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Cleretic posted:A particular subtype of 'little thing' that I love and doesn't really exist anymore are the ways that older games cheated to depict something that should physically happen, but wasn't technically possible. I didn't realize this one until I saw a tweet about it. I always loved the PS2-era "reflections" where they just duplicated the map and models under an opacity layer.
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Necrothatcher posted:I always loved the PS2-era "reflections" where they just duplicated the map and models under an opacity layer. Oh that's much older and dates back into the PS1 and N64 era. Nevermind some PC games doing it as well. It's a favourite of mine too though. 
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Oct 25, 2023 10:39
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Oh that's much older and dates back into the PS1 and N64 era. Nevermind some PC games doing it as well. I want to say there were even some Super Nintendo and Genesis games that did that with clever sprite work and layers.
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Oct 25, 2023 12:08
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Witness Bio-Force Ape. An unreleased NES game because the publisher thought a title where you play a diaper-wearing ape-man who wrestles his foes was too weird. Boasts the fastest-scrolling and smoothest animations on the system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmSgbhAxZ_k
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Cleretic posted:A particular subtype of 'little thing' that I love and doesn't really exist anymore are the ways that older games cheated to depict something that should physically happen, but wasn't technically possible. I didn't realize this one until I saw a tweet about it. It's missing this very important part. https://twitter.com/othatsraspberry/status/1717090422454174157
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Oct 25, 2023 13:46
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Necrothatcher posted:I always loved the PS2-era "reflections" where they just duplicated the map and models under an opacity layer. That's what all games are doing if they aren't using ray tracing. In DOS era or today.
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Oct 25, 2023 14:05
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Vic posted:That's what all games are doing if they aren't using ray tracing. In DOS era or today. I haven't seen a mirror do that in a game in ages. If they're not showing off raytracing bathroom mirrors are usually 'dirty' and non-reflective.
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Oct 25, 2023 14:18
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Cleretic posted:A particular subtype of 'little thing' that I love and doesn't really exist anymore are the ways that older games cheated to depict something that should physically happen, but wasn't technically possible. I didn't realize this one until I saw a tweet about it. oh so it's your fault
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Vic posted:That's what all games are doing if they aren't using ray tracing. In DOS era or today. Necrothatcher posted:I haven't seen a mirror do that in a game in ages. If they're not showing off raytracing bathroom mirrors are usually 'dirty' and non-reflective. There's an alignment chart meme of 'ways game developers cheat at mirrors', and I'm pretty sure I've seen all of these. Some have definitely gone in and out of style over time, or at least found ways to obscure themselves.  I think I saw the double-render, 'window into another bathroom', shattered mirror and low-res cubemap all in different N64 games. (EDIT: And I feel like the mirror room in Mario 64 specifically might've inadvertently primed us all to recognize these tricks, I'm pretty sure that was the first time I ever saw a game do a mirror and it was already loving with me.) Cleretic has a new favorite as of 14:34 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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I've been playing through the expansion story lines in Elder Scrolls Online, and my main character is an Altmer/high elf. The Altmer come from a notoriously snooty, even chauvinist culture, and it's darkly funny that other high elves will take a moment to figuratively lean in to my character and say something like "oh, a fellow high elf, of course you agree with me..." before launching into a discussion about the dirty lizard folk or whatever. It's realistic! 
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Mario 64 is a really fun case with how much of it is basically 3D tricks for the sake of it, and gets away with it because it's very clearly reinventing a genre from the ground up.Morpheus posted:It's missing this very important part. That's a funny one but also, well, not hard to figure out what the metaphor is huh?
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Oct 25, 2023 16:31
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Cleretic posted:There's an alignment chart meme of 'ways game developers cheat at mirrors', and I'm pretty sure I've seen all of these. Some have definitely gone in and out of style over time, or at least found ways to obscure themselves. I remember watching a GDC video on why large amounts of AAA devs don't bother with mirrors. Racing games you go by too fast. FPS games it's because animations look goofy/wrong and usually it's not worth making a new set just for that.
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Vic posted:That's what all games are doing if they aren't using ray tracing. In DOS era or today. Cubemaps and scene probes are pretty common too, render a second view of the scene and use that as the reflection texture. Which is, weirdly enough, how they did reflections in the first Toy Story, because they didn’t have a ray tracer.
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Cyberpunk uses the method of techno-mirrors, which are fogged-over until you interact with them
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Oct 25, 2023 19:33
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In RE7 the mirrors are all this nice matte black that reflects light but not environments, so there's no clutter but still very pretty refractions from your flashlight everywhere. It's a surprisingly immersive cheat.
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Oct 25, 2023 20:24
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Can't let the audience see Ethan Winter's face
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Oct 25, 2023 20:24
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They are so dedicated to hiding Ethan's face that the one time you see him from third person, people's arms and bodies are in the way to prevent you from seeing above his nose like he's a mystery informant in The Naked Gun
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Oct 25, 2023 20:26
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Ethan looks like his Starbucks order has 11 steps.
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Oct 25, 2023 20:40
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I forgot about that. I wondered how they were gonna handle Ethan's face when they added the third-person view for RE8. https://i.imgur.com/DENsB5T.mp4 Turns out he's still just a little ol' shyboy if you try and get too close in with the camera 
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Cleretic posted:A particular subtype of 'little thing' that I love and doesn't really exist anymore are the ways that older games cheated to depict something that should physically happen, but wasn't technically possible. I didn't realize this one until I saw a tweet about it. I'm a huge fan of Vagrant Story on the PS1 faking character lighting by just duplicating the models, making them bright and offsetting them to look like they were actually being lit https://twitter.com/Dreamboum/status/1226610299521970176?t=F_BD1pDiV3Uz0cNWAUT6Bg&s=19 Lots of other cool stuff in that thread as well
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Vagrant story generally has tons of cool art poo poo, especially for the era. Too bad the game itself was boring as gently caress
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isn't it like basically reimplemented as parasite eve though?
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Whenever I hear vagrant story I think of valkyrie profile, I’m just now realizing for decades I’ve forgotten vagrant story was a game.
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Captain Hygiene posted:I forgot about that. I wondered how they were gonna handle Ethan's face when they added the third-person view for RE8. Ethan is a couple months away from having a mullet, which honestly would've been the best plot twist/reveal RE8 could've done. Imagine putting the last shotgun round into Heisenberg's face, after all the spectacle/badass action-movie-hero moments that go with that fight, only to realize that Ethan's had a mullet this whole time and suddenly everything makes perfect sense. Why does this man have enough firepower for a whole S.T.A.R.S squad? Why is he so quick to rush headfirst into certain death? Why does he always manage to not only survive, but come out stronger on the other side? Is it mycelium? No! He's got a mullet!
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Alone In the Dark: New Nightmare for the PS1 had a working flashlight (that would reveal a lit up double of the map where the flashlight beam hit the environment).
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Quorum posted:I've been playing through the expansion story lines in Elder Scrolls Online, and my main character is an Altmer/high elf. The Altmer come from a notoriously snooty, even chauvinist culture, and it's darkly funny that other high elves will take a moment to figuratively lean in to my character and say something like "oh, a fellow high elf, of course you agree with me..." before launching into a discussion about the dirty lizard folk or whatever. It's realistic! Currently playing Morrowind and counting down the minutes until I can go apeshit and start murdering slavers and freeing slaves en masse. Something I've been primed for ever since playing through ESO. On a related note, I finally got the speech about how the Telvanni explicitly build their towers with no stairs to keep out the riff raff. Little do they realize, they are not protected. 
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fwiw Ethan having no face attached comes back around in a terrifying way in Village's DLC so I like it a lot now. The enemies are named Face Eaters and they live up to it. The command grab has them sucking Rose's face away into shadow and nothingness just like his. It's a metaphor for how she never got to know him. It's also way scarier than gore would have been!  edit: Also Ethan is the best RE character since Sheva Alomar, no question. Now where is she Capcom? CJacobs has a new favorite as of 03:51 on Oct 26, 2023 |
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CJacobs posted:edit: Also Ethan is the best RE character since Sheva Alomar, no question. Now where is she Capcom? She is hanging out Billy Coen
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God of War 3: Kratos has kept the artifacts which he has found during God of War 2.
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I love that the guy from the first five seconds of Morrowind - Mr. "wake up, we're here" - goes on to be canonized as a saint. What for? Exterminating every last cliff racer on Vvardenfell. I think of him every time I kill half a dozen on the way to wherever I'm going.
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John Murdoch posted:I love that the guy from the first five seconds of Morrowind - Mr. "wake up, we're here" - goes on to be canonized as a saint. What for? Exterminating every last cliff racer on Vvardenfell. 
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Not the Messiah posted:I'm a huge fan of Vagrant Story on the PS1 faking character lighting by just duplicating the models, making them bright and offsetting them to look like they were actually being lit I think that's also how Okami did the brush-stroke outlines on everything, make a duplicate model in all-black.
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YggiDee posted:I think that's also how Okami did the brush-stroke outlines on everything, make a duplicate model in all-black. It's a surprisingly workable approach, too. I just learned today that it's also how the fifth generation of Pokemon did outlines for storage management; slightly offset, all-red version of the sprite. It's pretty obvious with a glitch that renders the actual Pokemon sprites invisible, but the 'outline' sprite still there.
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I'm playing through Paper Mario: The Origami King right now, and there's an amazing intersection of this game's mechanics with my controller. I have an 8bitdo bluetooth controller that's basically a Switch Pro controller, and it's got these hair-trigger L2/R2 (or ZL/ZR) buttons. It'd be a nightmare if I was playing a Souls game, any time I set the controller down I would have to face my character towards a wall and away from any NPCs, or else run the risk of slamming an R2 Zweihander slam into a vendor that sells an important consumable/has an important questline But L2/R2 in The Origami King activates the Confetti ability, where you lunch a ton of confetti out like a Party Popper, in order to patch over holes in the ground/environment. So every time I pick up my controller, even if I don't feel like I'm pressing the buttons down at all, Mario launches a fuckload of confetti into the air and does a little spin
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There's a cute little moment between V and Johnny in the new cyberpunk dlc, V is assigned to find an agent and the only way to call him is through a landline. While V is perplexed on how to use the phone Jonny gestures to V to put it against their ear.
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TontoCorazon posted:There's a cute little moment between V and Johnny in the new cyberpunk dlc, V is assigned to find an agent and the only way to call him is through a landline. While V is perplexed on how to use the phone Jonny gestures to V to put it against their ear. With a little smirk too, it's great
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