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Shastahanshah posted:I don't get it, which is the Char option..? the first option will probably lead to a lot of charred things 
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biosterous posted:the first option will probably lead to a lot of charred things So just to be clear, all the "burn it with fire" votes are specifically requesting that Bisby uses a Firebat/Hellion/Perdition Turret force, right? 
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Oct 29, 2023 18:49
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On the one hand, fear the alien. On the other hand, purge the unclean. As an answer, I refer you to the First Book of Indocrinations: To be Unclean This is the mark of the Mutant To be Impure This is the mark of the Mutant To be Abhorred This is the mark of the Mutant To be Reviled This is the mark of the Mutant To be Hunted This is the mark of the Mutant To be Purged This is the mark of the Mutant To be Cleansed This is the mark of the Mutants
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Oct 29, 2023 19:33
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man, emperor mengsk got into some pretty hosed up poo poo huh
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Oct 29, 2023 19:38
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Kith posted:man, emperor mengsk got into some pretty hosed up poo poo huh Mengsk rebuilding Korhal into Trantor in four years stretches belief enough without us claiming he's also gotten into a serious 40k habit, do you know how expensive that stuff is?
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Oct 29, 2023 22:58
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I vote to help Hanson. Selendis sounds so excited to go head to head against Raynor, let's not deprive her of that opportunity.
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Oct 29, 2023 23:00
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bladededge posted:Mengsk rebuilding Korhal into Trantor in four years stretches belief enough without us claiming he's also gotten into a serious 40k habit, do you know how expensive that stuff is? Rebuilding Korhal like that is just the investment. Now he can afford his little armies in perpetuity off of a city-planet's tax base.
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Oct 30, 2023 00:06
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While SC2's constantly oscillating scale is clearly inspired by the idiocy of warhammer, the pablum of optimism is at least preferable to the pablum of fascist purge stories. Help Hanson.
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Oct 30, 2023 02:22
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honestly selendis is seriously hosed up if you think about it for a moment. like... different game, but awkward zombie put it better than i ever could: sure marines are brainwashed murderers so their deaths don't matter and zealots teleport home upon receiving a grievous wound so they'll be fine (and possibly upgraded to Sweet Robot Body), but there's still a ton of other manpower and materiel that would be lost in such a clash. this isn't a friendly sparring match between ryu and ken, this is hundreds of casualties at the absolute minimum, and selendis is hype about that.
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Oct 30, 2023 04:23
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IIRC, the Protoss can’t make dragoons any more, and all of the already existing ones got retrofitted into Immortals (with no indication that they can make new wounded warriors into Immortals), so any Zealots getting killed or maimed here would be doing it for absolutely nothing.
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Oct 30, 2023 04:37
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Kerrigan has a line on Fenix's death at the end of SCBW that went something to the effect of "He died gloriously in battle like every Protoss wants to, don't player hate on me for giving him what he wanted." Kerrigan may not be the most reliable narrator, but he was always pretty gung-ho about fights before that so it's a line that rings true. Might just be that most warrior Protoss have no issue throwing their lives away if it's a good fight.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure any of the protoss that would hypothetically die in the battle against Raynor would be just as stoked to do that as Selendis is. Reminds me a bit of the Varl from The Banner Saga who have this as kind of a theme - there's no indication they ever die of old age, but that doesn't mean you're going to live forever. Might as well make sure that when you do go out you're doing something cool. Of course, this doesn't apply to the terrans who would die in this fight, but that's why Selendis is offering him the choice to not have it.
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Tenebrais posted:Yeah I'm pretty sure any of the protoss that would hypothetically die in the battle against Raynor would be just as stoked to do that as Selendis is. Reminds me a bit of the Varl from The Banner Saga who have this as kind of a theme - there's no indication they ever die of old age, but that doesn't mean you're going to live forever. Might as well make sure that when you do go out you're doing something cool. All he has to do is butcher his own people. It would make a lot of sense to try doing the cure while preparing for a purge if it doesn't work; and it would make for a much better, more engaging story.
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To be fair, post-infestation they're not really his people anymore and in the few voice lines infested terrans have had "kill me" was one of them.  Also we have given doc as much time as is possible to cure it and she still hasn't. The protoss are surprisingly impatient given their long lifespans. But since we have collected these artifacts that can somehow save Kerrigan we should be able to use that to save everyone else who also got infested no problem. 
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Oct 30, 2023 14:05
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He also doesn't really have to do it. Raynor-the-character has an option that we aren't given, as players, which is just to let the Protoss handle it like they were going to before he showed up. He and his troops could just leave right now.
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Oct 30, 2023 14:38
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idonotlikepeas posted:He also doesn't really have to do it. Raynor-the-character has an option that we aren't given, as players, which is just to let the Protoss handle it like they were going to before he showed up. He and his troops could just leave right now. Arguably we have in fact been taking that option for most of the campaign. I guess if we actually did go to Char without touching Haven then in-story the protoss would just glass the planet.
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Oct 30, 2023 14:53
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Poil posted:
One-use only.
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Oct 30, 2023 16:58
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wologar posted:One-use only. More like "MacGuffin that does what the plot needs it to do at a specific point in time, no more and no less." It's probably the most emblematic piece of Blizzard not thinking this through all the way before they started writing.
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Aren't the zerg a form of parasite that infest larger organisms to control? And not a virus at all? It sounds like Dr Scientist is bigging up one small part of zerg infestation by making it seem like a cureall so she can get extra funding. I bet her results are like "In 44% of mice treated with Zerganol formation of zerg tissue proceeded 11% more slowly after infestation". Which isn't to say what she's doing isn't important but I'm not sure it's human test subjects with live zerg important.
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Oct 30, 2023 22:20
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I think the idea of a contagious zerg virus is meant to be a new development - possibly some weapon Kerrigan is testing out. Zerg were initially worm-like creatures with extremely volatile DNA, able to assimilate DNA of other creatures and mutate into their forms (helped in major ways by the Xel'naga - this will be on the test). That said, they were able to infest other creatures and change them as we saw with infested terrans, so I suspect they did develop some viral mechanisms for this kind of hostile takeover. I'm not entirely clear if Kerrigan was a special case when it came to assimilating a living creature, but I think it's something they were hoping to do to a living protoss.
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Tenebrais posted:I think the idea of a contagious zerg virus is meant to be a new development - possibly some weapon Kerrigan is testing out. Zerg were initially worm-like creatures with extremely volatile DNA, able to assimilate DNA of other creatures and mutate into their forms (helped in major ways by the Xel'naga - this will be on the test). It's a little weird and not entirely clear, but I believe the general canon is that the process in SC1 and the process seen here in SC2 are different. Expanded universe books make it clear that Kerrigan is either trying to figure out the process that created her or trying replicate it for some unknown purpose. As for being a 'special case', to speak more on that would be spoilers for future content so I will avoid too much, but the answer is 'yes'.
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Look, I understand you all have a lot of questions about the Zerg virus and the artifact, and I'm here to... [glances at notes, which consist of one crumpled up sheet of paper covered in scribbled-out nonsense with the word "XEL-NAGA!(?)" written at the bottom in crayon] uh,
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megane posted:Look, I understand you all have a lot of questions about the Zerg virus and the artifact, and I'm here to... It's worse than that, there are actual answers.
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[shakily turns the paper over to find it's completely covered in incredibly-dense handwriting in blood-red ink]
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megane posted:[shakily turns the paper over to find it's completely covered in incredibly-dense handwriting in blood-red crayon]
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CheeseThief posted:Aren't the zerg a form of parasite that infest larger organisms to control? And not a virus at all? It sounds like Dr Scientist is bigging up one small part of zerg infestation by making it seem like a cureall so she can get extra funding. I bet her results are like "In 44% of mice treated with Zerganol formation of zerg tissue proceeded 11% more slowly after infestation". Which isn't to say what she's doing isn't important but I'm not sure it's human test subjects with live zerg important. The SC1 canon is that the Zerg are basically like the Annelids from System Shock 2. You've got a lil' worm parasite that climbs into the victim's spine and lives off their nutrients while also being able to mutate them and tell them what to do(the two latter were, I think, post-Xel'naga fuckery with the species). There's no virus or anything of the sort going on. But uh, Heart of the Swarm will teach us some new things about the Zerg that will make everyone sad.
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What was with 90s sci fi and worms that control hosts? We have the Zerg, the Many, the Yeerks, probably more I am forgetting.
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How dare you overlook the gou’auld? And the trill I guess?
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PurpleXVI posted:The SC1 canon is that the Zerg are basically like the Annelids from System Shock 2. You've got a lil' worm parasite that climbs into the victim's spine and lives off their nutrients while also being able to mutate them and tell them what to do(the two latter were, I think, post-Xel'naga fuckery with the species). There's no virus or anything of the sort going on. Yeah I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what Heart of the Swarm thinks "a Zerg" is. But that's for another time.
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gohuskies posted:Yeah I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what Heart of the Swarm thinks "a Zerg" is. But that's for another time. Everything that's "revealed" about Zerg biology in Heart of the Swarm is (MAJOR SPOILERS!!!) Stetmann's Red Bull-induced scientific fever dream and none of it actually happened and therefore absolutely no retcons occurred in the making of this game but I'll let Bisby cover that in more detail on their own time.
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idonotlikepeas posted:He also doesn't really have to do it. Raynor-the-character has an option that we aren't given, as players, which is just to let the Protoss handle it like they were going to before he showed up. He and his troops could just leave right now. Sure we can. We can ignore it and go to Char. I'm sure our homie Selendis has this under control.
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aniviron posted:What was with 90s sci fi and worms that control hosts? We have the Zerg, the Many, the Yeerks, probably more I am forgetting. there is an old line in philosophy that 90% of all Western philosophy is footnotes to Plato. it has a corollary we, as people in the Starcraft 2 thread on an internet forum that was last relevant in the mid-2000s, are painfully familiar with: 90% of sci-fi while we were growing up was footnotes to Star Trek: The Next Generation. and they had an episode where a bunch of scary mind control worms show up, threaten everybody, and then that entire plotline gets dropped like a sack of hammers on the grounds the worm sfx were too expensive, leaving an entire generation of nerds to be like "man I wish they did something with that"
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aniviron posted:What was with 90s sci fi and worms that control hosts? We have the Zerg, the Many, the Yeerks, probably more I am forgetting. also the bone leeches from Blood 2
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Oct 31, 2023 03:47
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And the brain worms in Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan.
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Turns out having your body turned into a puppet for a malicious force while all you can do is scream inside your own mind is good for horror.
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Yeah, sure, but why worms? Lots of things can do that. Babylon 5 did it with weird centipede things at least.
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Oct 31, 2023 05:15
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centipedes are just edgy worms
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aniviron posted:Yeah, sure, but why worms? Lots of things can do that. Babylon 5 did it with weird centipede things at least. cheaper on the special effects budget
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 Spoiler is (mostly mechanical?) post finishing the Wings of Liberty storyline, so don't hover unless you mean it. Experiment done. I had no idea that after the final mission, loading the victory save puts you directly into the mission archives, and if you close them it pops out to campaign selection screen. Bye bye Hyperion and even Char battle zone. I had thought that there might be some post-game play, but it's really not designed for that, huh? The important answer is that no, skipped missions cannot be done afterward without loading a save before the point of no return. Or at least not Haven, at any rate; might be different with non-splitting missions, but I doubt it.
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It has to be small, because it's subverting you insidiously rather than overpowering you. It should be creepy, so picking something relatively insectile is a good bet. It needs to be able to burrow because that's the analogy being used to get it into your body even if it enters through an opening, and that's something that worms are clearly designed for and good at. Not to mention the more subtle association that worms will devour your body after death. (Among other things, but worms are the one we use as a metaphor for this.) It's convergent evolution; there are just a lot of things to recommend a worm-like creature if you've already settled on "thing that invades you and takes over your brain".
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