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CapnAndy posted:LaFleur’s seat has to be getting at least mildly toasty by now, right? I think Gb are the youngest or 2nd youngest team in the league with Love in his "prove you're an actual QB" year. I guess it depends on how well liked he is by the brass. If they think Loves the problem - he's fine for at least another year, if they think Love is hampered by LaFluer's offense or whatever, he's getting warm and quickly. Everything I've heard about Love is in the lines of "looks like a, walks like a, talks like a, but isn't" and while he flashed his first two games - it kind of seems like by the time coaches got any kind of film on him they've been able to cause him fits. It made sense to roll for a year with the roster as young as it is but I think they really need to show that they're building to something. If they can get their runningbacks healthy and the defense comes together a little more toward the back end he might be fine. BlindSite fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Oct 30, 2023 |
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CapnAndy posted:LaFleur’s seat has to be getting at least mildly toasty by now, right? I would think so, but instead of an owner, the Packers have a CEO or president or whatever, and he’s contractually obligated to retire in 2025 when he turns 70, so they may just roll with the Gutekunst/LaFleur era until then and let the next guy clean house. 
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Even if Murphy wasn't retiring, LaFleur doesn't go unless Gutekunst does.
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CapnAndy posted:LaFleur’s seat has to be getting at least mildly toasty by now, right? I feel like this whole year is kind of being treated as his "first" year because of no Rodgers, so I doubt he's going anywhere this year. Plus, if it's not, then you can point to a ridiculous winning percentage with Rodgers.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Even if Murphy wasn't retiring, LaFleur doesn't go unless Gutekunst does. I wouldn’t want LaFleur to be fired without Gutekunst also being fired, but it also wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they jettisoned LaFleur and kept Gutekunst around to hire a replacement HC and squander our highest first-round pick since we drafted AJ Hawk. 
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I feel like LaFleur really should be on the hot seat, but he's got that same mediocre white dude sheen as someone like a Josh McDaniels, so he'll stick around for a while still.
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BlindSite posted:If ... the defense comes together a little more toward the back end he might be fine.
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Armitage posted:I just can't help but feel Daboll's seat should be boiling hot right now. Two fourth and 1s, two field goal attempts that didn't even come close by a guy that's toast. There is no chance Daboll is getting fired this season. Zero.
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Rod Hoofhearted posted:I wouldn’t want LaFleur to be fired without Gutekunst also being fired, but it also wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they jettisoned LaFleur and kept Gutekunst around to hire a replacement HC and squander our highest first-round pick since we drafted AJ Hawk. You'll get yet another Georgia defender and like it.
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Nervous posted:You'll get yet another Georgia defender and like it. If they drafted like the Eagles that would be a solid strategy.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:It wont, because MLF hired a friend as his DC and he refuses to fire him despite the defense underperforming for three years straight. Which is part of why MLF should be on the hot seat. Hah, MiLF
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latinotwink1997 posted:Hah, MiLF That’s his brother, Mike LaFleur, currently Rams OC.
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So how long is McDaniels leash?
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I think Mark Davis can't afford to fire him yet lol
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Febreeze posted:I think Mark Davis can't afford to fire him yet lol he has to save all his money for that great haircut
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Febreeze posted:I think Mark Davis can't afford to fire him yet lol The team is worth like 6 billion now that they're in Vegas. Triple the last time he was broke and handed Gruden 100mil
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Ches Neckbeard posted:The team is worth like 6 billion now that they're in Vegas. Triple the last time he was broke and handed Gruden 100mil Handing Gruden 100 million over ten years before having to fire him shortly into that and then paying McDaniels 40 Million is exactly the problem the team being worth 6 billion doesn't necessarily mean he has 6 billion liquid to just give to anyone Febreeze fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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He's a billionaire with a money printing business, which means laughably low interest loans the plebs can't have. 10mil a year is still big money for an NFL coach. I can't believe a man in his position didn't have easy access to cash. Well, maybe the Spanos family. Miniscule fan base that leases the stadium from the team they share a market with. Edit: hell if can't afford a new coach how is he expecting to pay Maxx Crosby? A new rookie coach is like 8mil right now. Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Edit: hell if can't afford a new coach how is he expecting to pay Maxx Crosby? A new rookie coach is like 8mil right now. I hear a Brandon Staley can be had for 5mil.
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Given a lot of the roster moves the Raiders have made (all Patriots all the time) tonight’s game did zero favors for Mcdaniels. Do really doubt he’ll be fired anytime soon though
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What's worse: having to pay Josh McDaniels, or having to pay him and having him coach your football team?
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Not saying LaFleur will (or even should) be fired (yet), but here's an interesting article looking at the future records of coaches who go through terrible losing seasons: "Keeping the Coach Never Works Out". Very relevant to this thread where we decide if coaches suffering through bad losing seasons should be fired!quote:To try to answer that question, I looked at the history of the National Football League to find examples of coaches who are in similar situations to LaFleur. What I found was that in the Super Bowl era, only 14 coaches had five wins or fewer in Year 5 or later of a coaching stint and were retained — without having won a Super Bowl in a previous season. These are LaFleur’s comparables, at the least the ones who survived the (immediate) chopping block.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Edit: hell if can't afford a new coach how is he expecting to pay Maxx Crosby? A new rookie coach is like 8mil right now. They extended Crosby during the 2022 off season. He's a bargain at his current APY.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Not saying LaFleur will (or even should) be fired (yet), but here's an interesting article looking at the future records of coaches who go through terrible losing seasons: "Keeping the Coach Never Works Out". Very relevant to this thread where we decide if coaches suffering through bad losing seasons should be fired! So if you exclude the coaches who had radical QB changes (like the Packers) and the coaches who performed extremely well in previous seasons (like the Packers) then they're bad?? What a shocker
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It’s honestly funny people were going into the season expecting the Packers to be bad, because they were, and now are shocked they are bad
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I liked how the NFL media world had already decided in June that yes indeed Love was definitely going to step up and the Packers wouldn't miss a beat from that schlub Rodgers while also maintaining that Rodgers instantly made the Jets an SB contender. Which is it?
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CharlestheHammer posted:It’s honestly funny people were going into the season expecting the Packers to be bad, because they were, and now are shocked they are bad I think it's more that no one was expecting them to be this bad. Like, they play Carolina on Christmas Eve and if things keep going the way they are, Carolina might be favored in that game
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CharlestheHammer posted:It’s honestly funny people were going into the season expecting the Packers to be bad, because they were, and now are shocked they are bad People thought the Packers would be bad, then they started 2-1 and Packers fans were smugging it up about finding a new HoF franchise QB and then they ate poo poo and every non-Pack fan is indeed loving it.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I liked how the NFL media world had already decided in June that yes indeed Love was definitely going to step up and the Packers wouldn't miss a beat from that schlub Rodgers while also maintaining that Rodgers instantly made the Jets an SB contender. Which is it? Eh The Jets did okay last year (and are doing OK this year) with Zach, because of how stacked the rest of the roster is, it was/is fair and popular to assume you didn't need much of an improvement to get them over the hill into playoffs at least Less certain was the idea that both the Packers and Rodgers would benefit from moving on from each other, but stuff like Andy Reid leaving Philly (and Dalton+Marvin leaving Cincy, although that was one-sided in Cincy's favor) has shown that sometimes you get as much mileage as you can out of a situation and at least one side, occasionally both, can benefit from a change of scenery. There was something to it, it just obviously didn't work out that way
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Kalli posted:People thought the Packers would be bad, then they started 2-1 and Packers fans were smugging it up about finding a new HoF franchise QB and then they ate poo poo and every non-Pack fan is indeed loving it. And now the pendulum has swung and Love is unplayable after six games, such is being an NFL fan I suppose. You only remember what happens last
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Shinji2015 posted:I think it's more that no one was expecting them to be this bad. Yep, we were expecting a rebuilding year where we'd see at least flashes of progress, not nearly the entire team looking lost and confused. The Week 2 Falcons and Week 3 Saints games were more or less how I expected the season would be going.
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Chris James 2 posted:Eh "OK" = losing the last 7 games of the year including having a team wide meltdown that forced them to bench him twice and then start the corpse of joe flacco for the last 2 games .
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mcmagic posted:...having a team wide meltdown that forced them to bench him twice and .... Speaking of which, it seems like the Jets roster has been much more amenable towards Zach this year compared to last year. What's different? Simply the prospect of having Rodgers back at some point?
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mcmagic posted:"OK" = losing the last 7 games of the year including having a team wide meltdown that forced them to bench him twice and then start the corpse of joe flacco for the last 2 games . They were still what, like a win or two from making playoffs even with that? Like I said, they didn't need significantly better, just competent QB play would have gotten them over the hump. Not having the worst starter in the league, and airbags for backups
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SKULL.GIF posted:Speaking of which, it seems like the Jets roster has been much more amenable towards Zach this year compared to last year. What's different? Simply the prospect of having Rodgers back at some point? I have no idea what things are actually like behind the scenes obviously, but he just seems like much more of a grown up now than he was last year. I think he was struggling last year on a number of fronts and on top of that just didn't mesh well with the offensive staff, which led to a total loving meltdown on and off the field. This year he seems to like his coaches (even though they suck too) and having Rodgers around probably also motivates him to be more of a professional. Also: they're winning right now. See if all of this holds up if they lose 2 or 3 in a row.
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He is also a pampered HS and college QB and what? 23 yr old. Let he who was not a fuckin idiot in their early 20s cast the first pigskin.
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I think it's largely just lowered expectations. Last year he was a former first round pick, and expected to be the franchise quarterback. This year he's a guy one step away from the unemployment line and very clearly not anyone's first choice. There's nothing to be gained by making GBS threads on him anymore as everybody already knows the score, so it's best to just get on with it.
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