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fadam
Apr 23, 2008

wei posted:

yeah we still have the current modern RCQ and RC season to get through before MH3.

I accidentally qualified through limited again. Scam looks to be best deck for me to build but I'm worried about bans

If I was going to grind this season I’d do Scam or Rhinos I think.

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Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
I might hop on hammer lists that demolish scam. 4x sanctifier en vec and find a plan for beans

Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011



Explord

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
That's kind of a neat card

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

Andrew Cuneo is a pretty dry and very skilled pro who usually puts out some Standard content every set. https://www.youtube.com/@andrewcuneo9588

Opinionated posted:

LegenVD is my favorite by far, least annoying and seemingly good at the game. https://www.youtube.com/@LegenVD/videos

I've also been liking https://www.youtube.com/@Ashlizzlle/videos she also seems pretty chill and I like the decks she makes.

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

I used to like Ashlizzle but she's gotten much saltier over the time she's been stuck in the content mines. Maybe her Youtube videos are okay though, I used to watch streams on Twitch.

LegenVD is good but bo1.

Ty for the suggestions, LegenVD seems pretty decent so far and I will check out the others as well.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

There really might be a pioneer merfolk deck that comes out at the end of this after all. At current its gimick is just weaker than all the other tribal stuff. If this explore stuff lines up it might be interesting.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Time posted:

I might hop on hammer lists that demolish scam. 4x sanctifier en vec and find a plan for beans

Sanctifier doesn't beat scam unless you top deck it and they haven't already killed you

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

so when I "explore" a land does this ability trigger before or after it is put into my hand?

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream

HootTheOwl posted:

Sanctifier doesn't beat scam unless you top deck it and they haven't already killed you

I’m 71% against scam with it over 50 matches - it paired with the rest of the deck is brutal for scam. Those games go really long more than either side does their thing and ends it early

Sapphic Socialism
Jan 7, 2017

All your favourite video game characters are gay and trans.
I'm just skipping this season of RCQs because there didn't seem to be a deck i was confident on that wouldn't require me to either buy rings or a thousand dollars worth of modern horizons cards, but amulet titan seems like a decent choice if your brain is wired the right way for it. Not the best scam matchup but demolishes a lot of things people are doing to beat it

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
Also you don’t have to take it from me, dingo the scam god incarnate hopped off the deck for more than a month because he hated seeing that card so much

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


AnEdgelord posted:

so when I "explore" a land does this ability trigger before or after it is put into my hand?

Pretty sure after. Adding to hand the land is part of the explore trigger resolving, and then this extra trigger is put on the stack based on the resolution of the explore trigger.

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

big scary monsters posted:

Anyone have a favourite Standard player to watch? Ideally not too annoying in voice or personality, good understanding of the meta and plays well, and I'd prefer made-for-YouTube to someone constantly talking to Twitch chat. MTGO or MTGA are both fine. I realise I am asking a lot, but a lot of Magic content creators are incredibly grating.

covertgoblue

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
ok I'm confused, we can ban sanctifier too.

And fire the designer who made it
Into the sun

kalel
Jun 19, 2012


he's awful imho

Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011

I'm so sad Dowsing Device is force flipped into the cave instead of being optional. The manaless version of the ability is going to be better a decent amount of the time.

It's a pretty fun combo with Threefold Thunderhulk. Play, +1/+0 and haste, make 4 tokens, get +4/+0, attack, make 8 tokens, flip, activate, 21 damage. Unfortunately you can only have a max of 1 other artifact.

resistentialism
Aug 13, 2007

AnEdgelord posted:

so when I "explore" a land does this ability trigger before or after it is put into my hand?

The ability essentially triggers exactly whenever you do the thing that triggers it, but it doesn't go on the stack, let alone resolve, until after the spell or ability that's currently in the middle of resolving is finished. (it might be weirder with stuff like finale of promise)

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

The intent is obviously to let you drop the land Explore gets you so even if that's not how it would work, they will make it that it does.

Edit: But the rules already account for it:

quote:

701.40. Explore

701.40a Certain abilities instruct a permanent to explore. To do so, that permanent’s controller reveals the top card of their library. If a land card is revealed this way, that player puts that card into their hand. Otherwise, that player puts a +1/+1 counter on the exploring permanent and may put the revealed card into their graveyard.
701.40b A permanent “explores” after the process described in rule 701.40a is complete, even if some or all of those actions were impossible.

The card only "explored" once the effect is finished.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

AnEdgelord posted:

so when I "explore" a land does this ability trigger before or after it is put into my hand?

It won't resolve until after

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

It would be really hard for them to write that ability in a way that made you put the land into play before you got a chance to put the newly-found land into your hand. Even if they wanted to do that, I think they'd need a really ugly replacement effect to make it work that way. Something hideous like "If you would put a land card into your hand as part of an explore action, instead put up to one land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped, then put that land card into your hand."

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Lottery of Babylon posted:

It would be really hard for them to write that ability in a way that made you put the land into play before you got a chance to put the newly-found land into your hand. Even if they wanted to do that, I think they'd need a really ugly replacement effect to make it work that way. Something hideous like "If you would put a land card into your hand as part of an explore action, instead put up to one land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped, then put that land card into your hand."
"If you you would explore a land into your hand, put it onto the battlefield tapped instead" I don't think is all that cumbersome. The difference being that this trigger is any land and the replacement effects would be just the found land.

tinaun
Jun 9, 2011

                  tell me...

Time posted:

I might hop on hammer lists that demolish scam. 4x sanctifier en vec and find a plan for beans

The RCQ that i went to today was won by a hammer player that went undefeated - deck owns.

(I went 3-3 on scales. I was 3-1 and feeling good then lost a really grindy murktide match where he just had all the counterspells)

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream

tinaun posted:

The RCQ that i went to today was won by a hammer player that went undefeated - deck owns.

(I went 3-3 on scales. I was 3-1 and feeling good then lost a really grindy murktide match where he just had all the counterspells)

Hell yeah. Love to get the on the ground info. Scales is cool too but I’m far too dumb to play it

Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011



More 2 mana ramp.



Garbage 2 mana 8/8 but it is a 2 mana enabler for Fight Rigging, and we're getting another 3 mana enabler this set too.



Elf that only does Dinos seems probably a little too limited to be good, but it is a reason to play a full on dino tribal deck.



I don't think the tier 1 decks play much this hits.



Probably too much life lost, and it doesn't really dig as well as I thought it might on first glance. I'm not sure a 4 mana 4/4 etb draw would see play, and I think this is probably worse than that.

GonSmithe
Apr 25, 2010

Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.
Strictly better Dreadbore, huh? That's cool.

Panderfringe
Sep 12, 2011

yospos

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:




I don't think the tier 1 decks play much this hits.


Most decks play creatures

wei
Jul 27, 2006

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:



I don't think the tier 1 decks play much this hits.

It gives Scam a good answer to some poor matchups (Scales and Hammer), but Terminate is occupying that slot and it being instant is obviously a big deal. I think people will definitely try this out in Modern.

It's less relevant in Pioneer, a little harder to turn on and the second mode doesn't hit much. Witch's Oven, Portable Hole and Chained to the Rocks? Some people run Dreadbore in RB mid but instant speed interaction is important in a format with Greasefang.

idk about Standard, would be cool to see RB Anvil become relevant again given enough juice in this set since it does the Descend thing well.

Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011

Panderfringe posted:

Most decks play creatures

Obviously I'm talking about the second target, less obviously I'm talking about Standard.

Sapphic Socialism
Jan 7, 2017

All your favourite video game characters are gay and trans.

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

Obviously I'm talking about the second target, less obviously I'm talking about Standard.

You're probably not hitting anything better than role / artifact tokens, but standard RB / Grixis midrange decks might want this just as a Dreadbore.

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

molten collapse is a big deal for explorer since dreadbore and terminate are not legal in that format. or I guess I should say, it will make the biggest splash in that format since every other format has better or more relevant answers

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:




Garbage 2 mana 8/8 but it is a 2 mana enabler for Fight Rigging, and we're getting another 3 mana enabler this set too.

Hello fling target. Also maybe a Corpse Explosion target.

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!


Sick, he turn all your explorers into pseudo risen reefs

Big Ol Marsh Pussy
Jan 7, 2007


im going to lose my mind every time my opponent has this on turn 2 in draft

fadam
Apr 23, 2008



This is my pick for most expensive card in the set. Is there a casual EDG deck that doesn’t want this?

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


Will this be a good set to jump into? Last time I bought cards was Brothers War for nostalgia reasons. This set I want to check out for dinosaur reasons.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
So are you always Descending when you self mill or anything goes to the graveyard? Obviously it only matters if cards that care about that keyword are in play, just wondering if it's an invisible thing you're technically always doing or if the inclusion of a descend card creates it as a thing that can be tracked, like when you play a day/night card.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Khanstant posted:

So are you always Descending when you self mill or anything goes to the graveyard? Obviously it only matters if cards that care about that keyword are in play, just wondering if it's an invisible thing you're technically always doing or if the inclusion of a descend card creates it as a thing that can be tracked, like when you play a day/night card.

I think technically, but I can't remember if there's been any cards that cared about how many cards you descended this turn. Just if you have or not at EoT.

Kind of like City's Blessing.

Edit: though I think, with tokens going to the graveyard. Tokens dying will count as if you Descended but not for Descend.

Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Oct 30, 2023

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

Khanstant posted:

So are you always Descending when you self mill or anything goes to the graveyard? Obviously it only matters if cards that care about that keyword are in play, just wondering if it's an invisible thing you're technically always doing or if the inclusion of a descend card creates it as a thing that can be tracked, like when you play a day/night card.

the reminder text says you've descended when at least one permanent card has gone to your graveyard from anywhere, including your library. so I would think that any effect which cares if you had descended means that the game is looking to see whether "a permanent card changed zones and its destination was the graveyard" == true, whether or not that came as a result of a descent effect

christ this keyword is loving stupid

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

How is it stupid, it’s so simple? It’s a slightly different Revolt.

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Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

fadam posted:



This is my pick for most expensive card in the set. Is there a casual EDG deck that doesn’t want this?

Slap that in your Mono G Devotion sideboard

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