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Jesus III posted:Trump drinks their milkshake I mean, it brought all the proud boys to the yard...
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DTurtle posted:I vaguely recall that so far Trump is sucking up a lot of funds from others and is spending it on lawyers. So overall fundraising looks good for Republicans, but effectiveness is terrible. If I remember correctly, the main issue is that he refuses to share money in the manner that every other candidate does. Which causes normal funding avenues that would spread the money like the Mississippi instead dry up like the Colorado. Like, a joint fundraiser or public appearance to show support/endorse a candidate would normally either split the funds or have them go to the candidate being boosted. The goal of course being to get political favors and put people who could help your agenda in power. Similarly campaigns with large and unused stockpiles of cash usually spread that money around to try and help other candidates. Trump instead insists that the vast majority of the money goes to him for appearances. Donny drops in for a joint stop on the trail with a candidate for Congress? 60-90% of the money raised there goes to him, and he's not going to plug anyone's donation streams other than his. If I remember correctly, he held a fundraising dinner for Giulianni's legal defense, and the fine print stated that 90% of the proceeds would go to Trump's fund. Despite the mob mentality that he must always get his beak wet, his cult personality makes it so most candidates don't have a choice because their 10% off a Trump appearance is still worth more than 100% of their lone appearances. He's also changed all the traditional funding that goes to the RNC to instead flow directly to him whenever possible. If it weren't for the whims of the unhinged billionaire libertarians who are propping up their own dark money funded candidates, Trump's parasitic money draining probably would have turned Republican coffers into voids that astronomers could study by 2020. The main affect of Trump's legal money whirlpool is that he's not even using the money he's taking in to broadcast how great Candidate Trump is. Which means that the small utility of riding Trump's coat tails or at least showing up in his ads is gone. Without even that minimal support, candidates are caught in a spiral of diminishing returns where nobody's heard of them so they aren't getting money, so they can't pay for people to hear about them.
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dr_rat posted:With how powerless -unless it's a Bush case where they specifically give them power- would this effect anything other than having the tie vote in the senate and possibly being sorta funny.
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SpeakSlow posted:I mean, it brought all the proud boys to the yard... 
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Justice in Flordia (Mar A Lago docs) isn't thrilled with Kise's PR-by-filing strategy. This goes back to some of the volume/electronic discovery discussions upthread Kise: quote:On October 17, 2023, the Special Counsel’s Office caused approximately 2,487 pages of documents and four discs to be delivered to President Trump’s counsel, for the first time, at a secure facility in this District. As explained in detail in the classified supplement, the Office possessed most of these materials before it brought this case. There is no apparent reason why many of these materials could not have been produced sooner, as the Office agreed to do in filings and hearings before the Court between June and September 2023. Even if we set aside the hours of interview recordings included in these productions, the Office omits from its “supplemental response” that the four discs contained more than three gigabytes of data relating to six facilities, approximately 13,584 additional pages, and approximately 546 photographs. Thus, it is misleading for the Office to contend that its classified productions have consisted of “5,431 pages of classified discovery plus four discs.” Justice, with strong "per my last email" energy: quote:First, defendant Trump alleges that the Government’s discovery productions have been “late,” and specifically alleges in his classified supplement that the Government’s third production of classified discovery was untimely. The allegations are wrong. As set forth in prior filings, the Government’s discovery productions have been prompt, fulsome, and transparently made. quote:In fact, the only deadline for classified discovery set forth in the Court’s scheduling order was for the first production, with which the Government complied.2 And the largest set of documents in the most recent classified production—a set of about 1,400 pages of emails described in defendant Trump’s classified supplement—consists mostly of Jencks material, which this Court has indicated is not due until closer to trial. Specificity about Kise's whining above quote:To begin, defendant Trump alleges that one of the discs included 13,584 “additional” pages of discovery. That is wrong—all but 15 pages of this 13,584-page set of materials had already been produced in unclassified discovery; and the reason the entire set of materials including the previously produced unclassified pages—was provided together in classified discovery is that the defense asked that it be done that way. The 13,584 pages consist of multiple copies of documents from a box of scheduling materials from Trump’s presidency stored at Mar-a-Lago and elsewhere in West Palm Beach. During the investigation of this case, the Government obtained duplicate copies of the box’s contents—including from the box itself, as well as from a laptop and a cloud storage account to which an aide to defendant Trump had scanned copies—totaling the 13,584 pages, only 4,242 of which are unique. Fifteen of the pages were classified. On June 21, the Government produced to defendant Trump the unclassified digitized contents of the box, containing all but the 15 classified pages of the total of 4,242 unique pages. During a meet-and-confer on September 20, the defense indicated that rather than receiving productions of only the classified pages extracted from electronic devices, separated from the digitized unclassified material already provided in unclassified discovery, they wanted to receive any classified pages from electronic media together with surrounding contents so that it could ascertain where the pages had been stored. The Government accommodated the defense’s request when possible. Defendant Trump should not now be heard to complain about the resulting volume.
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Trump filed a motion with Chutkan to provide notice that he intends to use Classified information that what he did on Jan 06 was totally fine: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.121.0.pdf quote:The Indictment in this case adopts classified assessments by the Intelligence Community He's going to use the Mueller report and the Senate finding that Russia interfered with the 2016 elections as PROOF that the IC community was out to get him or something? Anyway, seems like (eventually) we will actually get his claims in writing so they can be refuted. I'm half expecting a Sydney Powell-esque, "Trump is innocent so therefore you have evidence of his innocence so hand it over!" discovery request.
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Paracaidas posted:Justice in Flordia (Mar A Lago docs) isn't thrilled with Kise's PR-by-filing strategy. This goes back to some of the volume/electronic discovery discussions upthread I forget, is the Classified Docs case the only one where he's used the "But there's so much evidence of my crimes, it's not fair that the Prosecution keeps dumping it on me!" defense in motions to delay? Because it's hilarious that he's done it multiple times.
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Murgos posted:Trump filed a motion with Chutkan to provide notice that he intends to use Classified information that what he did on Jan 06 was totally fine: Unredacted Mueller Report in discovery, start the clock
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Would be rich if it was something that Trump classified to protect himself and Biden admin looks it over and just declassifies it.
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Oct 27, 2023 22:29
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Looking forward to them citing a non existent classified document that they argue is just too classified for anyone else to know exists. "Your Honor, Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury. I'd show you the evidence, but then a super secret CIA assassin would have to kill you."
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Oct 27, 2023 22:40
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Well thats $15k she'll never see again. https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1718017091637313876
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OgNar posted:Well thats $15k she'll never see again. This isn’t an investment in Trump. It’s an advertisement to any Trump supporter in NJ that may need legal counsel. A true 5d chess move.
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Oct 27, 2023 23:14
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It’s heartwarming to see a lifetime bullshit artist pitted against a system that’s been honed for two-plus centuries against bullshit.
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Oct 27, 2023 23:38
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Is it standard for lawyers to pay fines their clients incur during court? Just deduct it from the retainer or something?
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Oct 27, 2023 23:40
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Oooh, next week will be fun. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1718023559170134295
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Donkringel posted:Is it standard for lawyers to pay fines their clients incur during court? Just deduct it from the retainer or something? Yeah. Typically a legal contract would say Lawyer won't pay a court fee until Client pays it to Lawyer. But if you're a true believer representing your cult leader, maybe things work differently.
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and the claw won! posted:Yeah. Typically a legal contract would say Lawyer won't pay a court fee until Client pays it to Lawyer. But if you're a true believer representing your cult leader, maybe things work differently. Most likely these were paid straight out of the money paid by Trump to the firm for his retainer. If the firm was sane and made him pay up front that is. If not then yeah.....that money is gone.
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Oct 27, 2023 23:59
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Donkringel posted:Is it standard for lawyers to pay fines their clients incur during court? Just deduct it from the retainer or something? It depends on the fee agreement with the client. It's more common to have the attorney paying the court fees initially in contingent fee agreements. But those are banned in criminal defense representation. (MRPC 1.5 (d) (2)). In either case, the attorney will almost certainly be entitled to recover the fees from the client later in their regular bills or at the end of the case. It's more often a practical matter to ensure that there isn't a delay in paying the court fees that impacts the viability of the case by having to wrangle a client to cut the necessary checks.
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She pays it, and Trump can pay her back from the Rube Fund so thats the freedom loving red hat mouth breathing simple farmers, people of the land, the common clay of the new west yokels footing that bill, as usual.
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Retro42 posted:Most likely these were paid straight out of the money paid by Trump to the firm for his retainer. The check says it’s from the firms trust account. Those are client funds and not the firms money.
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OgNar posted:Oooh, next week will be fun. Don Jr. Is going to have some wild theory of how things work that’s going to be amazing and also likely to be very damaging to his case.
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Murgos posted:Don Jr. Is going to have some wild theory of how things work that’s going to be amazing and also likely to be very damaging to his case. He's gonna be nervous so he'll probably get coked out of his mind the night before.
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Lammasu posted:He's gonna be nervous so he'll probably get coked out of his mind the night before. Which would be different from any other day how?
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H.R. Hufflepuff posted:Which would be different from any other day how? Even more coked out than normal. Pupils the size of saucers.
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Nervous posted:Even more coked out than normal. Pupils the size of saucers. *starts cutting lines on the witness stand* "Are you guys cool?"
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I imagine it took days of discussion to figure out the order to call the kids in. Like, do you want to start with the coke head, or the one who is dumb by Trump standards? Some real tough pros and cons comparisons going on there. Plus you've got to figure in whether you want to start or end with the competent one who seems to have realized they were in way over their head, and that this was all jeopardizing her personal grift journey.
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Ivanka going third makes sense because she'll either have to agree with whatever lies her brothers made, and risk perjury when they're found out, or tell the truth and potentially contradict them.
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Fortunately I've never heard Eric talk, but he looks like he could just get frozen to the spot when questioned, smelling increasingly of piss Wait which thread is this?
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SpeakSlow posted:*starts cutting lines on the witness stand* "If any of you are cops you have to tell me."
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Eric, “We’d sit at the table and use our expert opinion to derive first pass valuations and dad, dads a genius. Every time he said a number, no matter how strongly the rest of us thought it was too high when it came back from accounting it was always spot on. 100% dead on accurate. Like I said, dads a genius.”
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Sarcastro posted:"If any of you are cops you have to tell me." He figures out the legal loophole of crossing his fingers behind his back as a swears to tell the truth. It's fool proof.
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Murgos posted:Eric, “We’d sit at the table and use our expert opinion to derive first pass valuations and dad, dads a genius. Every time he said a number, no matter how strongly the rest of us thought it was too high when it came back from accounting it was always spot on. 100% dead on accurate. Like I said, dads a genius.” A very stable genius at that.
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Murgos posted:He's going to use the Mueller report and the Senate finding that Russia interfered with the 2016 elections as PROOF that the IC community was out to get him or something? Ok, this is mostly a straw that breaks the camel's back moment more than anything else, but it does generally point to the desperate, bullshitty, deficient ground that trump's legal defense mostly has to rely on. I'm now mostly inclined to expect that he gets it bad enough legally that if he goes to prison he dies there
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What would happen if Don Jr. got caught snorting in the courthouse bathroom? There is a non-zero percent chance of this happening.
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nerox posted:The check says it’s from the firms trust account. Those are client funds and not the firms money. I would imagine the law firm has a duty to ensure that fines like this are paid immediately and they take the fine amount from the retainer held. Later on they'll ask Trump for more money to top off the retainer account as expenses are accrued during the course of the trial.
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Lammasu posted:What would happen if Don Jr. got caught snorting in the courthouse bathroom? There is a non-zero percent chance of this happening. The judge will be very disappointed and might fine him an insignificant portion of a month's salary.
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Lammasu posted:What would happen if Don Jr. got caught snorting in the courthouse bathroom? There is a non-zero percent chance of this happening. Did he bring enough for everyone? If not he'll have to put it away.
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Lammasu posted:What would happen if Don Jr. got caught snorting in the courthouse bathroom? There is a non-zero percent chance of this happening. Let's Go To Prison Speedrun
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Lammasu posted:What would happen if Don Jr. got caught snorting in the courthouse bathroom? There is a non-zero percent chance of this happening. Judge makes him snort the entire bag right there in front of the court as punishment. Then jail. Maybe he makes him continue testifying before jail. Also a nominal fine.
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Nervous posted:Judge makes him snort the entire bag right there in front of the court as punishment. Then jail. Maybe he makes him continue testifying before jail. Also a nominal fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCxcU-kPwho We're all going to sit and watch you snort the whole bag
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