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disaster pastor posted:Yeah, the main reason they have a pretty good grasp so quickly is that there's so little to grasp. Voyager is really kind of amazing in the sense that the characters become less developed as the show goes on, with Janeway in particular becoming so scattershot in her writing that her defining character trait becomes "uh, kind of crazy and erratic, I guess?" She's always fun at least, and Kate Mulgrew is always good. Kim also starts as a flavorless ball of nothing before somehow becoming even less, and Chakotay devolves from a bunch of racist stereotypes into a nondescript background character which is at least an improvement. Honestly, Chakotay is the saddest of the bunch because he gets maybe like 4-5 legitimately good character moments through the whole series and you can see a hint of him becoming a good character. His relationship with Janeway is also really nice and underutilized. edit- The Doctor and Seven get legitimate character development, though. And Tuvok remains in a steady state of being pretty cool.
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Paradoxish posted:Honestly, Chakotay is the saddest of the bunch because he gets maybe like 4-5 legitimately good character moments through the whole series and you can see a hint of him becoming a good character. His relationship with Janeway is also really nice and underutilized. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eax1l0WvqfA
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Paradoxish posted:Chakotay devolves from a bunch of racist stereotypes into a nondescript background character which is at least an improvement. My jaw dropped at some of the language Tom Paris was using when talking to Chakotay during Caretaker. "Can't you turn into a bird or something?" Yowzas.
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Worst voyager is yet to come in season 3 also season 6 arguably 7 as well
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I thought Voyager S3 was the best of Voyager 1.0 before it kind if got retooled into the Janeway and Seven show
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Paradoxish posted:Honestly, Chakotay is the saddest of the bunch because he gets maybe like 4-5 legitimately good character moments through the whole series and you can see a hint of him becoming a good character. His relationship with Janeway is also really nice and underutilized.
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MikeJF posted:I like the Odyssey: the remodel and re-detail they did before using it in Picard matured the design and sorted out some of the old issues with it (various little things, like they flared the end of the tapering nacelles slightly to reduce the foreshortening effect the taper was prone to cause) and the greyer hull they used in the show version look nicer than the starker white and black hull they use in STO. The Odyssey remodel is better but I've always been partial to the Verity variant, which is much closer to the original fan submission from the contest that resulted in the Odyssey getting made in the first place. I never liked the triangular forward hull aesthetic or super-stretched nacelles, so Cryptic's version was always a step in the wrong direction.  Now that's a space whale I'd plant the flag on.
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Yeah, the Verity's pretty great. One of the nice things that these angles don't really show is that the Odysseys have a secondary hull that's very much its own distinct physical object, unlike the Sovereign or Intrepid, and that's something I really missed. It's a hull and a saucer connected with a neck. (Albeit a very divisive neck.) While I don't really like as an Enterprise per se, I also love the design of the Sojourner Odyssey variant, it's applying a lot of the Galaxy proportions to the Odyssey and just making it broad and the whaliest whale to have ever whaled.   
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McSpanky posted:The Odyssey remodel is better but I've always been partial to the Verity variant, which is much closer to the original fan submission from the contest that resulted in the Odyssey getting made in the first place. I never liked the triangular forward hull aesthetic or super-stretched nacelles, so Cryptic's version was always a step in the wrong direction. It looks like that secondary hull is a flat launching surface for smaller craft.
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Arivia posted:It looks like that secondary hull is a flat launching surface for smaller craft. Not really (and that spinal red banner is actually pretty common on starfleet ships) but it does actually launch a smaller craft at the very end, that's a docking port where it poops out a support ship, a super-runabout that can run its own independent missions.   https://twitter.com/_Pundus_/status/1709199936565522455 MikeJF fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Oct 30, 2023 |
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Yeah, a spinal red double line is on what, the TMP Connie Refit? Or is it just the A? Either way it also poops a smaller ship out of its butt. THANK YOU STARFLEET
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Arivia posted:Yeah, a spinal red double line is on what, the TMP Connie Refit? Or is it just the A? Well all starfleet ships have a double line red banner somewhere, often on the nacelles, but I think specifically a spinal double red line was on the E and Voyager. The D had a single red line down its spine. Honestly, it makes sense to have a mid-size deployable support ship, there's a lot of times in TNG where they're doing something that feels like they're just holding up this ship of a thousand people but it's too big for a runabout mission. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Oct 30, 2023 |
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Oct 30, 2023 11:36
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Thinking about all the times Keiko trolls O'Brien by making him eat atrocious food, you'd think he could walk 5 steps and replicate himself whatever he wants but she is simply too powerful for him to stand against.
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Pwnstar posted:Thinking about all the times Keiko trolls O'Brien by making him eat atrocious food, you'd think he could walk 5 steps and replicate himself whatever he wants but she is simply too powerful for him to stand against. Replicators murdered the family dinner.
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MikeJF posted:Replicators murdered the family dinner. I mean the post you're quoting is evidence that they didn't?
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, the Verity's pretty great. One of the nice things that these angles don't really show is that the Odysseys have a secondary hull that's very much its own distinct physical object, unlike the Sovereign or Intrepid, and that's something I really missed. It's a hull and a saucer connected with a neck. (Albeit a very divisive neck.) Forgot about the Sojourner, that one's pretty great too! I think Sojourner hull with Verity nacelles and TNG detailing was my main endgame cruiser for a while, actually. MikeJF posted:Well all starfleet ships have a double line red banner somewhere, often on the nacelles, but I think specifically a spinal double red line was on the E and Voyager. The D had a single red line down its spine. The D's double banner livery was on the ventral secondary hull, which obviously made it difficult to see from most shooting angles, but it was on the model: 
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Ah, yeah, I forgot about that one: it also has more obvious ones on top of the nacelles.
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MikeJF posted:Replicators murdered the family dinner. When Miles is fondly remembering home cooked dinners that his mother made him back in the day and Keiko is like "she touched raw meat with her hands!?!" Surely even with sonic showers we still have hand washing technology in the future.
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about to see a whole lot of Galaxys get blown up, just getting to the end of S6E5 of DS9 good poo poo
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Foxfire_ posted:If you go back to very early Voyager, it seems to me like Beltran is emoting "I do not like or trust any of you Starfleet people but have no better options" in the background. Then you can watch him slowly give up over time into generic Starfleet XO as the script gives him nothing to work with. The scene where he decks the Maquis dude that's acting up is low key pretty great and does a lot to establish Chakotay as someone who understands that he's straddling two worlds and needs to make it work. ...and there probably aren't even three scenes in total like that throughout the entire series because the writers just utterly gave up on him. Although, I guess it's kind of a mercy killing given the alternative.
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Feldegast42 posted:The main appeal of Voyager nowadays is that it's comfort food trek
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Aces High posted:oh drat, wasn't expecting Ziyal to bite it Welcome to "Gul Dukat's Super Slide Into Oblivion". The ride never ends.
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Aces High posted:oh drat, wasn't expecting Ziyal to bite it Saved them the trouble of finding a fourth actress to play her.
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Paradoxish posted:The scene where he decks the Maquis dude that's acting up is low key pretty great and does a lot to establish Chakotay as someone who understands that he's straddling two worlds and needs to make it work. every Voyager character basically has two "things", Chakotay's were "Maquis leader" and "kinda Mayan", and you could tell that the writers got sick of both ideas really early on even in the Seska episodes in season 3, Chakotay was mostly just there to frown and feel betrayed rather than have any active role in the plot
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I like how by season 6, sometimes Chakotay doesn’t even have any lines.
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It’s bizarre how he’s almost written out of the show at the end, until they throw him into that weird ‘relationship’ with Seven out of nowhere
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Atlas Hugged posted:My jaw dropped at some of the language Tom Paris was using when talking to Chakotay during Caretaker. "Can't you turn into a bird or something?" Yowzas. Starfleet Intelligence discovered that if you ask a Changeling if they can turn into a bird, they're compelled to do it in order to show off. Paris was surreptitiously testing Chakotay.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s bizarre how he’s almost written out of the show at the end, until they throw him into that weird ‘relationship’ with Seven out of nowhere Eh, not really, given how Beltran loving hated the role and being on the show but couldn't get out of his contract so he just stopped giving a poo poo and started phoning in nearly every episode. Even a writers room as dense as Voyager's would have to realize eventually "Uuh, let's just kinda stop giving this guy stuff to do..."
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The Chairman posted:every Voyager character basically has two "things", Chakotay's were "Maquis leader" and "kinda Mayan", and you could tell that the writers got sick of both ideas really early on ...And the actor there to collect bigger and bigger paycheck to not do much. He for whatever reason kept getting raises, even if he didn't have that much to do and actually wanted to be kicked out because of his ridiculous salary demands so he would be free to do something else. And yes I know Beltran is a MAGA shithead or something, but gotta respect his attitude on that.
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If the show went on for another season Chakotay would have started doing this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA90rOwmkJ4
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Der Kyhe posted:...And the actor there to collect bigger and bigger paycheck to not do much. He for whatever reason kept getting raises, even if he didn't have that much to do and actually wanted to be kicked out because of his ridiculous salary demands so he would be free to do something else. Yeah, Beltran is like right on the dividing line between "wow what a shithead  " and "you know, he's actually got a point  ". It's weird as poo poo, but that's human nature for ya.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s bizarre how he’s almost written out of the show at the end, until they throw him into that weird ‘relationship’ with Seven out of nowhere I know Mulgrew had her own issues with it at the time, but at least she did keep her spotlight, she just had to share it more.
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Zedd posted:Isn't the rumour they did that because he didn't particularly got along with Ryan / was upset about 7o9 pretty much taking his second main character role? I think Beltran got along with and to this day is still well-liked by the whole cast, I'd only heard that it was Mulgrew who had the issue with Ryan and it was because she had a bunch of poo poo going on in her private life and took it out on Ryan in her work life.
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Zedd posted:Isn't the rumour they did that because he didn't particularly got along with Ryan / was upset about 7o9 pretty much taking his second main character role? Yeah, she had issues and was really assholish about it, flubbing lines causing reshoots and stuff because she knew Ryan was really uncomfortable in her outfit, but I think Mulgrew and Ryan made up later and fixed their relationship. Both have done voice-overs on Star Trek Online later on so if it indicates anything, they at least can live with it.
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nine-gear crow posted:I think Beltran got along with and to this day is still well-liked by the whole cast, I'd only heard that it was Mulgrew who had the issue with Ryan and it was because she had a bunch of poo poo going on in her private life and took it out on Ryan in her work life. Der Kyhe posted:Yeah, she had issues and was really assholish about it, flubbing lines causing reshoots and stuff because she knew Ryan was really uncomfortable in her outfit, but I think Mulgrew and Ryan made up later and fixed their relationship. Right, I know Mulgrew was an rear end in a top hat about it and she did apologize later on and they are cordial/fine now. But yeah in that case no Idea why they did Chakotey and 7 except cause why the gently caress not.
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I think I read somewhere that one of Beltran’s increasingly and intentionally stupid demands was for Chakotay to get with Seven. Naturally, the producers also handed him that, much to his bewilderment.
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FuturePastNow posted:akoocheemoya I watched this episode yesterday and it's very much an episode of Star Trek that was made.
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