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ephori
Sep 1, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

ChocNitty posted:

Anyone play the Ironman VR game and can say if its good or not? I’m tempted since it’s on sale. Don’t mind if the graphics arent amazing or if its a 6 hour experience if its enjoyable and fun.

It sucks but in my experience kids universally LOVE it. It makes a great VR show-off experience for kids. They go crazy playing it.

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EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

Zero VGS posted:

Like, if you've got $500 something as frivolous as a Quest 3 then it's not unreasonable to think you can do the 3-5k.


Yeah thats not how money works for most people.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Zero VGS posted:

Like, if you've got $500 something as frivolous as a Quest 3 then it's not unreasonable to think you can do the 3-5k.


Are you really wildly not aware of the difference between $500 and 3000-5000 thousand dollars, like, at all?

I don't want to be mean here but like, dang, I don't think you are aware of how money works for a vast majority of the general public in even the most slightest bit.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Is there a good way to use a wired connection with PCVR outside of the oculus app? I thought virtual desktop would do it but it seems to be only over wifi.

Wifi is not really ideal for a long laundry list of reasons, mainly I have a lot of wifi traffic due to having >20 high bandwidth devices as I work on embedded hardware from home.

It still works okay but is not really great. Also the compression load on the GPU is more than I expected.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Oct 28, 2023

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

KakerMix posted:

Are you really wildly not aware of the difference between $500 and 3000-5000 thousand dollars, like, at all?

I don't want to be mean here but like, dang, I don't think you are aware of how money works for a vast majority of the general public in even the most slightest bit.

500 for something frivolous vs 3-5k for something that improves your QoL broadly and cuts down your expenses for the rest of your life, it’s not a direct comparison.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Honestly so far the Quest 3 seems not that great compared to reverb g2 if you are into PCVR.

Yes the lenses are great and tracking is quite good, but the controllers don't have as many inputs as the old WMR ones, the graphic quality is noticeably worse even with 150% render resolution and good streaming quality and it runs like hot garbage comparably.

Even worse the latency is an absolute killer, I've tried playing various reflex games like beat saber, eleven TT, some fast paced shooters, etc, and it's been throwing me wildly off. It's fine on native apps but it's a major letdown otherwise.

The speakers aren't anywhere near as good either.

Unfortunately as I mentioned earlier the reverb is having a lot of issues for me lately, so it's really the only option to work reliably. It's also somewhat more comfortable and the guardian system for roomscale works better.

The battery life on the controllers is way better on the quest 3 too. There's definitely positives, but it's not without downsides.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Oct 28, 2023

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Kalman posted:

frivolous

You too huh?

Look, for a vast majority of people the difference between $500 and $3,000 might as well be as large as $500 to $300,000 or $3,000,000. Whatever judgment call you want to make on what people spend their money on aside, lots of people aren't in the position to expend out a few thousand dollars for real-life QOL improvements vs. sub-$100 for a direct improvement now as it relates to VR use. Get the lens inserts since you wear glasses already and hey, what a big improvement for a bit more money!

Kwolok
Jan 4, 2022

ShaneB posted:

Holy crap the zenni snap in lenses are so much better an experience than wearing my normal glasses in between. I don't even have a very significant prescription (like -1.5 in each eye) and the level of clarity and lack of any hazing/fogging is night and day. Absolutely must purchase for glasses-wearers.

I'm dumb and afraid of purchasing the wrong thing, can you give me a link?

Kwolok
Jan 4, 2022
LASIK isn't a magic bullet and will likely make your up close vision worse

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Kwolok posted:

I'm dumb and afraid of purchasing the wrong thing, can you give me a link?

https://vr.zenni.io/quest/products/quest-3?utm_source=meta&utm_medium=website

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Does anyone have a UK referral link? TIP sent me a PM with a US one, but it doesn't seem to be working.

Kwolok
Jan 4, 2022

Thank you!

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums

Kwolok posted:

LASIK isn't a magic bullet and will likely make your up close vision worse

Yeah, I talked to my eye doctor a few years ago and I lost a lot of interest when he told me I'd still need glasses, just a lower prescription.

ShaneB
Oct 22, 2002


Kwolok posted:

I'm dumb and afraid of purchasing the wrong thing, can you give me a link?

Someone else got ya!

I'm taking the Q3 to my sister's place tonight for some family hangs, already dreading having to wear my glasses with it cuz I don't wanna swap em in and out all night.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Private Speech posted:

Does anyone have a UK referral link? TIP sent me a PM with a US one, but it doesn't seem to be working.

This is an European one
https://www.meta.com/referrals/link/TurinTurambar/

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.



Doesn't seem to work:

quote:

Unable to accept referral
There was an issue with accepting this referral. You may not be eligible because the country or region is not supported, you referred yourself or you already accepted this referral.

Anyone have a UK specific one?

e: I've tried some UK ones from reddit, it looks like it just doesn't work for me for whatever reason.

e2: I've had to unlink it before it worked, but I used the UK one from reddit, sorry.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Oct 29, 2023

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Kwolok posted:

LASIK isn't a magic bullet and will likely make your up close vision worse

I was worried about this when I got it this summer but I ended up with 20-15 vision and no complaints outside of some expected starburst issues at night (that I got with glasses anyway). It was a big part of why I got back into VR stuff, because even with custom lenses the Quest 2 kinda sucked for me.

Kwolok
Jan 4, 2022

Tiny Timbs posted:

I was worried about this when I got it this summer but I ended up with 20-15 vision and no complaints outside of some expected starburst issues at night (that I got with glasses anyway). It was a big part of why I got back into VR stuff, because even with custom lenses the Quest 2 kinda sucked for me.

Though it can cause problems immediately following, it absolutely will cause your up close vision to deteriorate faster as you age now. That's the trade off.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Zero VGS posted:

For the cost of the lenses maybe consider budgeting LASIK instead

My boyfriend got it and VR is a million times better for him now.

LASIK doesn’t last forever :shrug:

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Shrinkage posted:

So I have a pico 4 that I use exclusively for porn.

New thread title

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

Kalman posted:

500 for something frivolous vs 3-5k for something that improves your QoL broadly and cuts down your expenses for the rest of your life, it’s not a direct comparison.

That's what I was saying, but people wanna be obtuse. Like if you can afford to be a VR enthusiast you can probably consider saving towards that. In the meantime it seems like the procedures keep getting better too but for my bf if was 10 minutes for 20/20

KillHour posted:

New thread title

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KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Zero VGS posted:

That's what I was saying, but people wanna be obtuse. Like if you can afford to be a VR enthusiast you can probably consider saving towards that. In the meantime it seems like the procedures keep getting better too but for my bf if was 10 minutes for 20/20

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You're passing judgment on what people spend money on. "If they can afford X, they should be able to Y" is THE classic out of touch thing to say. That you refuse (or are unable to) see that says far more than your words you type on something awful dot com.

Just because VR is niche doesn't mean it isn't important to people. You wouldn't claim that someone that owns a mobile is a 'mobile phone enthusiast' would you?

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

KakerMix posted:

You're passing judgment on what people spend money on. "If they can afford X, they should be able to Y" is THE classic out of touch thing to say. That you refuse (or are unable to) see that says far more than your words you type on something awful dot com.

Just because VR is niche doesn't mean it isn't important to people. You wouldn't claim that someone that owns a mobile is a 'mobile phone enthusiast' would you?

To function in first-world society circa 2023, you need about $100 worth of phone and $0 worth of VR. If you spent more than that on either, I'd call you an enthusiast, yeah. VR is still discretionary spending; you'd have to reach to say anyone depends on it for Real Life poo poo like their phone, which I've recently needed for things like ID-confirming video chat with the government to collect benefits, or taking an Uber to the hospital so I can avoid an ambulance bill :911:

This isn't "99.6% of 'poors' own a fridge" that we're talking about here. Someone brought up budgeting the Q3 for lenses (which can be over $100 bucks). I said if you're thinking about VR and eye budgets, take a hard look at a long-term QOL fix, because anecdotally it worked great for my bf and he has no regrets. Someone on this page said it worked for them too.

A Quest 3 is optional spending, so is Lasik, and they go well together. That's all I said. If you still can't swing the money or don't want to for whatever reason, hell even if you just have a phobia of robots wielding lasers, I'm not judging. My privilege is like, totally checked buddy.

DeadlyHalibut
May 31, 2008

Kalman posted:

500 for something frivolous vs 3-5k for something that improves your QoL broadly and cuts down your expenses for the rest of your life, it’s not a direct comparison.

I read the start of the page only and thought we're talking about apple vision :v:

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

For the kind of money Apple is planning to charge for their dumb headset it really should have been the Apple 20/20 Vision with built-in corrective eye laser

AzureSkys
Apr 27, 2003

I'm loving the clarity of the Quest 3. I don't know, though, if I'm over the wow factor of VR or if the Q3 makes 3D depth feel less noticeable.
I feel like I'm just looking at a cool 360° screen rather than in a 3D space compared to when I played the same stuff on the Q1 or Q2. Not sure if it's just me or if others are feeling the same.

My usual quick test is Aircar and I remember being so impressed with feeling I was inside a vehicle, but now it all feels very flat. Not sure how to explain it. Things are super smooth and clear, though, which is nice.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

There's less binocular overlap in Quest 3, which could play a part in that.

ShaneB
Oct 22, 2002


This lasik conversation is loving classic sa thread stuff. Which means it sucks.

Saukkis
May 16, 2003

Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.
I have seen discussions about laser eye surgery in several threads in SA and people only ever talk about LASIK. Is this a case of using LASIK as a generic term or are the alternative procedures rare in US?

If it is the case of the former people need to stop doing that. This is not Kleenex, these procedures are not interchangeable. If someone goes to google laser surgery and the first thing they find is LASIK they might just give up on the whole idea. This is pretty much what happened to me. Ages ago I saw a video of a LASIK operation where the cutting of the front flap was horribly mangled. This caused me to dither about LASIK for maybe a decade. Until a coworker told me about his plans to get ReLEx SMILE operation. This was the first time I had heard about it and I jumped right in, the procedure seemed so much safer.

Another issue if the suitability. Oxyclean mentioned how their eye doctor had said laser surgery isn't suitable for their eyes, but didn't specify if this issue affects all laser surgeries or just LASIK. There are vision problems that can't be fixed by LASIK but can be handled with SMILE or PRK/LASEK.


https://www.londonvisionclinic.com/treatments/lasik/

quote:

The Pros of ReLEx SMILE
Suitability and High Prescriptions: This minimally invasive procedure opens the possibility of clearer vision to more people than ever before – even those who have previously been told they are unsuitable for treatment. Many patients who are unsuitable for other Laser Eye Surgery treatments are suitable candidates for SMILE. As SMILE leaves the front part of the cornea intact, it allows for more demanding prescriptions to be treated.

The Pros of PRK/LASEK
Better Option for Some: PRK/LASEK is not as common as it used to be. However, some patients can benefit from it if they are not suitable for other treatment options. For example, patients with co-existing eye issues that may be treated simultaneously as correcting the vision, e.g. scars and loose surface epithelium.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

It’s used as a generic term here.

Vakal
May 11, 2008
What are people using for video playing apps these days?

I ripped the 3D version Avatar 2 from my Blu Ray disc and transferred it to the internal storage of my Quest 3.

I usually use Skybox and while it loads and plays the movie fine, it stutters every few seconds so I'm thinking it is a bitrate issue.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


DeoVR made some good improvements recently, including adding AV1 support. Though I still think the paid app Pigasus is better.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

ShaneB posted:

This lasik conversation is loving classic sa thread stuff. Which means it sucks.

i just put on glasses, one neat trick. laser eye surgeons hate it!

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

SMILE and PRK both have their own major downsides

Kalman posted:

It’s used as a generic term here.

Not in my experience. LASIK is just more common.

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


I'm thinking about getting some rechargeable double AAs for my quest controllers - while regular disposable AAs last pretty dang long with these things, still feels maybe a bit wasteful. Anything I should look for for rechargable AAs? I heard Eneloops are what I want? Anything secondary on that to look for?

There sure is a lot of way too big bundles of eneloops on Amazon.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

Oxyclean posted:

I'm thinking about getting some rechargeable double AAs for my quest controllers - while regular disposable AAs last pretty dang long with these things, still feels maybe a bit wasteful. Anything I should look for for rechargable AAs? I heard Eneloops are what I want? Anything secondary on that to look for?

There sure is a lot of way too big bundles of eneloops on Amazon.

We use eneloops at work and they've lasted us a long while

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Oxyclean posted:

I'm thinking about getting some rechargeable double AAs for my quest controllers - while regular disposable AAs last pretty dang long with these things, still feels maybe a bit wasteful. Anything I should look for for rechargable AAs? I heard Eneloops are what I want? Anything secondary on that to look for?

There sure is a lot of way too big bundles of eneloops on Amazon.

I got on the Eneloops train earlier this year and will say once you've got them in one thing you'll start wanting them in everything. I've ended up with 8 AAs and I think I still want 4 more and some AAAs.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

do get a smart charger for them if you don't have one, the dumb chargers that just run on a timer aren't good for the longevity of the batteries

panasonic sells bundles of a smart charger with 4 eneloops together

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Yeah the basic charger can also only do charging in pairs, which isn't that useful if the use case is a single battery device like Quest controllers.

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Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
people still use regular batteries:dafuq: makes sense if you need a billion items powered but household is rechargable all the way. you just get to never think about it again. you have to go bonkers to kill em in a reasonable timeframe

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