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Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Anyone who doesn't give specific examples of the things they are outraged about is embarrassed about being outraged about those specific things

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the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Anyone who doesn't give specific examples of the things they are outraged about is embarrassed about being outraged about those specific things

It's a really bad attempt at a dogwhistle.
If they outright say what their specific examples are, they know they'll get (rightly) ratio'd to hell and back. It's literally just their version of "certain people."

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

the_steve posted:

It's a really bad attempt at a dogwhistle.
If they outright say what their specific examples are, they know they'll get (rightly) ratio'd to hell and back. It's literally just their version of "certain people."

"They're cancelling conservative political views?"
"Oh, they're getting cancelled for wanting lower taxes?"
"No."
"Canceled for wanting to cut spending?"
"No"
"Then what views are getting canceled?"
"Oh, you know the ones..."

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Okuteru posted:

Same reason why DragonBall is so popular with Black and Latino communities.

This has now wrapped around to being a right wing gotcha against representation in media.

:v: "It's important that people see representation in media so they can relate to the character better"
:smug: "Oh yeah? Plenty of black and Latino kids love Goku without needing him to be a person of color!" (would we consider Sayans poc? I'm not sure)

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Anyone who doesn't give specific examples of the things they are outraged about is embarrassed about being outraged about those specific things

Nah, they're pretty shameless about it these days and will just post right through it. If you press them about how TV commercials are "woke" they'll just point blank claim every single commercial depicts a biracial (black man+white woman of course) couple which is way more unrealistic to them since it's wildly disproportionate to the number of actual biracial couples in the US.

Devorum
Jul 30, 2005

Guavanaut posted:



Sir, this is a Sony.

It should be legal to punch people who say "I think with my brain, not my heart".

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Devorum posted:

It should be legal to punch people who say "I think with my brain, not my heart".

He who thinks with his brain has forgotten the face of his father.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
I like that he's going with "76% of the population isn't woke so the game doesn't appeal to them" rather than "20% of the population are right wing wackos who are offended by every little thing"

Crunch Buttsteak
Feb 26, 2007

You think reality is a circle of salt around my brain keeping witches out?

Panfilo posted:

Nah, they're pretty shameless about it these days and will just post right through it. If you press them about how TV commercials are "woke" they'll just point blank claim every single commercial depicts a biracial (black man+white woman of course) couple which is way more unrealistic to them since it's wildly disproportionate to the number of actual biracial couples in the US.

The people who say "you don't see white people in commercials anymore" are the same exact people saying that every show has a major trans character and commercials are "shoving the gay agenda down our throats". It's all demonstrably not true but that doesn't stop them in the least because it feels correct to them.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Crunch Buttsteak posted:

that doesn't stop them in the least because it feels correct to them.

But facts don't care about our feelings, don'tcha know.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Devorum posted:

It should be legal to punch people who say "I think with my brain, not my heart".

"I think with both, and they agree on whoopin' your centrist rear end."

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Crunch Buttsteak posted:

The people who say "you don't see white people in commercials anymore" are the same exact people saying that every show has a major trans character and commercials are "shoving the gay agenda down our throats". It's all demonstrably not true but that doesn't stop them in the least because it feels correct to them.

They never actually provide any examples either, which is annoying. And it makes me genuinely curious about the actual breakdown I'm sure some think tank out there has bothered to look it up.

Contrast this with how you can argue "nearly all mass shooters are white cis men" and they'll immediately post a collage of 30+ examples of poc/queer mass shooters.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Brawnfire posted:

"I think with both, and they agree on whoopin' your centrist rear end."

Psh, they're not even centrist. They're libertarian at best, they just say they're in the center because they think that spouting that "both sides are the same" crap gives them some sort of extra debate cred.

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021

Panfilo posted:

They never actually provide any examples either, which is annoying. And it makes me genuinely curious about the actual breakdown I'm sure some think tank out there has bothered to look it up.

Contrast this with how you can argue "nearly all mass shooters are white cis men" and they'll immediately post a collage of 30+ examples of poc/queer mass shooters.

It's straight up that study from a while ago (a few years, I think?) where white guys feel like they've been "outnumbered" when the group they're in hits a certain percentage of Not White Guys, and it's a small percentage. I think it was like 30%? (Google is being very unhelpful in finding this again, no surprise.) But basically as soon as the population of a group hits a relatively low threshold, the dominant group thinks they're suddenly outnumbered, and for many of them that includes feeling like they're being assailed somehow. Absolutely zero surprise that the same phenomenon happens on a low incidence of minority people appearing at all in any kind of mass media.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Medullah posted:

I like that he's going with "76% of the population isn't woke so the game doesn't appeal to them" rather than "20% of the population are right wing wackos who are offended by every little thing"
Also it's the world population, so (generously) assuming that the source isn't his rear end:
How does that look for the main market countries?
How does that look for the main player demographic in those countries?

Also why a slider from Pride flag to US flag? What's at 25 or 50 or 75% on that slider?*
And how does a Pride flag to US flag slider appeal to a right wing wacko in Argentina or Hungary?

*e: I assume he's the sort of 'centrist' where 50% is the US flag and it's like Nazi Flag, Confed Flag, US Flag, Canada Flag, Pride Flag, but if not that

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Oct 26, 2023

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Guavanaut posted:

Also it's the world population, so (generously) assuming that the source isn't his rear end:
How does that look for the main market countries?
How does that look for the main player demographic in those countries?

Also why a slider from Pride flag to US flag? What's at 25 or 50 or 75% on that slider?*
And how does a Pride flag to US flag slider appeal to a right wing wacko in Argentina or Hungary?

*e: I assume he's the sort of 'centrist' where 50% is the US flag and it's like Nazi Flag, Confed Flag, US Flag, Canada Flag, Pride Flag, but if not that

Far right: Nazi flag
Mid right: No flag
Center right: Pride flag but it's over an evil building
Centrist: Pride flag
Center left: Progress Flag
Mid left: Pink triangle
Far left: Hammer and Sickle flag, there is no minority, only the Worker

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Guavanaut posted:

Also it's the world population, so (generously) assuming that the source isn't his rear end:
How does that look for the main market countries?
How does that look for the main player demographic in those countries?

Also why a slider from Pride flag to US flag? What's at 25 or 50 or 75% on that slider?*
And how does a Pride flag to US flag slider appeal to a right wing wacko in Argentina or Hungary?

*e: I assume he's the sort of 'centrist' where 50% is the US flag and it's like Nazi Flag, Confed Flag, US Flag, Canada Flag, Pride Flag, but if not that

The slider goes from Pepe to Pride flag, simple. The center is Shrek and his wife Sonic's wedding portrait.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

disposablewords posted:

It's straight up that study from a while ago (a few years, I think?) where white guys feel like they've been "outnumbered" when the group they're in hits a certain percentage of Not White Guys, and it's a small percentage. I think it was like 30%? (Google is being very unhelpful in finding this again, no surprise.) But basically as soon as the population of a group hits a relatively low threshold, the dominant group thinks they're suddenly outnumbered, and for many of them that includes feeling like they're being assailed somehow. Absolutely zero surprise that the same phenomenon happens on a low incidence of minority people appearing at all in any kind of mass media.

Interesting, that makes sense! I'm betting the threshold is the point you'll accidentally see the offending demographic by accident. So simple math, you see ten commercials over an hour, 30% have nontraditional couples thus you've seen three instances of non white/straight couples.

Confirmation bias dictates that if there's something you find distasteful and worry about it's frequency, you're going to notice examples a whole lot more frequently and go out of your way to find them in a manner inconsistent with passive TV viewing. So this and your theory suggest they don't like seeing biracial couples on TV, start watching for them (actively encouraged by other reactionaries on social media) and start jumping at shadows when they suddenly notice they are 'everywhere'.

Honestly the only commercial I remember with a biracial couple off the top of my head was a cheerios commercial, and I probably would not have even twigged that there was a biracial couple if it didn't cause such an over the top tantrum from reactionaries (almost as bad as when they realized Zipper was coded as Black in the recent Rescue Rangers film)

Another bizarre anecdote I've heard about racists like these are that they are really, really into biracial porn which is pretty :psyduck:to me, I mean wouldn't they hate that stuff? I remember reading a reddit post (that we'll take at face value here, don't pop my bubble) about a Redditor finding his racist dad's porn stash and it was all huge black dudes railing little twink white guys which was pretty ironic. So maybe they hate these biracial commercials because they get weirdly aroused by it which makes them feel angry and ashamed?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I remember there was an advertising trend for a while here for showing a bunch of different families enjoying the same breakfast cereal or sauce or whatever as a fast montage, and the easiest way to both increase diversity and signal to a larger audience but also make it clear that hey look at all these different families all enjoying Brand to an audience barely paying attention was to make them obviously different ethnicities or cultures or numbers of kids or whatever.

And of course assholes would count that as a gay black commercial even if if that was well under half of the number of featured families.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

disposablewords posted:

It's straight up that study from a while ago (a few years, I think?) where white guys feel like they've been "outnumbered" when the group they're in hits a certain percentage of Not White Guys, and it's a small percentage. I think it was like 30%? (Google is being very unhelpful in finding this again, no surprise.) But basically as soon as the population of a group hits a relatively low threshold, the dominant group thinks they're suddenly outnumbered, and for many of them that includes feeling like they're being assailed somehow. Absolutely zero surprise that the same phenomenon happens on a low incidence of minority people appearing at all in any kind of mass media.

This also happens with women in workplace meetings. Women speaking 20-30% of the time is reported by male colleagues as the women "dominating" the conversation.

The Islamic Shock
Apr 8, 2021

InsertPotPun posted:

i love that he doesn't give an example of the "wokeness" and i bet he'd get reeeeeeeeal roundabout if you asked.

imagine saying you're a huge fan of spider-man but also being against inclusion.
when miles morales premiered i heard a racist guy saying he couldn't stand the political correctness (pre-"woke" term) and i ended up telling him that i'mmore than happy to share spider-man with every person in the hopes that they'll all be a little bit more like that. i even ended the rant with "and spider-man would agree with me" because i'm a gigantic dork

seriously the entire history of comic books is a power fantasy for minorities and misfits and time has only tamped them down so you can't even say you prefer the original. the first superman newspaper comic had him literally thretening to destroy a bank unless they loan a poor farmer money.

missing the entire point of comic books for 40 loving years and still thinking you're the good guy. "hey international symbol of goodness and peace: help me beat up this gay kid!"


Edit at below: I discovered some fun poo poo I'm into with a black sub chick much earlier in my life and not once did it occur to me to fetishize that racially

The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Oct 26, 2023

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Panfilo posted:

Another bizarre anecdote I've heard about racists like these are that they are really, really into biracial porn which is pretty :psyduck:to me, I mean wouldn't they hate that stuff? I remember reading a reddit post (that we'll take at face value here, don't pop my bubble) about a Redditor finding his racist dad's porn stash and it was all huge black dudes railing little twink white guys which was pretty ironic. So maybe they hate these biracial commercials because they get weirdly aroused by it which makes them feel angry and ashamed?

Two different approaches to get there:

Some people will fetishize the forbidden and/unobtainable.
Some people enjoy the, in their mind, power imbalance of social status these pairings create. This goes in both directions and feeds into different fetishes depending on relationship dynamics.

Racists are some people.

QED.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
???

quote:

Gandhi was programmed to exhibit this behavior in Civilization V, released in 2010, and it is unclear whether this led to the belief that the behavior had also been present in earlier games.
The meme is older than I thought I guess because I was introduced to it in the 2010s

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT
Nuclear Gandhi was already a meme by the time of Civilization 2, I thought. I know he was programmed to get pretty belligerent once nukes arrived in Civ4

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Tarezax posted:

Nuclear Gandhi was already a meme by the time of Civilization 2, I thought. I know he was programmed to get pretty belligerent once nukes arrived in Civ4

It's been around since at least some point in the mid to late 90s but my memory can't get more specific than that.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
The thread has become self aware and we have reached the singularity

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Tarezax posted:

Nuclear Gandhi was already a meme by the time of Civilization 2, I thought. I know he was programmed to get pretty belligerent once nukes arrived in Civ4

It's as old as "the Romans are revolting!" jokes. Very early.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Panfilo posted:

This has now wrapped around to being a right wing gotcha against representation in media.

:v: "It's important that people see representation in media so they can relate to the character better"
:smug: "Oh yeah? Plenty of black and Latino kids love Goku without needing him to be a person of color!" (would we consider Sayans poc? I'm not sure)

Frieza genocides nearly the entire race and calls them Monkeys.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Panfilo posted:

This has now wrapped around to being a right wing gotcha against representation in media.

:v: "It's important that people see representation in media so they can relate to the character better"
:smug: "Oh yeah? Plenty of black and Latino kids love Goku without needing him to be a person of color!" (would we consider Sayans poc? I'm not sure)

From what I've seen the running joke with black DBZ fandom is that Piccolo is the black guy of the show, but I don't know how Saiyans fit in.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Oh sure, let's all use 'cash' minted by the central bank controlled by the government. Okay sheeple :rolleyes:

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

The GOVERNMENT doesn't want you tipping waitresses at a restaurant.

There is something to be said for huge amounts of things nowadays not being able to be resold due to be on digital markets, but the above is dumb.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I don't like Al Gore telling me how many small pieces of gold I cut off of a larger piece of gold that I carry around at all times a loaf of bread should cost!

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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College Slice

Have they never paid for a meal with a credit card? Why on earth do they think tipping wouldn't be possible?

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Dienes posted:

Have they never paid for a meal with a credit card? Why on earth do they think tipping wouldn't be possible?

BECAUSE*THEY* ARE FORCING IT ON US YOU SHEEPLE

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Guavanaut posted:

I don't like Al Gore telling me how many small pieces of gold I cut off of a larger piece of gold that I carry around at all times a loaf of bread should cost!

Pieces of Eight were good enough for :yarr: and they're good enough for me!

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Dienes posted:

Have they never paid for a meal with a credit card? Why on earth do they think tipping wouldn't be possible?

They don’t tip anyway, you know it in your heart.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
joke's on them, I already didn't give to busking musicians

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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I thought busking musicians wanted kisses

Maybe I misheard

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Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
It's all 'tinfoil' about "social credit scores" and how the government can ruin you by deleting all your Apes or Slurp Juices or whatever the digital monopoly money is called.

They like to use the Trucker Convoy in Canada as an example, as I guess some of them had assets frozen so it got everyone all paranoid about getting canceled for wrongthink. You'll note these types of folks never bring up the actual existent issues of a cashless society (weed dispensaries in the US unable to use the banking system effectively, and sex workers being overly reliant on the mercy of credit card processors).

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