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Klyith posted:It's computationally harder to splice ads into the HSL (or DASH) stream than it is to just serve the ads and then the video like youtube does now. Not very hard, but at youtube scale even a small amount of computation matters. You're right on the first part, but whether you're right on the second is harder to figure out. Google-scale compute is weird and I don't think I'd be as certain about the inability as you are, especially with a sufficiently clever edge implementation. Klyith posted:Random ad segments anywhere in the video is a loving unwatchable experience. Great upsell for Premium, then!
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Blurb3947 posted:Isn't NoScript redundant because uBlock does a similar thing? They have different levels of fine control that can be useful for different things.
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Oct 27, 2023 01:42
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I thought I could live with watching YouTube with ads but it’s such a painful experience I gave in and bought premium. Can’t be bothered loving around with different adblockers every time YouTube cracks down on one or the other.
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Oct 27, 2023 01:44
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Seams posted:I thought I could live with watching YouTube with ads but it’s such a painful experience I gave in and bought premium. Can’t be bothered loving around with different adblockers every time YouTube cracks down on one or the other. Yeah same here, I watch a lot of youtube on my Chromecast so not really feasible. At least I got the family plan and split it with a few friends and my parents.
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Oct 27, 2023 02:15
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.... AAAAANNNNNDDDD now Youtube is back to showing me "Disable Adblocker, You Hurt Our Feelings". uBlock still squashing it though after an update.
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Oct 27, 2023 02:57
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:.... AAAAANNNNNDDDD now Youtube is back to showing me "Disable Adblocker, You Hurt Our Feelings". Just this evening Firefox with UBlock got the pop-up telling me to disable or buy. However Opera plays youtube just fine. Maybe one updated and the other didn't?
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Oct 27, 2023 06:59
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https://drhyperion451.github.io/does-uBO-bypass-yt/ Youtube update twice a day or so. Clear your fillets and try again and it should normally work. The code has changed even since I looked last night.
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Oct 27, 2023 08:09
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I was briefly using this for a while, but I turned it off and turned back on uBlock. https://github.com/TheRealJoelmatic/RemoveAdblockThing Is this thing safe though? Did I gently caress myself over like an idiot?
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Oct 27, 2023 08:13
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Seams posted:I thought I could live with watching YouTube with ads but it’s such a painful experience I gave in and bought premium. Can’t be bothered loving around with different adblockers every time YouTube cracks down on one or the other. gently caress that. As long as uBlock works, I'll happily take the 5 seconds and update it before I fire up youtube. e: And if it eventually doesn't work and need a fix of edu-tainment stuff, I'll probably subscribe to Nebula or something. At least that way the creator is directly sponsored and it's not going to finance the social virus that is Google/Alphabet with the creators catering to the algorithm. slidebite fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Oct 27, 2023 |
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Oct 27, 2023 14:29
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It doesn't work because I watch YouTube in a lot more places than just my computer
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Oct 27, 2023 14:39
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Tiny Timbs posted:It doesn't work because I watch YouTube in a lot more places than just my computer There are plenty of alternate apps for just about every platform that can still skip ads and utilize sponsor block. Might lose out on casting ability of logging into your account but those were worth the sacrifice.
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Oct 27, 2023 14:54
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Blurb3947 posted:There are plenty of alternate apps for just about every platform that can still skip ads and utilize sponsor block. Might lose out on casting ability of logging into your account but those were worth the sacrifice. Yeah I've tried them and they've been really rough. I think the last popular one I sideloaded onto my streaming device introduced a ton of hitching and stuttering into 4k videos.
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Oct 27, 2023 15:02
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Blurb3947 posted:There are plenty of alternate apps for just about every platform that can still skip ads and utilize sponsor block. Might lose out on casting ability of logging into your account but those were worth the sacrifice. I present you with an Apple TV, and or other Smart TV, let me know when you figure out how that works for us  Some people really just don't consume YouTube on their computers.
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Oct 27, 2023 15:03
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I have YouTube premium so don't have this problem, but would setting the DNS on your phone to Dns.adguard.com Work?
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Rawrbomb posted:I present you with an Apple TV, and or other Smart TV, let me know when you figure out how that works for us https://github.com/yattee/yattee I tossed my old Chromecast and got a $20 Onn branded Walmart android box which was pretty painless to set up and even works great for casting from other devices.
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Oct 27, 2023 15:10
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Harminoff posted:I have YouTube premium so don't have this problem, but would setting the DNS on your phone to Youtube serves ads and videos from the same IP addresses so DNS blocking doesn't work iirc.
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Oct 27, 2023 15:22
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apatheticman posted:Youtube serves ads and videos from the same IP addresses so DNS blocking doesn't work iirc. And then there is dns-over-https which can sidestep that stuff entirely, iirc.
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Oct 27, 2023 15:31
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Kibner posted:And then there is dns-over-https which can sidestep that stuff entirely, iirc. It doesn't sidestep it -- if your DNS queries are going to a DNS-over-https server that blocks ad domains, that works just fine. DOH doesn't take away control over where your DNS queries go. The problems are: 1. standard PiHole solution doesn't do DOH out of the box, and needs some mildly technical setup to do so. 2. Firefox since 2020 has been using an internal DNS lookup rather than the OS provided one, using DOH to cloudflare. You need to change a setting* in the browser, or block a canary domain on your main system DNS, for firefox to use the DNS settings of the OS. *Privacy & Security -> HTTPS-Only Mode -> Off
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Oct 27, 2023 15:48
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Klyith posted:It doesn't sidestep it -- if your DNS queries are going to a DNS-over-https server that blocks ad domains, that works just fine. DOH doesn't take away control over where your DNS queries go. If the app hardcodes its own DOH it sure does.
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Oct 27, 2023 15:59
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Youtube premium is a good service but it feels expensive. Youtube music is included so it makes it easier to justify. There's nothing wrong with paying youtube for a valuable product and the streamers get a good chunk of change from premium viewers. Youtube has the best revenue share compared to any other UGC video site.
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Oct 27, 2023 16:10
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I've been using YouTube Premium for a while because I watch it a lot on iPad and I gave up trying to block ads there a long time ago. I get far more value out of it than any other streaming service like Netflix so whatever, I'll cancel those before I cancel YouTube. I wish it had private sessions like Spotify does though for watching videos without affecting my recommendations.
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Oct 27, 2023 16:17
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pulling this at a time where it seems all subscriptions are going up in price also makes it an even more bitter pill to swallow, but maybe netflix's latest moves emboldened them
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Oct 27, 2023 16:17
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Every streaming service is trying to extract more value out of customers since it seems the era of 'losing money in exchange for user aquisition' is over and it's a shock to our systems.
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Oct 27, 2023 16:24
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It's really awful because although YouTube is worth enough to me that I pay for it, making adblocking difficult for folks who can't/won't pay is going to increase the spread of malware. Like if I wasn't paying, it's not a big deal for me to follow the latest technical updates or explore third-party DNS or run a Pi-hole or self-hosted VPN options for our mobile phones.. But any normal user who has an adblocking tool because the computer toucher in their family convinced them to install it is just gonna loving remove it completely. No regular person is going to have time for allowlisting a site, which means they are going to see ads everywhere, which means malware.
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EngineerJoe posted:Youtube premium is a good service but it feels expensive. Youtube music is included so it makes it easier to justify. There's nothing wrong with paying youtube for a valuable product and the streamers get a good chunk of change from premium viewers. Youtube has the best revenue share compared to any other UGC video site. Best doesn't mean enough. Google takes too much and does not give enough back. It's true for everything and it will get even worse as time goes on because that's how this works.
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Snackmar posted:No regular person is going to have time for allowlisting a site, which means they are going to see ads everywhere, which means malware. I can easily believe it. A site I'm involved with gets a good spread of users of all ages and tech ability and we've to watch the poo poo Google runs like a hawk because we'll inevitably get someone claiming our site signed them up to some video streaming they didn't want. We'll track it back to some obnoxiously large button saying "Register Here!" that users assume is part of our site even as it sits in a frame marked "Advertisment" and whisks them away to an obviously completely different website.
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Volte posted:I wish it had private sessions like Spotify does though for watching videos without affecting my recommendations. You can delete specific videos from your youtube watch history, it'll be like you never watched them. It's what I do every time the star citizen thread sends me to a true believer video.
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The ability to delete watch history is maybe YouTube’s best feature and let’s you keep the Al Gore Rhythm at bay
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Blurb3947 posted:Isn't NoScript redundant because uBlock does a similar thing?
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I just let the ads start then hit skip ad  Whatever money youtube makes off the ads is worth far more than the hours of free entertainment the videos they host have given me. It's like a more-convenient public access channel.
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Randalor posted:I just let the ads start then hit skip ad
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:You're the product, because they make money off of selling ads using data about you. Which data?
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Randalor posted:Which data?
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:As much as they can possibly harvest. Right, but what kind of data? And how would an ad blocker or subscribing to them change that data?
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Randalor posted:Right, but what kind of data? And how would an ad blocker or subscribing to them change that data?
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Do a checkout and find out. Riiiiight, so I'm going to assume you don't actually know then and are just fearmongering.
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Randalor posted:Right, but what kind of data? And how would an ad blocker or subscribing to them change that data? Subscribing wouldn't do much except keep ads from coming up, which likely just means companies don't make money off of it because the service isn't being subsidized for that user. Google will collect almost anything they can and make inferences based off of a lot of poo poo like your location, interests, services activity, IP address, etc. An ad blocker will usually stop things like tracking cookies, domains from connecting, web scripts from running, among other things.
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They're still tracking what you click on and how much you watch. I mean there's nothing you can block that keeps the server that's serving the videos from recording that data
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Volte posted:I've been using YouTube Premium for a while because I watch it a lot on iPad and I gave up trying to block ads there a long time ago. I get far more value out of it than any other streaming service like Netflix so whatever, I'll cancel those before I cancel YouTube. I wish it had private sessions like Spotify does though for watching videos without affecting my recommendations.
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Blurb3947 posted:Subscribing wouldn't do much except keep ads from coming up, which likely just means companies don't make money off of it because the service isn't being subsidized for that user. So basically, the poo poo that Google already knows because I already told them a lot of that stuff when I signed up (or they just check where my IP is from)?
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