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The few success / survival stories seem to be from studios who essentially demoted themselves to indie or relied on fan crowdfunding in ways that were (at the time) a huge risk. Obsidian with Pillars, Digital Extremes with Warframe; I'm sure I've read a few stories of studios who shifted to smaller budget projects after realising they were one failed project away from getting destroyed. And then at the opposite end of the spectrum you have studios who threw in 100% with the publisher / corporate route and got loving destroyed, like Bioware, the most extreme example of ZA/UM & Disco Elysium, and now Bungie. It just feels like the model can't sustain itself, and it's frustrating when at one end of the equation you have devs being hired and fired on a per-game basis, and every penny possible being wrung out of players; and then at the other end you have Bobby loving Kotick getting more money than any of us will see in our entire lives as a bonus every time they fire a bunch of people or invent a new exploitative type of MTX.
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Oct 31, 2023 16:26
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Oct 31, 2023 18:09
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I got a sneaking suspicion that Bungie is going to start leaking like a sieve to the usual suspects as aggrieved employees start opening up on whatever hosed up mismanagement has lead to situations like the last couple of days
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Oct 31, 2023 18:20
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elpaganoescapa posted:I'm thinking Marathon is going on the chopping block also. I was looking forward to it but cannot actually imagine how could they make it a blockbuster, it's such a niche genre No. Marathon is what they're betting everything on. Nobody from Marathon got fired yesterday. The management expects it to do really well because they're pinning all their financial hopes on it. The issue is that it's being released to a crowded market, so it has to be far and away the best extraction shooter out there to sell and then continue to have engagement. And in it's defense the A-team at Bungie is working on it and multiplayer games aren't exactly out of their wheelhouse. Personally, I hope it fails because I'm petty. I think they should have invested more in Destiny. Not just because I'm a fan, but they captured lightning in a bottle and had a really successful games as service game that is unlike basically anything else out there. Realistically it has no competition. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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Oct 31, 2023 18:38
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Hopping on the extraction shooter train about 10 years late
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Oct 31, 2023 18:45
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Well, I guess that explains why the thread had so many new posts.
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Oct 31, 2023 18:47
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I think they should have invested more in Destiny. Not just because I'm a fan, but they captured lightning in a bottle and had a really successful games as service game that is unlike basically anything else out there. Realistically it has no competition.
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Oct 31, 2023 18:58
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Bobby Deluxe posted:They caught lightning in a bottle and then dropped that bottle so many times, by the end it was a coin battery balanced precariously on a shard of glass, with a post-it note attached saying LICK THE BATTERY 20 TIMES FOR A MILD BUZZ Yeah but the “lightning” here is that regardless of how bad they’ve screwed the pooch, people still want more Destiny. People don’t want Destiny to go away, they just want it to be good. It’s up there with WoW that way, in that the IP has real resiliency and mindshare. Ironically, WoW/Blizzard seems like they’re on the opposite track from Bungie, which is not how I saw things going a few years ago. I have significant doubts they’re going to repeat it with Marathon. Destiny was a really fortuitous blend of gameplay that invested you in an online identity and world-building that had a ton of different access points (do you like fantasy? Check! Do you like sci-fi? Sure! Are you just a person who likes guns? Come on in!). I just don’t think that extraction shooters can replicate that broad appeal. Someone else would have already done it, and the games that are in the space have captured the niche market that are jazzed about it.
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Oct 31, 2023 19:05
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victrix posted:https://twitter.com/PaulTassi/status/1719396652996317488?t=8Em9mABcw0LZF3MZRhbAQQ&s=19 If that's true then holy poo poo that's awful
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Oct 31, 2023 19:10
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If that is true please disregard my previous posts about still playing The Final Shape.
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Oct 31, 2023 19:12
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Getting laid off sucks but also that looks like the most absolute, utterly bog-standard layoff process of all time (in history)? No part of that looks unusual (and again getting laid off inherently is awful)
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Oct 31, 2023 19:13
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Maybe, but it sucks to hear it confirmed that the layoffs were decided by the leadership at Bungie itself rather than coming down from Sony
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Oct 31, 2023 19:20
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SgtSteel91 posted:Maybe, but it sucks to hear it confirmed that the layoffs were decided by the leadership at Bungie itself rather than coming down from Sony Doubly so when it sounds like they're laying off some important talent rather unceremoniously?
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Oct 31, 2023 19:26
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Oxyclean posted:rather unceremoniously? You have to do it that way. If you fire someone and say "oh jesus it sucks that we are firing you, you are seriously SO good at your job, can't believe how valuable you are to the team" you get sued.
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Oct 31, 2023 19:28
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drat that is rough if only there was some way to not endlessly sacrifice actual humans, product quality, etc. at the altar of endless “growth” and the unending thirst of capital???
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Oct 31, 2023 19:37
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Getting laid off sucks but also that looks like the most absolute, utterly bog-standard layoff process of all time (in history)? No part of that looks unusual (and again getting laid off inherently is awful) VanillaGorilla posted:Yeah but the “lightning” here is that regardless of how bad they’ve screwed the pooch, people still want more Destiny. People don’t want Destiny to go away, they just want it to be good. Many years ago Extra Credits did a great video comparing D1 to a kind of gaming 'comfort food' and how if you log on there's always something good to do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfhPNsQtaXo I was playing through Beyond Light to unlock stasis on an alt the other night and I did find myself missing just playing the game for that - story missions, patrols, using whatever guns seemed fun, unlocking new things.
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Oct 31, 2023 19:49
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Did you read the Tassi tweet about the shares, and announcing it on the 30th? Standard or not, that's pretty hosed. It is both standard and hosed, yes
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Oct 31, 2023 19:53
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:It is both standard and hosed, yes 
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Oct 31, 2023 19:55
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lol American employment laws are trash and non existent. It’s infuriating.
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Oct 31, 2023 20:16
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FlapYoJacks posted:lol American employment laws are trash and non existent. It’s infuriating. Yeah defending the complete lack of severance or redundancy is incredible ameribrain
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Oct 31, 2023 20:20
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Lol jesus they even got rid of Lorraine McLees. She had been doing art for them since Oni
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Oct 31, 2023 20:22
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Paracausal posted:complete lack of severance Source?
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Paracausal posted:Yeah defending the complete lack of severance or redundancy is incredible ameribrain If my employer wants to lay me off they have to prove my job is financially unviable for the company lol.
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Oct 31, 2023 20:24
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So we're not getting the disciple or doggo masks for bright dust then? Not the most pressing issue right now, I realise. E: Also ADA has Goldleaf, just incase you want the other best gold shader in the game. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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Oct 31, 2023 20:38
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FlapYoJacks posted:lol American employment laws are trash and non existent. It’s infuriating. Yeah. Learning they pulled the "1 day of benefits" scheme so they don't have to pay insurance while Liana Ruppert was recently diagnosed with cancer literally boils my blood in anger.
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Oct 31, 2023 20:39
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Not this year! That is a product designed to harvest actual cash money dollars, not to drive engagement
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Oct 31, 2023 20:39
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Yeah. Learning they pulled the "1 day of benefits" scheme so they don't have to pay insurance while Liana Ruppert was recently diagnosed with cancer literally boils my blood in anger. The 1 day of benefits is not related to health insurance. She'll enroll in cobra and be bankrupted by the cost of care no different than if she was still employed by bungie
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I feel I can swing simultaneously being angry at Bungie for eliminating her from her position needlessly in her time of greatest need simply to appease the god of "number going up!!" and the American healthcare industry. Which is concentrated evil.
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Oct 31, 2023 20:44
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https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1719445792505647373?s=20 Some more light shed on this whole mess Highlights: * ~100 people laid off, 8% of staff * Missing revenue targets by 45% * Weak player retention after Lightfall * Final Shape getting "good not great" feedback, delayed for improvement * Some cut roles are getting outsourced * "The layoffs are part of a larger money-saving initiative at Sony’s PlayStation unit, which has also cut employees at studios such as Naughty Dog, Media Molecule and its San Mateo office."
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Oct 31, 2023 21:26
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quote:* Missing revenue targets by 45% mamma mia
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FlapYoJacks posted:45%? RIP No kidding, that's apocalyptic since Bungie has nothing else to support themselves with
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Oct 31, 2023 21:30
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I mean the question is how high were their revenue targets, and why isn’t studio management being held to account for a whiff that big?
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VanillaGorilla posted:I mean the question is how high were their revenue targets, and why isn’t studio management being held to account for a whiff that big? When has management ever been held to account for something like this?
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quote:Employees who were let go will receive at least three months of severance and three months of Bungie-paid COBRA health insurance, although other benefits, such as expense reimbursements, ended Monday, sending some staff racing to submit their receipts.
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VanillaGorilla posted:management being held to account lmao
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45%?! Holy poo poo, that is way worse than I thought .
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