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Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors




Lmao, now this is pod racing conspiracy theory! WW3 because people in power just wanted to gently caress kids would be the right amount of absurdity.

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hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro
blaring oops i did it again as soon as i get back to base, while commiting war crimes

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

gradenko_2000 posted:

Chapter 4 of "Armies of Sand"



I am going to be skipping over the section on Korea entirely, as that's a bit far afield from our topic at-hand. I will say that the author holds the Korean People's Army in quite high regard and considers their performance in that conflict to have been very good, and the final failure to crush the Pusan Perimeter was more about the American ability to rapidly shift forces along interior lines rather than anything lacking in KPA's military leadership or planning, and indeed that they benefited from the adoption of Soviet doctrine.

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as a personal note, I'd never quite read anything detailed about the Angolan conflict before besides the fact that it happened and that Cuba sent forces to intervene, so I was grinning like an idiot at reading how this all went down

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I acknowledge that this next bit is somewhat in the wheelhouse of forums poster PawParole, and I defer to them for any corrections or disputes







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I am skipping over an account of further campaigns in Angola from 1976 to 1988, including the battle of Cuito Cuanavale, which is described as an absolutely masterful display of military prowess under the personal direction of Fidel Castro that humiliated South Africa to such a degree that they sought for negotiations afterwards.

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Pretty correct, but Somali guerrilas liberated the region a year later when the fascist junta tried to crush Eritrea. They held on until Operation Lash (Ringworm) in 1980 which killed 40,000 Somalis and Oromos and caused 800k refugees to flee into northern Somalia.

Zadok Allen
Oct 9, 2023

lol respect

Zadok Allen has issued a correction as of 04:20 on Dec 23, 2023

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/Riffs33/status/1717278945832215037


:prepop:

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

The Ethiopian army occupied the Ogaden for only a brief period after defeating the Somali army. Six months later, rebel attacks were increasing in frequency. Within a year, the WSLF was back in control of most of the countryside, and the army was confined to the towns, the main roads, and the air. According to journalist William Campbell, 90 per cent of the lowlands were in rebel hands.2 The OLF was also able to operate freely in much of the highlands, and held its first congress at Bookhee in the Chercher highlands of Harerghe in April 1978.

Conventional battlefield tactics met with limited success against the WSLF and the OLF. Sweeps and patrols throughout 1979 in the lowlands temporarily reduced the insurgent activity, but failed to engage most of the rebel forces, and became instead more akin to punitive expeditions, attacking villages and herds, and forcing another wave of refugees to flee to Somalia

Starting in December 1979, the government launched a second military offensive. Soviet advisors and Cuban troops participated. This differed from the counter-offensive of 1978 in that:

(1) It was more specifically directed against the population's means of survival, including
poisoning and bombing water holes and machine gunning herds of cattle; and
(2) It covered Oromo areas as well as the Ogaden.


At the outset of the 1979/80 offensive, the WSLF was estimated to control 60-70 per
cent of the Ogaden.5 The OLF controlled large areas of the highlands. The first government offensive lasted several months, followed by a counter-attack by WSLF forces based in Somalia in March 1980, and stepped-up guerrilla action by the OLF. Ethiopian forces then mounted five
major attacks between May and July, which coincided with counter-attacks by a joint WSLF- Somali army force.

A new wave of refugees fled to Somalia. Some were interviewed

"I had sixty camels. The Ethiopians waited at the water point and machine-gunned my two eldest sons and all my camels. I brought my six young children out on two donkeys.

"The Ethiopians came twice to my farm in Sidamo, once with white men [i.e. Cubans]. They took stores of maize, pulled it from the field, beat everyone in the house. They have taken young men from us to fight in Eritrea. Nobody is left in my area.
In February there was bombing that made fires as far as the eye could see. My camels were burned and many people in our family. With two camels carrying our house I have walked since then ...."


The air force was deployed to attack villages, animal herds and fleeing refugees.


Reports indicate that napalm or phosphorous was used frequently. There were also several raids up to 20 miles inside Somalia.

The civilian casualties in the Ogaden alone during the year following the Somali defeat were estimated at 25,000.

Combined with the flight of several hundred thousand refugees to Somalia, this represented an attempt to break the WSLF resistance by brute force. Perhaps half of the Ogadeni population was in Somalia, and half of the remainder in Ethiopian camps and settlements. Ethiopian Diplomats talked of the depopulation of the Ogaden as the "final solution

PawParole has issued a correction as of 04:36 on Oct 26, 2023

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
dont worry those dancing troops will be dancing on the river styx if they set foot in gaza

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Raskolnikov38 posted:

well since germany wants to be israel's best buddy maybe they have some old stocks they can share with bibi

Israel literally gases the Palestinians.

Talking with liberals: "Okay, now do you see how this is like WWII?"

Their response: "That's right. Hamas is going to die in their bunker, just like Hitler"

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

this right here is why you dont nitpick and heehaw against people who are on your side on an issue even if you know hes an empty head piece of poo poo, sometimes a grifter is a reallt powerful weapon to have and love him or hate him Jackson is doing incredible work even though its for self-centered reasons

think of it as having your own rush limbaugh. you hate the man but cant argue against the numbers.

pancake rabbit
Feb 21, 2011




Tom Guycot posted:

Lmao, now this is pod racing conspiracy theory! WW3 because people in power just wanted to gently caress kids would be the right amount of absurdity.

it's making an uncomfortable amount of sense the more it rolls around in my brain

lol

lmao

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


you love to see it

Northwestern is going to get more heat for this than they did when it turned out their whole second rate athletic program was an abuse factory

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Al-Saqr posted:

this right here is why you dont nitpick and heehaw against people who are on your side on an issue even if you know hes an empty head piece of poo poo, sometimes a grifter is a reallt powerful weapon to have and love him or hate him Jackson is doing incredible work even though its for self-centered reasons

think of it as having your own rush limbaugh. you hate the man but cant argue against the numbers.
also iirc refusing help because it might be a little stinky was a common COINTELPRO method of putting leftists in disarray

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


how much is Hinkle's following outside the US?

text editor
Jan 8, 2007

hubris.height posted:

i fucvking forgot infected mushroom was israeli god drat, and the irony of the song picked

we are living in the loving most insane time, irony is dead

probably should be your first guess for any psy-trance artist

Elden Lord Godfrey
Mar 4, 2022

Tom Guycot posted:

Lmao, now this is pod racing conspiracy theory! WW3 because people in power just wanted to gently caress kids would be the right amount of absurdity.

I mean the Clinton Doctrine was that the West would intervene in genocides if any naught third world countries got it in their heads, and it immediately got derailed because Bill Clinton couldn't stop partying it up with Epstein.

Zadok Allen
Oct 9, 2023

Atrocious Joe posted:

how much is Hinkle's following outside the US?

Dunno, but he likes to casually punk Ben Shapiro.

Zadok Allen has issued a correction as of 02:56 on Oct 28, 2023

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Psytrance is such an embarrassing genre of music.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
relevant cross-post: never let it be said that Hamas has done nothing for the Palestinians

from Sara Roy's "Hamas and Civil Society in Gaza"

gradenko_2000 posted:

fact-check: Hamas has done more for its constituents than the Democrat Party





Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)


every day since oct 7

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:


every day since oct 7

dont worry that dog will be put down soon

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Al-Saqr posted:

this right here is why you dont nitpick and heehaw against people who are on your side on an issue even if you know hes an empty head piece of poo poo, sometimes a grifter is a reallt powerful weapon to have and love him or hate him Jackson is doing incredible work even though its for self-centered reasons

think of it as having your own rush limbaugh. you hate the man but cant argue against the numbers.

Yeah, I agree. It needs to be clear that this genocide is rejected by people across the world, regardless of their ideology, and this chud is doing that.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

I heard they decided to make a decision on the ground invasion.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I heard they decided to make a decision on the ground invasion.

been hearing about this "ground invasion" for a while ill believe it when i see it

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009
https://twitter.com/BadSocialisms/status/1717333457498739135

Yup, it's 2002 again!:w00t:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Zadok Allen
Oct 9, 2023

:patriot:

Zadok Allen has issued a correction as of 04:20 on Dec 23, 2023

Blarghalt
May 19, 2010

StashAugustine posted:

Talking to an Indian coworker who briefly opined the whole crisis was fundamentally the fault of the Britishers, which, fair enough

Blaming the British for the world's problem is like aiming a lawn dart at the ground

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

death to perfidious Albion

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020


not like the cool old days of 1991 when the joke was camel fuckers

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

come on man

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors




When did it go away?

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Hammerstein posted:

You think MacGregor was sent ahead to dip a toe into the brown sea of public opinion to test the waters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67V2uabPuZk

Here’s the full interview with Tucker Carlson. It’s interesting and worth listening to. MacGregor has a lot of sensible things to say about how the US army is insanely weak and over extended, and agrees with everybody in the thread that Israel invading Gaza is insane and will spark a massive regional war, and potentially a world war. He also does a good job at explaining why sanctions are useless and horrible. He also thinks collective punishment is appalling.

He also expresses extremely crackpot concerns about a secret Hezbollah army in Mexico that can wait to illegally charge through our borders and invade America and that there are secret Hezbollah sleeper agents waiting to activate all over the country. He also thanks Elon Musk for protecting are freedoms on Twitter, so keep that in mind too. As I said the guy is definitely a Trump Republican.

What is interesting though, is he explains in a roundabout way that Russia isn’t so much pissed off about Israel as it is that Neocons are using the Gaza invasion as a pretext to invade Iran. I’m not really familiar with the relationship between Russia and Iran, but it seems to have an alliance with them or is interested in an alliance with them. He’s also states that when Russia enters the war, so will Turkey.

I will say MacGregor does not sound like a crank when he’s talking about the Middle East. He also seems to have genuine respect for Iran’s military capabilities, and cautions against underestimating them in a war. He never calls the Israelis genocidal, but he says that once the IDF and Gaza enters the bombed out urban areas of Gaza, that they are going to be shooting at everyone and everything purely out of self preservation. He also states that he supports Israel, they clearly are morons that have to be protected from themselves.

Clip-On Fedora has issued a correction as of 07:16 on Oct 26, 2023

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c36cUYbDyig

mountainwalrus
Jan 23, 2020

some kinda jackal posted:

Someone at the pentagon frantically searching aliexpress for munitions

I’m currently staying with my in-laws who live in central PA near several enormous military depots (notably Letterkenny and Naval Support Activity)- last few days have seen a lot of military transports flying off which I’ve never seen before with regularity- wonder if the US really is emptying the lockers for Israel.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

mountainwalrus posted:

I’m currently staying with my in-laws who live in central PA near several enormous military depots (notably Letterkenny and Naval Support Activity)- last few days have seen a lot of military transports flying off which I’ve never seen before with regularity- wonder if the US really is emptying the lockers for Israel.

so what happens if some other global actor decides to spark a hotspot where the US has interests

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Tom Guycot posted:

When did it go away?

It never went COMPLETELY away, but boy oh boy, were there a lot of camel/goat fucker memes being passed around in that first Bush term.

TheLemonOfIchabod
Aug 26, 2008
what exactly does israel give to the us beside aipac money? i would like to think that was insufficient for such universal support of a genocide but

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

TheLemonOfIchabod posted:

what exactly does israel give to the us beside aipac money? i would like to think that was insufficient for such universal support of a genocide but

Loyal military/intelligence outpost in the Middle East throughout the Cold War, and then the GWOT. Now it's just ingrained in our extremely decrepit leaders that it must always be supported to the hilt.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
i feel like the third temple thing is kind of a fun meme, but i dunno how much truck it actually has

american culture and the population body are such dismal freaks, it's hard to believe they have a sincere christian belief in anything, let alone a legit second coming, idk

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holefoods
Jan 10, 2022


praying for all cats, elon won’t like this

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