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It's solid proof that they understand why someone would choose to use a name other than their true biological natal name etched on their chromosomes in some cases, but stay wilfully ignorant in others. e: The An-225 was a Soviet cargo aircraft designed to carry Burans, and was the heaviest aircraft ever built with the largest wingspan of any aircraft in operational service. It was commonly used to transport objects once thought impossible to move by air, such as 130-ton generators, wind turbine blades, and diesel locomotives. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Oct 28, 2023 |
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kingturnip posted:I don't disagree with your point, Angepain, but I do think it's a bit surface-level. Yeah I don't think we disagree here - my "terrible person" comment was probably a bit too hyperbolic as I do get how people can be led into this line of thinking, I suppose it just came out of frustration as to how these people are being treated as objective observers who cannot be wrong about what's right for their child (or in some cases, adult children) rather than people who might also be coming at the situation with their own biases. It's hard to blame most parents for not realising they're being fed a line by groups with an agenda when there's very little effort by anyone with real power to counter it. Really I'm just annoyed at the media and the government and the NHS and so on that allow kids to be talked over for bad reasons
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I am reading A Libertarian Walks into a Bear right now and I've had to slow down as it is astonishing how infuriating everybody in the town is. And for centuries. It is where short-sighted dickheads go to die, baffled by their own insistence against reality. No et by bears yet at page 100 but I am wishing hard. Astounding dumbfuckery.
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fuctifino posted:I'm probably going to be probed for my post in the I/P thread, so I'm going to post it here: It's important people see what Gaza is waking up to this morning the state of israel is having a loving blood orgy and the most our leaders can do is ask for is a "pause" to it i wouldn't give a poo poo if they went and invaded iran to try to topple its lovely regime, that's a fair fight what they're doing right now is naked evil
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kingturnip posted:I don't disagree with your point, Angepain, but I do think it's a bit surface-level. I mean, yes, I get it, and I am sure that the best response is compassionate support so they can work through that stuff healthily, but at the same time... gently caress them? I really can't bring myself to care all that much about the dashed expectations of people who take long enough to come to terms with either autism or gender non-comformity in their own kids that it seriously effects their parenting, or the kid's experiences. I've seen too many trans people who have been treated like they have 'killed' their former selves and like there was a genuine, tangible loss. If parents have a problem and quietly work through it or get support then great, I commend that, but it's stunning how their grief becomes the central focus and animating force for these people so very often. If anything the fact it's their child makes me less inclined to extend patience. They should be ready to trust their child enough to accept these things and support them even if they don't fully understand, and if they have grief they should be working through it privately and not letting their kid know the first hint of it, not joining pressure groups to prevent any sort of appropriate interventions that medicine understands to be best practice or talking to national media about how you're really worried your kid has autonomy. It is quite literally their first and final duty to provide the best care and support they can to their children, and the harms inflicted by parents who don't accept an autistic child or a transgender child or both are severe enough to make me deeply unsympathetic. That poo poo causes suicides, so I don't really care about how much grief they feel over their own expectations.
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 Alba get their first MSPAsh Regan quits SNP The National posted:THE former SNP leadership candidate Ash Regan has joined the Alba Party.
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vote albalaba ah nivur tuched them weemin
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more like alibaba, have to get their MPs on the cheap
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i didn't know they were still going lol
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finally the independence thermometer is back on the table https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J0HqvoWqro
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This is so comically evil lol. Honestly explodes my mind that this kind of insane propaganda is being defended and promoted https://twitter.com/idf/status/1718240244129059167?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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The last few pages have taught me that the best way of getting around YouTube ads is to just use my brothers Family account. I would go mad at the level of tech wizardry required to get ad blockers working.smellmycheese posted:This is so comically evil lol. Honestly explodes my mind that this kind of insane propaganda is being defended and promoted I have to say, this looks like it's a FMV from a an awful gritty reboot of Command & Conquer.
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When the IDF makes you start siding with Hitler... (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Monica Bellucci posted:When the IDF makes you start siding with Hitler... Shut the gently caress up
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yeah the state of israel does not represent the jewish people, despite the best efforts of the state of israel to convince the world that it does
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Monica Bellucci posted:When the IDF makes you start siding with Hitler... I understand the anger and personally I think Israel is a disgusting colonial settler state and should never have been created in the first place, but it’s important to remember that there are a lot of Jews condemning the actions of Israel as well and conflating the two is both (actually) anti-Semitic but, ironically, also plays right into the hands of Zionists by allowing them to portray criticism of Israel as criticism of Jews. Unless I’ve radically misread. You do not under any circumstances etc etc
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Monica Bellucci posted:When the IDF makes you start siding with Hitler... Do we not have a new IK to deal with this newbie troll poo poo?
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Who gives a gently caress whether some jews condemn the actions of Israel or not or if it plays in to some political narrative you dislike, there's zero case for ever siding with what Hitler did. Every jewish person on the planet could back Israel, it wouldn't change the fact you're talking about backing the loving holocaust. How about keeping the unrelated IDF tweets to the I/P thread so we don't keep getting antisemitic freaks popping up.
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Mesopotamia posted:there's zero case for ever siding with what Hitler did. You do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to him".
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MB has been a good poster since joining the thread, and I’m giving the benefit of the doubt that they may be drunk or something and overwhelmed with anger at the currently ongoing genocide, and said something very awful. MB I really think you should apologise.
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Mesopotamia posted:Who gives a gently caress whether some jews condemn the actions of Israel or not or if it plays in to some political narrative you dislike, there's zero case for ever siding with what Hitler did. what the IDF is doing is a crime against humanity on a horrific scale and discussing the absence of any condemnation let alone action by our government is a topic worthy of discussion also this thread is sort of a community so don't try to tell us what we can and can't discuss some random nazi sympathiser showing up and giving their zwei reichs-pfennig isn't my loving problem
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kingturnip posted:I don't disagree with your point, Angepain, but I do think it's a bit surface-level. This entire post frames the disabled or autistic child as almost a ghost. The walking remnants of what 'should have been.' And as an autistic person let me tell you that being treated that way is loving monstrous, whether by clinicians or by your own parents. Parents shouldn't be encouraged to 'grieve.' Even if in practice that's not what they're being taught to do, those parents will latch on to that word and do their own reading and start allowing themselves to fixate on something that never existed instead of the human being who does. What they should be taught to do is accept the child they do have, not mourning the imaginary one they assumed they'd have. Again, it's possible that bonding is part of the counselling process but reading through your post it's very much framed as "oh you poor things, an [insert slur here] has been inflicted on you, here's how to not feel sad" rather than "congratulations your child is alive, here's how to love and care for them."
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Monica Bellucci posted:When the IDF makes you start siding with Hitler... Jakabite posted:personally I think Israel is a disgusting colonial settler state and should never have been created in the first place, Especially the latter. Jakabite, with everything the left is trying to fight off at the moment you should know better than to post that.
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People are so angry right now. And rightly so. We are being fed the most appalling propaganda by a violent heavily armed client state of the USA and being told these are tbe “good guys”. It’s flagrant bullshit and it is bound to just melt peoples heads. On whatever side of the political spectrum.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Seriously can we loving not? Apart from having already had at least one Jewish thread regular ask for this kind of poo poo to stop, we know outsiders read this thread and I for one do not want anyone looking in and associating me with either of these shitheel opinions. Sorry mate but I’m not going to apologise for criticising a settler colonial state that is currently engaged in an active genocide against the people it’s spent the last century ethnically cleansing.
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The triangulation from Starmer on I/P really doesn't make much sense to me, clearly a symptom of advanced Blairist brain-worm infection. Despite a generally pro-Israel media establishment and a handful of loud obnoxious zionists on social media, I really don't think that reflects general public opinion. I don't think anyone is looking at what is happening now and thinking 'ah, yes, very cool and good'. What exactly does the leader of the loving Labour Party think he's got to lose by calling for at least a ceasefire, the absolute bare minimum not-poo poo take? Is the approval of a few lunatics who would never vote for him in a million years really worth losing the support of literally thousands of decent people, not to mention the entire British muslim demographic, and gleefully painting his hands with blood in the process? Mind boggling stupidity imho.Monica Bellucci posted:When the IDF makes you start siding with Hitler... This is not on, be better.
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Jakabite posted:Sorry mate but I’m not going to apologise for criticising a settler colonial state that is currently engaged in an active genocide against the people it’s spent the last century ethnically cleansing.
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ThomasPaine posted:The triangulation from Starmer on I/P really doesn't make much sense to me, clearly a symptom of advanced Blairist brain-worm infection. Despite a generally pro-Israel media establishment and a handful of loud obnoxious zionists on social media, I really don't think that reflects general public opinion. I don't think anyone is looking at what is happening now and thinking 'ah, yes, very cool and good'. What exactly does the leader of the loving Labour Party think he's got to lose by calling for at least a ceasefire, the absolute bare minimum not-poo poo take? Is the approval of a few lunatics who would never vote for him in a million years really worth losing the support of literally thousands of decent people, not to mention the entire British muslim demographic, and gleefully painting his hands with blood in the process? Mind boggling stupidity imho. I think it’s a symptom of him being fundamentally a man of the security state. He is, if nothing else, a company man who’ll always support the western security complex.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Especially the latter. Jakabite, with everything the left is trying to fight off at the moment you should know better than to post that. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what Jakabite said. Israel was founded both on an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in terms of the “on the ground” establishment of it and in the wider political arena it was based on a colonialist mindset where the majority of the UN endorsed a partition plan which essentially denied Palestinians the right to self determination. Neither of those should be considered acceptable and I don’t think people should fail to criticise human rights abuses or war crimes just because the perpetrators will take offence. It has been established and there is now a consensus that it should continue existing based on 1967 borders, but Jakabite wasn’t saying that it should be destroyed now - rather that it should never have been created.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:You can criticise its actions all you like, but calling for it to not exist is next loving level with everything going on right now. I didn’t call for it to not exist. Obviously that would mean something equally as horrendous happening. I said I don’t think it should have been created in the first place as that fundamentally required ethnic cleansing. Now that it does exist I want to see a peaceful solution that gradually heals the rift between Israelis and Palestinians, allowing both to live in peace.
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ThomasPaine posted:The triangulation from Starmer on I/P really doesn't make much sense to me, clearly a symptom of advanced Blairist brain-worm infection. Despite a generally pro-Israel media establishment and a handful of loud obnoxious zionists on social media, I really don't think that reflects general public opinion. I don't think anyone is looking at what is happening now and thinking 'ah, yes, very cool and good'. What exactly does the leader of the loving Labour Party think he's got to lose by calling for at least a ceasefire, the absolute bare minimum not-poo poo take? Is the approval of a few lunatics who would never vote for him in a million years really worth losing the support of literally thousands of decent people, not to mention the entire British muslim demographic, and gleefully painting his hands with blood in the process? Mind boggling stupidity imho. This is one of the few issues he has a genuine opinion of and it's that he loves what they're doing, so he's trying to thread the needle between that and the public hating it. keep punching joe posted:
Lol this probably has something to do with it too yeah
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Bobby Deluxe posted:You can criticise its actions all you like, but calling for it to not exist is next loving level with everything going on right now. Nah, gently caress Israel. Ethnostates are always lovely and should not exist. Nobody would mind an officially secular state in the middle east that welcomed Jewish immigration and settlement and protected their rights, but did so while also protecting the rights of Palestinians. The world would be significantly better off without the State of Israel as it currently exists. It's literally built on an ideology of colonialism and genocide.
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honestly being a prod in northern ireland i'm rolling my eyes out of my head at this thinking the state of israel is established, that's happened, that's how history played out, and it has the right to exist what nobody should have the right to do is to treat their neighbours as less than human, because that's the thing that always leads to really bad poo poo
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Bobby Deluxe posted:You can criticise its actions all you like, but saying it shouldn't exist is next loving level with everything going on right now. Is it? So saying Rhodesia or South Africa or the British Raj were terrible loving things that shouldn’t have happened is bad form?
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crispix posted:honestly being a prod in northern ireland i'm rolling my eyes out of my head at this thinking True, but really the whole 'right to exist' thing is just silly. It does exist. No state has a 'right' to exist or not, it either does or it doesn't, and that's down to power, not legalism or philosophy. So yes, Israel does exist. But I think it's fair to say that things would be better if it didn't, or at least didn't in the shape that it currently is.
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Back from the London protest. Absolutely massive turnout so props to all who could make it. Think this might have even been bigger than the last two.
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Maybe it's just me hallucinating posts from a previous page but I thought we'd agreed to knock the I/P debating on the head right about the time Miftan, a more universally liked poster than me, posted this:Miftan posted:I *really* wish you all would take it to the I/P thread, where I go if I want to read about this poo poo. and I am actively avoiding it at the moment.
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