash and I honestly haven't heard anything since. At least I don't remember hearing anything since
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apophenium posted:Do they have any upcoming shows? The first one didn't make a huge splash and I honestly haven't heard anything since. At least I don't remember hearing anything since They're running Miami for Art Basel Miami Beach https://twitter.com/Sukeban_World/status/1710714056049336750
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Wasn't one of Moolah's lesser crimes was that she pretty much had a stranglehold on women's wrestling for decades, and controlled the influx of any talent that could get any level of shine on them? IE: If you were a better wrestler than Moolah(an incredibly low bar tbh), despite your training, she'd either get you blackballed or bury you.
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Vandar posted:They air first on TikTok and then presumably will keep uploading to Youtube later. How does that work? Do they put up videos of matches in small chunks on TikTok?
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edogawa rando posted:How does that work? Do they put up videos of matches in small chunks on TikTok? Nope, it was one long video, and it was in landscape There's livestreaming on tiktok (though I've always seen it in portrait)
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So how many AEW wrestlers have announced they're retiring soon? Off the top of my head: Sting Dustin Rhodes Bryan Danielson Then there's wrestlers who have at least said they're probably retiring after their AEW runs, however long that might be: The Hardys Adam Copeland Christian Cage FTR (?) Kenny Omega (?) Who am I forgetting and who am I wrong about?
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Danielson I think is winding down being a full time performer, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he shows up once in a while in the future (like a run to All In or Wrestle Kingdom).
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Suleman posted:So how many AEW wrestlers have announced they're retiring soon? Off the top of my head: The Bucks have always said they’ll hang it up earlier than people realize.
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Suleman posted:So how many AEW wrestlers have announced they're retiring soon? Off the top of my head: This post shows no rear end.
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NameHurtBrain posted:Wasn't one of Moolah's lesser crimes was that she pretty much had a stranglehold on women's wrestling for decades, and controlled the influx of any talent that could get any level of shine on them? Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Oct 26, 2023 |
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Vandar posted:They air first on TikTok and then presumably will keep uploading to Youtube later. Yeah, I heard something about it going up on TikTok but drat if I'm gonna download it to watch wrestling and then watch a full show on my phone. The show on Youtube was fine though but I wish they'd have graphics/chyron and uh...better commentators.
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Was Macho Man hard to work with or overly political? I know he had a lot of problems with Hogan, Elizabeth, and anyone he was paranoid about seeing Elizabeth but did he bring any of that to the ring? Getting lazy with the elbow drop due to wear and tear was pretty egregious since he just transferred all the pain and impact to the opponent. I watched this where he praises DDP and it made me wonder.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Was Macho Man hard to work with or overly political? I know he had a lot of problems with Hogan, Elizabeth, and anyone he was paranoid about seeing Elizabeth but did he bring any of that to the ring? Getting lazy with the elbow drop due to wear and tear was pretty egregious since he just transferred all the pain and impact to the opponent. DDP loves him because he was one of the only people Macho would put over strong and even that involved Macho winning most of their matches. He didn't like jobbing and was paranoid about being seen as weak.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Was Macho Man hard to work with or overly political? I know he had a lot of problems with Hogan, Elizabeth, and anyone he was paranoid about seeing Elizabeth but did he bring any of that to the ring? Getting lazy with the elbow drop due to wear and tear was pretty egregious since he just transferred all the pain and impact to the opponent. Macho's paranoia and tendency to map out his matches to the letter made him pretty hard to work with for a lot of the guys who were used to winging it because they were too drunk to remember pre-planned spots. He was a weird intense guy and there aren't many personalities who mesh well with that.
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