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Panfilo posted:Because Stan Edgar adopted her and he has major PR control. It'd be nice if they didn't vilify the guy with mental illness by putting him immediately on the side of supe supremacists literally the instant he is introduced to the concept.
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Oct 28, 2023 11:29
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Sheltered, ignorant white kid with anger management issues and a chip on his shoulder immediately joins hate group when they show him just an ounce of friendship and warp his preexisting hatereds. Just completely unrealistic imo
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Oct 28, 2023 13:33
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Panfilo posted:Sam seemed to drink the Kool aid a little too quick, though-I'd figure his time with Emma would soften him He’s known Emma for all of like 2 nights lol Meanwhile he’s been tortured and held captive by non supes for what seems to be the better part of his life
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Oct 28, 2023 13:43
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I really liked this shot.
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Oct 28, 2023 13:43
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The only thing I find silly is all the MAGA supes crying that neuman is a cop. They love those guys!!!
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Oct 28, 2023 13:45
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PostNouveau posted:I don't really like Sam, and I don't know what Emma sees in him. Lost puppy.
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Oct 28, 2023 15:37
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Ibram Gaunt posted:The only thing I find silly is all the MAGA supes crying that neuman is a cop. They love those guys!!! They use "cop" but a more accurate slur would be "fed", because they see Bureaucrats like Neumann as these out of touch petty tyrants that exist only to deny Supes their freedom. They love cops, sure, but it's cops on a very local level like sheriff's departments since these types of cops tend to exert a degree of autonomy separate from the typical learned attorney generals or federal judges.
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Oct 28, 2023 17:00
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Rufus must have super healing powers because he has shrugged off a dick explosion and hedge trimmers through the shoulder like a champion. Still in full dirtbag mode.
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Oct 28, 2023 18:19
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If Newman got a drop of Edison's blood on her, could he have been a carrier for the anti-supe disease? Is that going to be enough to potentially make her sick? I realize that isn't what fluid exchange actually means, but the choose to draw attention to that drop of blood on her.
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Oct 29, 2023 01:24
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Even if not that droplet, what about all the infected people in the Woods? Were they killed/cremated off-screen? Any of them could serve to spread it around if they get out/get rescued by Marie and the others.
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Oct 29, 2023 01:42
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As if unchecked free market capitalism would somehow produce a privately run illegal bio-weapons lab that exposes the public to a plague because the containment systems were designed by the lowest shady bidder. Preposterous.
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Oct 29, 2023 03:00
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Shyrka posted:Even if not that droplet, what about all the infected people in the Woods? Were they killed/cremated off-screen? Any of them could serve to spread it around if they get out/get rescued by Marie and the others. Yeah it requiring direct fluid transfer means it would need to be at a place where people transfer fluids with lots of other random people and disregard the warning signs of getting sick to really spread.
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Oct 29, 2023 03:07
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pik_d posted:If Newman got a drop of Edison's blood on her, could he have been a carrier for the anti-supe disease? Is that going to be enough to potentially make her sick? I realize that isn't what fluid exchange actually means, but the choose to draw attention to that drop of blood on her. That's the one aspect of the virus subplot that didn't gel for me. That and Vicky not asking if he'd developed a cure to cover his own rear end before she took possession of the virus and popped his head. If COVID taught people anything about viruses, it's that they don't tend to "behave" or "play nice." Superpowered people might be altered at the genetic level by Compound V, but they still have a human genetic base. So it would stand to reason that a virus that's haphazardly let out into the world wouldn't just infect those it was designed to after it had a chance to get into a few million Supe petri dishes, and any virologist/geneticist would know that. If there's anything believable about the virus subplot, it's how someone who knows nothing about viruses but holds the reins/purse strings would keep "feature creeping" the end product. TL;DR: She shouldn't have much to worry about from the speck of dude she got on her arm (not even the Rage Virus from 28 Days/Weeks Later had through-skin infectivity), but when she blows up a guy's head, it's probably going to aerosolize particles of his tissues/blood, even if she doesn't get any on her. Claudia Doumit's too good of an actress and too much of an asset to the main show to write her off so easily, so she'll probably be fine.
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Oct 29, 2023 05:28
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They're not going to kill off a major character from The Boys in this sideshow, so she has plot armour. I'm wondering if this plotline was planned out after covid started - we've all seen that airborne viruses are really hard to contain, and widespread viruses mutate unpredictably. Other than Dr. Cardosa drunkenly explaining the plan where the main characters could conveniently overhear, I liked this episode. But that was really contrived.
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Oct 29, 2023 06:06
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Chamale posted:. I'm wondering if this plotline was planned out after covid started. Yes, definitely.
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Oct 29, 2023 07:15
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BlackIronHeart posted:I know, I know, I shouldn't expect them to be smart about the media they consume but geez it's frustrating. Coming to such a realization would require self awareness, ergo they will never get the joke
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Oct 29, 2023 08:32
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TIP posted:magneto (at least in the movies) was never able to control blood, he was only able to rip metal out of that security guard because mystique injected a bunch of poo poo into him ahead of time Magneto also doesn’t actually just have magnetic powers most of the time, he often has telekinesis over any metals.
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Oct 30, 2023 04:21
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For a series that loves to mock the MCU, they really did fall into the same Marvel villain trap of "oh this character has very compelling ideals... but we need to make them a villain so let's make them want to commit genocide."
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Oct 30, 2023 10:29
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I mean we've known she's imprisoning and torturing kids since like episode 1 or 2 so I don't think there was a villain turn on that reveal.
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Oct 30, 2023 15:37
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imprisoning and torturing supes to trying to find a way to kill them in The Boys universe is usually more indicative of being a protagonist lol
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Oct 30, 2023 15:46
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Fellatio del Toro posted:imprisoning and torturing supes to trying to find a way to kill them in The Boys universe is usually more indicative of being a protagonist lol
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Oct 30, 2023 15:48
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It was dumb to try to give Shetty a sympathetic backstory when absolutely everything about her character and actions would have worked 1000% better if she was just another willing cog in the system, and the viral research was entirely under Vought's direction as another method of control and a panic button to get rid of supes if things got out of hand. With the ethnicity and accent I thought she might have been a sort of Suella Braverman expy, the sort who gleefully joins with the oppressor if it means they can take a turn wearing the boot for just a half second.
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Oct 30, 2023 15:59
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:It was dumb to try to give Shetty a sympathetic backstory when absolutely everything about her character and actions would have worked 1000% better if she was just another willing cog in the system, and the viral research was entirely under Vought's direction as another method of control and a panic button to get rid of supes if things got out of hand. It would have been a bit weird. Homelander is essentially in control of Vought through Ashley now. If Gen V took place during Stan Edgar's reign, they could have easily made it part of his plan to get Vought out of superheroes and into temp V pharma sales.
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Oct 30, 2023 16:02
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It could still work as a holdover/legacy from Edgar's run, held so tight to his chest that Ashley didn't know about it (yet). Some tension in the season could have come from the core cast trying to break Sam out before losing him forever as the lab makes plans to move/go way underground (for fear of Homelander finding out).
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Oct 30, 2023 16:17
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I never got the impression that Ashley has much control or even knowledge of what the various arms of the company do. It actually seems like a purposeful narrative demonstration of institutional rot, leading to extremely cruel organizations basically working on inertia and autopilot.
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Oct 30, 2023 16:30
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The Deep is in charge of that part and he got rid of all the competent staff
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Oct 30, 2023 17:34
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The thing that I think worked in the first season of Dexter was the way that they shot the killings like a horror movie from the perspective of Dexter's victims. It created this sort of uncomfortable dissonance between the part of your brain that kind of wants to root for the protagonist to catch the pedophile being at odds with the part of your brain that understands the language of film and feels sympathy for the person being hunted and murdered I was really hoping that Gen V was going to try and play in that same space. By sort of reframing this universe from the perspective of a like a coming of age superhero story where the kids stumble onto some really dark poo poo, the viewer should be slowly realizing that they're actually at odds with the protagonists of the other show and be left to stew in that tension. The show clearly recognized that dissonance was there but, rather than embracing a more compelling perspective, decides "uh oh, this tension needs to be resolved!" and has a goofy scene where Shetty calls up The Boys so that they can say "no thanks Mrs Hitler, too evil for us!" To me it was a disappointing cop out that just left Shetty feeling like not much more than a standard comic villain with a splash of The Boys™️ dark edginess Not to get too backseat writer or whatever but really just like: Vought researching ways to suppress/control supes -> Shetty realizes this can be made contagious to shut down superpowers worldwide -> contacts The Boys for help -> The Boys worry it's not enough for Homelander, needs to be more powerful -> oops, now we have a genocidal supervirus gets you to basically the same place, but having a more compelling tension with the themes of The Boys, Cate's actions making a lot more sense, Shetty being a more tragic figure, and the kids being a lot more conflicted about Shetty's death and feeling disillusioned with the superheroes vs villains poo poo they grew up on
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Oct 30, 2023 18:18
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Fellatio del Toro posted:has a goofy scene where Shetty calls up The Boys so that they can say "no thanks Mrs Hitler, too evil for us!" No way Butcher wouldn't jump on the supe-killing virus were it not for Ryan.
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Oct 30, 2023 18:37
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Fellatio del Toro posted:Not to get too backseat writer or whatever but really just like: Why would you want Shetty to be a more tragic figure? She thinks that killing supes is good because they are supes, and that is the full-on Hitler argument - no amount of nurture can make them good because their very nature is corrupt.
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Oct 30, 2023 18:39
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Jedit posted:Why would you want Shetty to be a more tragic figure? She thinks that killing supes is good because they are supes, and that is the full-on Hitler argument - no amount of nurture can make them good because their very nature is corrupt. I mean I think I explained why I felt that it would make for more compelling television in the section of the quote you deleted. To expand on things a bit more though: The second episode of The Boys has the protagonists capturing, torturing, experimenting on, shoving a bomb up the rear end of, and killing a superhero as part of their plan to eradicate superheroes. I'm not really sure how the spinoff of a show that spends so much time dealing with the internal conflict of characters struggling to walk that path can conclude, seemingly without introspection, that actually Shetty is Just A Hitler. Clearly the creators of the show also recognized this, or they wouldn't have included the scene with Mallory Beyond that I think it just kind of contradicts a lot of the The Boys' take on the superhero genre in general, especially the whole narrative around superheroes vs villains being a fiction meant to sell a product. In Gen V you have a group of kids who grew up watching Vought News, seeing Vought superhero movies, literally having a superhero dad, and have probably completely bought into the superheroes vs villains narrative. When they experience their own origin story however, it's horrible, traumatic, and not at all in line with what they've been led to believe a hero is supposed to be, and so they keep it hidden away. Then they stumble onto their own little Nancy Drew mystery where they finally get to play real superheroes trying to catch the villain, but in the process discover that their parents lied to them, the school isn't what it seems, Vought is doing bad poo poo, they all have horrible origin stories, and maybe all this superhero poo poo is completely hosed. What's the resolution to the mystery though? That the concept of villains they learned from watching movies was basically spot on?
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Oct 30, 2023 21:33
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There Bias Two posted:Or give them a massive blood clot in their brain/heart/etc. Honestly I felt this when the senator exploded the guy's brain. Like, it felt gratuitous and also out of character for what had been built up — I got the sense she would have gone for blood clot over anything else.
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Oct 30, 2023 22:26
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Fellatio del Toro posted:To me it was a disappointing cop out that just left Shetty feeling like not much more than a standard comic villain with a splash of The Boys™️ dark edginess What bothered me is that "supes killed my family, therefore I want to kill every last one" is just Butcher with a coat of paint. They didn't even change the country of origin, they just slapped a pair of headlights in front.
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Oct 30, 2023 22:26
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I think Sam has plenty of reason to be a super supremacist. He literally sees everyone as puppets. In the tunnel scene, he effortlessly defeated crack swat team of normals. Sam has fought the rest of the group twice (three times if you include the pilot), he’s probably gonna be the villain of the last episode. Which they did a fair job of building towards.
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Oct 31, 2023 01:27
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PostNouveau posted:No way Butcher wouldn't jump on the supe-killing virus were it not for Ryan. Nah, he'd still jump on it just so every other member of the Boys could look on horrified and call him a maniac while doing very little to actually stop him. Then Hughie'd jump in and flush it all down the toilet or something equally dumb.
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Oct 31, 2023 15:58
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I doubt the supe killing virus would kill all supes, or even most of them. After the initial outbreak they'd disperse and have a low enough population density to put the R value below 1. They would have to be careful about people trying to infect them, but normal people can be killed with guns so eh. This all goes out the window if normal people can carry the disease without symptoms. Im not a virologist but I lived through a pandemic so that makes me an internet expert.
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Oct 31, 2023 17:46
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Outrail posted:I doubt the supe killing virus would kill all supes, or even most of them. counterpoint: as soon as A-train gets infected he's going to run around deliberately coughing on everyone who ever offended him
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Oct 31, 2023 17:55
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Car Hater posted:counterpoint: as soon as A-train gets infected he's going to run around deliberately coughing on everyone who ever offended him Oh, yeah. Disregard my post.
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Oct 31, 2023 18:11
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Cate went from 0 to Magneto pretty loving quick. I can understand not wanting innocent people to get hurt, but lmao at Marie saving the board of directors from Vought. Also her big moment was a huge letdown. All that just to shoot some blood daggers? That finale was loving bad.
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Nov 3, 2023 01:56
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Alchenar posted:It's been like 5 days. You say that like minorities don't already bond this fast IRL. When you're part of the same social category and that social category is one associated with a shitton of stigma, isolation, trauma, etc. you tend to bond a fuckton faster than normal. It's so much easier to splurge every detail of your life to someone you've met at a bar if they're one of the few people you've met in your life that will absolutely "get it". There's a reason why "U-Haul Gay" is a term lmao alexandriao fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Nov 3, 2023 02:48
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Cool ep.
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