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Morbus posted:The US invading Israel to prop up Jordan, and bolstering Turkey's role in the region, would legitimately be better for US geostrategic interests than anything involving zionists lmao That's kind of what I'm thinking.
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netanyahu is playing the blame game this early which means israel is loving cooked https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1717597623115555132?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg
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There's no coming back from this for Israel, is there? Their military has been exposed as poo poo, Iron Dome was a lie, the genocide is out of the bag, and all of their supposed American backing has amount to some loitering Marines. If the October 8th response had been to focus on damage control via PR and propaganda, they could have saved face maybe? But after this tantrum, nothing short of turning Hitler 2 over to the UN and an "UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT" sign is going to keep them from being a joke until it's no longer a nation.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:what I mean is us imperial interests in the Middle East would be much better served by either cutting Israel loose and focusing on investment in proxies on Egypt and Saudi Arabia/UAE, or at a minimum yanking on Israel’s choke chain and making them stop sabotaging US interests in the region. the fact that the US can apparently do neither means that there are other interests and forces at play here besides the cold logic of empire. it’s white supremacy, the missing puzzle piece is white supremacy
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moths posted:There's no coming back from this for Israel, is there? What allies are they losing or gaining to make you think there would be a change to the status quo when this is over?
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mcmagic posted:What allies are they losing or gaining to make you think there would be a change to the status quo when this is over? The pre-October 7th status quo for Israel is over. There's no going back to it.
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mcmagic posted:What allies are they losing or gaining to make you think there would be a change to the status quo when this is over? allies dont matter when hamas can do attacks that kill 1k israelis in a day and they're incapable of responding it to other than airstrikes and adding to the killcount by blindly firing at their own citizens
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like israel has already abandoned settlements along the border with lebanon, you think those settlers are going to go back without the myth of invincible idf defending them
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Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream?
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Morbus posted:The US invading Israel to prop up Jordan, and bolstering Turkey's role in the region, would legitimately be better for US geostrategic interests than anything involving zionists lmao Yeah I was thinking this too. Honestly if Turkey and the rest of the Arab states got together and said "offer us the current israel in a platter or else you wont get any support from us against iran" the US might actually do it Just a sign of how much Israel has shat the bed and the continued decline of the US ability to support the periphery vassals
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keep punching joe posted:Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream? lol. lmao.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:allies dont matter when hamas can do attacks that kill 1k israelis in a day and they're incapable of responding it to other than airstrikes and adding to the killcount by blindly firing at their own citizens it probably took 20 years for hamas to be into a situation where they could pull something like this off. not sure they will have the capeability to do something like oct 7th again for another 20. or have israel in a situation where their pants were pulled so far down.
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keep punching joe posted:Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream? sure, hamas
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Al-Saqr posted:netanyahu is playing the blame game this early which means israel is loving cooked Israel is completely hosed and Netanyahu is double mega hosed, but he's gonna go down kicking and thrashing as much as he possibly can.
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keep punching joe posted:Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream? Hamas
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:what I mean is us imperial interests in the Middle East would be much better served by either cutting Israel loose and focusing on investment in proxies on Egypt and Saudi Arabia/UAE, or at a minimum yanking on Israel’s choke chain and making them stop sabotaging US interests in the region. the fact that the US can apparently do neither means that there are other interests and forces at play here besides the cold logic of empire. The US doesn't actually want an Egypt that's strong enough to play the enforcer role, because that'd be an Egypt that might be strong enough to refuse orders. The utility of the Zionist entity, like apartheid South Africa before it, is that it doesn't have to be kept weak and divided, it can be allowed to develop, to be strong enough to project power, while still, by virtue of its racist colonial nature, being forever dependent on US imperialism. This is the same reason the Egyptian and presumably the Jordanian and Saudi militaries have the problems with initiative among middle and junior officers discussed earlier, if you had officer cadres that were ready to take initiative and institutional norms that allowed them to, you might risk a Nasser or a Gaddafi, and that's a whole lot scarier to the comprador ruling classes than the risk of losing a war.
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keep punching joe posted:Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream? the israeli left is about as significant as the american left atelier morgan posted:sure, hamas
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keep punching joe posted:Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream? The Army's whole job is babysitting literal colonies, and has been for 30 years. Some of them resent the poo poo out of the settlers, they got pretty rough with them when Sharon ordered the settlements in Gaza dismantled, but I don't think a positive, Carnation Revolution style, coup is in the cards.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like israel has already abandoned settlements along the border with lebanon, you think those settlers are going to go back without the myth of invincible idf defending them the main focus of the settlers has to be the west bank now
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mcmagic posted:it probably took 20 years for hamas to be into a situation where they could pull something like this off. not sure they will have the capeability to do something like oct 7th again for another 20. or have israel in a situation where their pants were pulled so far down. lol what used in the assault needs 20 years of prep time?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like israel has already abandoned settlements along the border with lebanon, you think those settlers are going to go back without the myth of invincible idf defending them they are going to go back with private armies of mercs.
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keep punching joe posted:Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream? its called hamas op
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mcmagic posted:they are going to go back with private armies of mercs. And get shot to poo poo by Hezbollah
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The United States of America 1776 till 2023.
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keep punching joe posted:Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream? What, you mean some large pro-Palestinian Israeli group ready to violently overthrow the govermant? Nothing like that exists here. Opposition to the occupation does exist in Israeli society but it's disorganized, *very* small, and has never done anything radical. There have been peaceful pro-Palestine protests, mass demonstrations where teenagers burn their drafts, but nothing even hinting at anyone wanting or trying to do a coup. In short - lol, no.
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Hatebag posted:what's the uk equivalent of burger posting? crumpet posting? posting from the distant past but there’s a good joke about “bangers” in here somewhere
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To those questioning why the US elite are so tied to Israel, you have to remember how senile, and genuinely stupid, these failsons are. I would be absolutely shocked if the majority of CNN anchors or congresspeople could name all of Israel's neighbours, how and when they became nuclear armed, or the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah. They're just bloodthirsty and desperate to be rich and maintain power and doing what everyone around them is doing
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keep punching joe posted:Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream? the Israeli left is not only extremely marginal, it's also divided so deeply on race lines that the Israeli communist party's publications are all in Arabic instead of Hebrew
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Pomeroy posted:The US doesn't actually want an Egypt that's strong enough to play the enforcer role, because that'd be an Egypt that might be strong enough to refuse orders. The utility of the Zionist entity, like apartheid South Africa before it, is that it doesn't have to be kept weak and divided, it can be allowed to develop, to be strong enough to project power, while still, by virtue of its racist colonial nature, being forever dependent on US imperialism. Iran can play the role of a strong regional counterbalance better than Israel ever could, with the added bonus of its cooperation being easier to secure by virtue of its being surrounded by enemies with a different language, culture, and religion. Only mild racism needed! It really cannot be overstated that the current geopolitical posture of the US in the ME is *not* the result of careful calculation, and indeed departs from just about every natural configuration you could come up with. We got where we are through blunders, accidents, short-sightedness, and, most importantly, sheer inertia and the growing inability of US leadership to make new decisions or consider changing contexts--even to secure its own interests or those of the ruling class.
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keep punching joe posted:Is there any credible anti colonialist opposition in Israel that could realistically carry out a coup, or is that just a magic pipe dream? Hamas 
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Al-Saqr posted:https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1717595086178197808?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg 
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mcmagic posted:they are going to go back with private armies of mercs. nobody is going to sign up for that poo poo lol
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sleep with the vicious posted:To those questioning why the US elite are so tied to Israel, you have to remember how senile, and genuinely stupid, these failsons are. I would be absolutely shocked if the majority of CNN anchors or congresspeople could name all of Israel's neighbours, how and when they became nuclear armed, or the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah. They're just bloodthirsty and desperate to be rich and maintain power and doing what everyone around them is doing There was a CNN article out when this all started talking about fatah, and hamas like they're the same entity. Just because both words are arabic lmfao.
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