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Non Compos Mentis posted:what does the thread think about moustaches on buses? that more people should be willing to give a moustache ride to my bussy
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Autisanal Cheese posted:hey ASIO dude what's your favourite Shapes flavour i like the cheese ones in the yellow box
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Bald Stalin posted:Join us, do something tangible! Don't listen to these do nothing just vote status quo libs, listen to the revolutionaries that were the real force for change in history and join us. Organizing, serving the people, building a revolutionary movement that will drive change is how things have and will improve. quote:Go on then, be specific. ?
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I’d be keen to know if the theory defines the term for revolutionaries working with regressive or the status quo? Just curious because we’ve got a bunch of revolutionaries here who happily sided with Dutton lmao
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Bald Stalin posted:Thr statement from the heart came from the ruling classes hand picked compradors. I can link you to further reading on it if you're genuinely interested in learning more. And yet was massively supported by indigenous voters? If the proposal was so terrible, why did it actually have grass root support among the directly affected community? Sorry ATSI folk, you aren't revolutionary enough for Bald Stalin. I'm also curious what more you think the 'far more' that female and indigenous enfranchisement campaigners were demanding that forced the government to acquiesce. The Suffragettes were certainly perceived as radical in their time, but their demands were actually pretty consistently focused on achieving simple democratic equality through a peaceful vote. They certainly weren't trying to revolt against the democratic system, they wanted to be a part of it. Same with indigenous suffrage. I don't think you even know what revolutionary means.
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Captain Theron posted:
The way they have been using it in this thread regarding The Voice vote is "I'm more ideologically pure than you, therefore a better person."
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https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1718590194402689324 Putting aside his demonisation of asylum seekers for a moment and just focusing on general immigration... didn't Howard more or less contentedly oversee the same 30 or 40 year bipartisan neoliberal policy of accepting migrants from basically wherever as long as they satisfied the qualifications for skills currently needed in the labour market? edit - this is a sincere question, 2007 was my first election so I grew up under him but I'm not au fait with the details of his tenure other than the policies I hated him for i.e. offshore processing, Workchoices, general culture war poo poo
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BrigadierSensible posted:The way they have been using it in this thread regarding The Voice vote is "I'm more ideologically pure than you, therefore a better person." While voting with loving Dutton. If that's what is required to be a revolutionary, then I want nothing to do with it. freebooter posted:https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1718590194402689324 Yeah, Howard has gone off the deep end in his old age. Don't get me wrong, he was always poo poo, but he used to be a pretty typical neo liberal, and now he's just a full on culture warrior. Captain Theron fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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Captain Theron posted:The Suffragettes were certainly perceived as radical in their time, but their demands were actually pretty consistently focused on achieving simple democratic equality through a peaceful vote. There was a lot of violence and bombings supporting the suffragette movement. There was violent force supporting the nonviolent push for change.
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hooman posted:There was a lot of violence and bombings supporting the suffragette movement. There was violent force supporting the nonviolent push for change. Oh, I am aware, but the end goal was to become a part of the democratic system, not to replace it. They were radical (for their time) but not revolutionary.
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Oct 31, 2023 03:15
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Captain Theron posted:Yeah, Howard has gone off the deep end in his old age. Don't get me wrong, he was always poo poo, but he used to be a pretty typical neo liberal, and now he's just a full on culture warrior. According to people I know who've met him he's always been a despicably racist oval office. It's not unusual for former prime ministers to drop some surprisingly hot takes once they're no longer bound by party lines.
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Captain Theron posted:Oh, I am aware, but the end goal was to become a part of the democratic system, not to replace it. They were radical (for their time) but not revolutionary. Do you really think that incorporation of the First Nations into a system explicitly created to disposses and exclude them is going to create good outcomes? Treaty isn't assimilation, it's synthesis, it's creating a system that works for all.
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hooman posted:Do you really think that incorporation of the First Nations into a system explicitly created to disposses and exclude them is going to create good outcomes? I'm confused by your question. Was indigenous enfranchisement a bad thing? While there are still many problems and I am fully in support of a treaty, I do think it is better that people are a part of the systems of power that govern them, yes.
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freebooter posted:https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1718590194402689324 Howard has been banging this drum since the 1980s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Australia#:~:text=It%20called%20for%20an%20end,immigration%20to%20Australia%20be%20reduced.
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it's never too late to remember that Howard is an absolute piece of poo poo
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Captain Theron posted:I'm confused by your question. Was indigenous enfranchisement a bad thing? While there are still many problems and I am fully in support of a treaty, I do think it is better that people are a part of the systems of power that govern them, yes. No, I'm saying there is a significant difference between inclusion (which nominally they have, as they can vote) and treaty. EDIT: To be clearer, I'm saying that the system of power that governs them does so in a way that is fundamentally misaligned with their values and needs.
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hooman posted:No, I'm saying there is a significant difference between inclusion (which nominally they have, as they can vote) and treaty. Well that is obviously true and the whole point of the Statement from the Heart, so I'm not sure what your contention is. If you mean that the historic mistreatment of First Nations by our government is why we should have opposed the Voice, I don't see how rejecting it is going to improve outcomes for indigenous people. Or why we should ignore that clearly a significant proportion of indigenous Australians supported the Voice and voting no told them bluntly that they weren't considered important enough to be listened to. Edit: Let's look at the Treaty of Waitangi as an example of what would probably come as the result of a national treaty. That didn't do away with a Westminster style parliament and lead to any sort of revolution. And nor are most indigenous people asking for a revolution or to do away with the commonwealth government. They are only asking to be better represented, to have a say in how they are impacted by laws and to protect their history, culture and customs That's not assimilation, it's the whole point of democratic government. Captain Theron fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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Captain Theron posted:Well that is obviously true and the whole point of the Statement from the Heart, so I'm not sure what your contention is. I think we are talking past each other here. I was in favour of the voice. Captain Theron posted:Oh, I am aware, but the end goal was to become a part of the democratic system, not to replace it. They were radical (for their time) but not revolutionary. I was trying to discuss (not necessarily disagree with) this statement. I'm pointing out that there is a difference between inclusion into a system (in your women voting example) and the kind of changes in a system that are a part of treaty which require more radical changes.
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Captain Theron posted:Oh, I am aware, but the end goal was to become a part of the democratic system, not to replace it. They were radical (for their time) but not revolutionary. That's not true. There were plenty of Marxist suffragettes, like Sylvia Plankhurstand the WSF in the UK who called for "an industrial republic on Soviet lines,"
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:That's not true. There were plenty of Marxist suffragettes, like Sylvia Plankhurstand the WSF in the UK who called for "an industrial republic on Soviet lines," Sure, and there are indigenous people opposed to the voice like Lidia Thorpe and Warren Mundine, but I was talking generally about the majority of the movement. I'm sure there were some minority who were arguing that only women should have the vote, or we should dissolve parliament entirely and live in anarchist communes, or that only landowning women should vote and all sorts of other permutations. But that doesn't change the main goal of the suffragettes.
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What's up with victoria's parole laws? from abc quote:
I'm not shedding a tear here, but using legislation to extend a non-parole period 5/10 years past the court decided NPP doesn't seem like good law, or getting one shot to apply for parole. Is there not some mechanism to oppose potential parole or appeal an insufficient NPP?
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We had like 2 or 3 murders by people on parole a decade ago so now everyone should be locked up forever.
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...Looking forwards to every racist prick shoving the No Vote down our throats at every chance they can get. Should we Change the Date of Invasion/Australia Day? - NO! HERE'S PROOF IT'S TOO DIVISIVE! Thank you too Albo for your strong leadership and clear messaging in a time of division and misinformation you worthless spineless oval office.
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thatbastardken posted:i like the cheese ones in the yellow box Cop
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ASIO man would you like to see some ponies?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:That's not true. There were plenty of Marxist suffragettes, like Sylvia Plankhurstand the WSF in the UK who called for "an industrial republic on Soviet lines," It's hard to say because Marxists and socialists and stuff where all just called anarchists for a long while
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Non Compos Mentis posted:ASIO man would you like to see some ponies? fucken oath i would, why do you think i hang around this thread
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Eediot Jedi posted:Is there not some mechanism to oppose potential parole or appeal an insufficient NPP? Yes, but the judges overseeing the application of any order or considering the arguments from the DPP are bound by existing jurisprudence and sentencing guidelines. By taking the power away from the court and vesting it in the parole board, you can be more certain of the outcome and also more certain that the outcome won't be influenced by the established processes of the courtroom. The implementation of Dangerous Offender (including Dangerous Sexual Offender) laws did the same thing; took away power from the courts and judges and assigned more power to the DPP (who reports respective state governments and are not an independent body). In the case of Dangerous Offender laws, the law already allowed for indefinite sentences for sexual offenders but judges have historically been really hesitant to apply these sorts of sentences. This sort of nibbling around the boundaries between state governments and the criminal court is really worrying; all philosophies around the purpose and role of criminal sanctions are predicated around the court being an independent body. But the people who are affected by these new laws tends to be populations who don't elicit a lot of sympathy, sex offenders, serial killers, etc...
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Eediot Jedi posted:What's up with victoria's parole laws? Near as I can tell this exists purely politically to stop victims from showing up to parole hearings and going through it again just so the parole board can reject them and then wait to do it all over again. The person this was specifically at ussue was the misogynist serial killer Paul Denyer who is never ever ever getting released but he comes up for parole often and the victims families are finding it retraumatising they have to keep getting called he might be released so have to go to the board to plea and remember the women he killed.
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I would simply keep a victim's family's statement on file, with the option of changing it at any time if they wanted. I guess that doesn't play as well for the Herald Sun crowd.
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Lid posted:The person this was specifically at ussue was the misogynist serial killer Paul Denyer who is never ever ever getting released but he comes up for parole often Surely no serial killers should be eligible for parole?
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freebooter posted:Surely no serial killers should be eligible for parole? it says no serial killers, we're allowed to have one.
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I've been making my way through the Child's Play series, and it behooves me to ask, what about multiple murderers
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Why did they only triple the bulk bill incentive for children, pensioners and concession card holder?
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Non Compos Mentis posted:Why did they only triple the bulk bill incentive for children, pensioners and concession card holder? stage three tax cuts go brrrrrrr
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Bookies, rich people, lose money in $100 million ponzi scheme. Suburban Lawyer in Ivanhoe dies happy because he looted a hundred million from bookies, bookmakers, football clubs (but I repeat myself) and other rich people. Har Har.
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Non Compos Mentis posted:Why did they only triple the bulk bill incentive for children, pensioners and concession card holder? Because gently caress you povo. In all seriousness, this is why.
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freebooter posted:Surely no serial killers should be eligible for parole? Sorry I was wrong, this is his first year of eligibility after serving a 30 to life sentence. But point is yeah he's never getting out and that he'd be kept up every year or so is yeah a waste. He specifically is a whole piece of work, 20 years ago he started to claim he was transgender and that he killed and raped due to gender dysmorphia and tgat he loved wonen, he didn't transition as it became a whole news thing, and once it left the papers he went back to being a man and sajd he always was. So yeah it crosses a whole lot of Herald Sun touchstones.
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