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Blue Moonlight posted:It was literally how Steve Jobs envisioned third-party apps would work on the iPhone - everyone would write web apps that would just be pinned to the home screen. He had to be talked into the App Store. It's back... it's how I use Outlook on Linux, as a "progressive web application" via Edge.
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mawarannahr posted:It's back... it's how I use Outlook on Linux, as a "progressive web application" via Edge. Reported for self harm
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Oct 29, 2023 19:36
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What's the theory on why enshitification massively accelerated in the last year? Google squeezing real hard right now with search being almost unusable & YT cracking down on ad blockers, Reddit axed 3rd party apps, etc. Most of the tech industry is highly profitable, made a shitton of money during the pandemic and the tech job market cooled down. Why are they doing this now?
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GABA ghoul posted:What's the theory on why enshitification massively accelerated in the last year? Google squeezing real hard right now with search being almost unusable & YT cracking down on ad blockers, Reddit axed 3rd party apps, etc. need more money
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GABA ghoul posted:What's the theory on why enshitification massively accelerated in the last year? Google squeezing real hard right now with search being almost unusable & YT cracking down on ad blockers, Reddit axed 3rd party apps, etc. Number go up but number of go up not go up.
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Oct 29, 2023 20:01
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yup, it's a one way ratchet that never ends. no matter how hard you enshittified your products in order to hit your numbers this year you gotta do it even harder next year.
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What even is a dot com bubble? That’ll never happen!
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Oct 29, 2023 20:07
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Google has had bad years or phases of stagnation before though. And it's a lot of different companies ramping it up at the same time. Feels different, like something has changed.
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GABA ghoul posted:What's the theory on why enshitification massively accelerated in the last year? Google squeezing real hard right now with search being almost unusable & YT cracking down on ad blockers, Reddit axed 3rd party apps, etc. I think they're emboldened by each other's layoffs and policy changes that piss off their employees and customers but almost never seem to cause them to actually lose enough support to eat poo poo. For example, I'm sure Google saw what happened with Netflix cracking down on account sharing and decided they could get away with forcing people to pay for youtube with crackdowns on ad blockers. On a personal level, many years ago I left a large company to work for a very small, specialized company that was privately owned. A slightly larger company started pouring honey into the owners ears about growth and in short order they agreed to let the larger company purchase us. Long story short, they ended up selling themselves to a large company and just like that I was back where I started. The next company I went to recently took on outside investors because of growth. A year later a huge round of layoffs just to satisfy revenue growth targets. BOTH of these companies were very profitable and had no specific need for growth. In both cases a company I actually liked working for became hosed up because of growth. I swear to god I'd rather listen to the anguished screams of dying children than sit in on another all hands meeting where some dick head in a patagonia vest talks about revenue growth.
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It’s companies chasing that pandemic captive-audience high and poorly dealing with the fact that they’re just not getting that back - that’s why it’s happening fairly consistently across the industry.
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is pepsi ok posted:yup, it's a one way ratchet that never ends. no matter how hard you enshittified your products in order to hit your numbers this year you gotta do it even harder next year. one way ratchet is a great way to describe it Blue Moonlight posted:It’s companies chasing that pandemic captive-audience high and poorly dealing with the fact that they’re just not getting that back - that’s why it’s happening fairly consistently across the industry. This with the free money faucet. When the fed started raising interest rates there were a lot of knock-on effects when a lot of startups became non-viable overnight, to say nothing of the insanity of places like SVB tanking. In short the CEO class is the last group of people you want in charge of anything other than cruel greed factories.
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Oct 29, 2023 20:39
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GABA ghoul posted:What's the theory on why enshitification massively accelerated in the last year? Google squeezing real hard right now with search being almost unusable & YT cracking down on ad blockers, Reddit axed 3rd party apps, etc. Interest rates went up, so the stupid easy goofball money is gone. Strategies has gone from "Growth at any cost" to "Oh poo poo, we actually need to make money now".
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Oct 29, 2023 21:04
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If it was full service?
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Can we please change the thread title to something with the word "enshittification" in it? I've been getting some good mileage out of it lately and I want more people to know that joy.
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Oct 29, 2023 21:16
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 A couple weeks ago, a Search bar appeared on my taskbar at work. I found the option to disable it, but it doesn't let me uncheck it. lovely OS, or did IT somehow lock down the settings? Either way, it's poo poo. That's valuable real-estate for minimized apps that I could be clicking. Luckily it's only on one monitor.
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Oct 29, 2023 21:22
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Send an IT ticket demanding that it be disabled.
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Oct 29, 2023 21:24
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withak posted:Send an IT ticket demanding that it be disabled. Watch, they’ll just disable search entirely for everyone, but in a way that it just leaves a broken text box in everyone’s task bar.
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Oct 29, 2023 21:28
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Seriously, why did google remove "home" as one of the search suggestions in google maps? I can't even think of an evil capitalist reason other than Home Depot paid them $$$ to get to the top
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Oct 29, 2023 21:30
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Ah, that reminds me of another Windows gripe. Both Outlook and Teams can run hidden/minimized to the system tray in Win10. But Outlook minimizes to the system tray while Teams closes to the system tray. You can't make them both behave the same way and I always forget which one I have to minimize to hide and which one I have to close to hide.
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Does this home you speak of sell any goods or services? Why would you want directions to somewhere that wouldn't let you consume goods and services?
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wash bucket posted:Ah, that reminds me of another Windows gripe. Both Outlook and Teams can run hidden/minimized to the system tray in Win10. But Outlook minimizes to the system tray while Teams closes to the system tray. You can't make them both behave the same way and I always forget which one I have to minimize to hide and which one I have to close to hide.  trying to figure out the common issue with all three of those productsgonna send that one down to the lab
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wash bucket posted:Ah, that reminds me of another Windows gripe. Both Outlook and Teams can run hidden/minimized to the system tray in Win10. But Outlook minimizes to the system tray while Teams closes to the system tray. You can't make them both behave the same way and I always forget which one I have to minimize to hide and which one I have to close to hide. Simple, Outlook is mostly a normal program that performs a function and goes away when you tell it, Teams is a cancerous growth that hates you and your computer and wants to devour all your resources and make your life miserable so it always lurks in the darkness.
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DrPossum posted:Seriously, why did google remove "home" as one of the search suggestions in google maps? I can't even think of an evil capitalist reason other than Home Depot paid them $$$ to get to the top Are you talking about the app or the website? At the very least I just checked the android app and it has the Home and Work I set at the top as separate from the list. 
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kiminewt posted:Are you talking about the app or the website? At the very least I just checked the android app and it has the Home and Work I set at the top as separate from the list. both. mine is gone and has been for some time, even when I change it. possibly *when* I changed it. possibly when I enabled some privacy settings now that I think about it but if I type the full word "home" and hit the search icon, it goes to my home
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DrPossum posted:Seriously, why did google remove "home" as one of the search suggestions in google maps? I can't even think of an evil capitalist reason other than Home Depot paid them $$$ to get to the top Probably accidental enshittification because an underpaid engineer deployed a code change that wasn’t adequately reviewed because QA is automated by software now instead of paying a human to actually check poo poo.
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Lurk Ethic posted:
Those bars can also be added by GPO, though at user level you can turn it off from the taskbar settings menu.
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DrPossum posted:Seriously, why did google remove "home" as one of the search suggestions in google maps? I can't even think of an evil capitalist reason other than Home Depot paid them $$$ to get to the top Well, I figured it out. I'm being punished by google because I turned off "save web and app activity" in my global account settings.
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Lurk Ethic posted:
You don't uncheck it, you pick a no search option. I did this last week.
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GABA ghoul posted:Google has had bad years or phases of stagnation before though. And it's a lot of different companies ramping it up at the same time. Feels different, like something has changed. The rate of profit, duh.
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anonumos posted:The rate of profit, duh. Rate of profit has increased for most companies during the pandemic though. The just for the hell of it “greed” price increases that’s made up 20-25% of inflation.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Rate of profit has increased for most companies during the pandemic though. The just for the hell of it “greed” price increases that’s made up 20-25% of inflation. Because the rate of profit tends to fall, they have to resort to more extreme measures to keep it from doing so. They're fighting against economic entropy. We've accepted an economic system that does not favor stability, steady growth, or "just" good profits. I would say this was unsustainable, but it depends on the amount of energy spent propping up the system. anonumos fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Oct 30, 2023 |
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The only thing worse than videogame fans are people who watch people play video games and think that is equivalent to actually playing and interacting with video games
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Ah, we've found the new version of "and my dad says I'm on the computer too much but he just sits and watches football ON TV!!!"
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GABA ghoul posted:What's the theory on why enshitification massively accelerated in the last year? Google squeezing real hard right now with search being almost unusable & YT cracking down on ad blockers, Reddit axed 3rd party apps, etc.  Tech has been profitable, but a lot of it was gouging for equipment fulfillment for COVID backlog. I dont know that Reddit has ever been profitable, and Google has been bleeding money on SEO ads for a while. Facebook/Meta has also burned 100b chasing VR poo poo, Zoom is gearing up to lose the fight to MS Teams at the corporate/enterprise level, on and onanonumos posted:Because the rate of profit tends to fall, they have to resort to more extreme measures to keep it from doing so. They're fighting against economic entropy. We've accepted an economic system that does not favor stability, steady growth, or "just" good profits. also this. Rates being super cheap propped up a lot of unicorn tech companies, where they could churn money endlessly on the hope they go 100x at some point. Now that rates are effectively 4x what they were in November 2020, everything needs to turn 4x as much profit for the bloodsucking VCs. Things like Uber/Lyft being in the red by hundreds of millions of dollars for years on end was an aberration.
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DrPossum posted:
A couple of weeks ago, I took my dad’s truck to the car wash for the cheapo special. It’s usually a press a button on the touch screen, tap card, and enter the wash from the raised arm deal. A worker came out this time, pressed the button for me, tapped my card, and then asked me if I wanted to leave a tip. I almost laughed and said, “For pressing a button??? No.” In hindsight, I sounded like an rear end in a top hat even though I really felt bad for the dude, but c’mon, homie, you pressed a button I usually press myself. That doesn’t warrant a tip. I’m sorry, dude. The machine has never asked for a tip before, so I think it’s something new the car wash implemented with staff working the touchscreen instead of the customers doing it themselves.
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The rich consolidated power and are now flexing
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bossy lady posted:I swear to god I'd rather listen to the anguished screams of dying children than sit in on another all hands meeting where some dick head in a patagonia vest talks about revenue growth. Make this the thread title somehow tia You Are A Werewolf posted:The machine has never asked for a tip before, so I think it’s something new the car wash implemented with staff working the touchscreen instead of the customers doing it themselves. When I worked at a bar/'bistro' in Scotland we decided we'd like some of these 'tips' the yanks got. Without the permission of the owners/managers, we turned the restaurant from an order at the counter deal to full service. Tips went up but of course management all took their cut because what are labour laws when you're employing easily abused foreign workers. The take away is if you force people to be serviced you can get some money. I don't really blame the grunts for doing it because they deserve a cut and id do it too. Still don't tip for counter poo poo unless it's warrented tho.
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Boogaloo Shrimp posted:Probably accidental enshittification because an underpaid engineer deployed a code change that wasn’t adequately reviewed because QA is automated by software now instead of paying a human to actually check poo poo. My company had 20 QA people... Now we have 4 proper QA people and 16 people that write code, but our software has no API so they can only test the web pages. Gotta be by far most useless part of the team. I manual test a new feature , then if it's on a web interface they come ask me how it works and write a little code that does what 8 just did... Like what? The code automation guys get paid significant more money than too lol.
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steinrokkan posted:Simple, Outlook is mostly a normal program that performs a function and goes away when you tell it, Teams is a cancerous growth that hates you and your computer and wants to devour all your resources and make your life miserable so it always lurks in the darkness. In a pinch, I made the mistake of installing the Teams app on my personal video game machine, and logging in once. It added an apparently unremovable work e-mail user account somewhere deep inside my Windows settings, it keeps popping up in unrelated places and sometimes I randomly see our company logo plastered in unexpected spots like at the top of the start menu. Considering reinstall because I’m not sure if I’m now somehow shadow managed by the corporate IT.
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