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Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
‎A Palestinian flag rises above an Israeli weapons factory in Shinstone

https://x.com/ajarabic/status/1719572472713109603?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

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VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

Grapplejack posted:

I think the most shocking thing from Ukraine + this is that there are a disturbingly high number of countries who have leadership that apparently have zero self preservation instincts. No thought is given to what their situation is going to look like because of israels war or the poo poo the US is getting up to with Russia and China, they're just blindly following along, there's no attempt to gain anything or get a tactical advantage in other areas, it's just a weird pseudo-religious adherence to whatever the US wants

I think crepeface already had a good answer to this.

Another angle I have considered is that simply speaking, is that the insane levels of violence in all of its forms, perpetuated by the US is necessary to main the current capitalist status quo with the west "on top" of it all. And they are just about willing to pay any price, to not have to get their own hands dirty and have the US act as a sort of lighting rod for the consequences that this insane imperialism brings along with it.

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:
"Ariel Reich"

"Asif Luger"

these cannot be real

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Logging on to CoD Warzone and defeating the Trophy system with the incredible strategy of throwing two grenades in quick succession

Thank you Hezbollah

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Jonah Galtberg posted:

Oh I'm sure that there's no infantry support to speak of, but you would think that they're flying a whole lot of close air support. A missile launch should be instantly picked up by a drone or aircraft

Those tanks better hope not considering how accurate Israeli bombing has been so far.

But also, these guys probably staying in position for 20 minutes for a f-16 to bomb a building 2 houses over.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
the UK is a nazi fascist state

https://x.com/_grendan/status/1719418797193396625?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:
lmao those names are real

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

VomitOnLino posted:

I think crepeface already had a good answer to this.

Another angle I have considered is that simply speaking, is that the insane levels of violence in all of its forms, perpetuated by the US is necessary to main the current capitalist status quo with the west "on top" of it all. And they are just about willing to pay any price, to not have to get their own hands dirty and have the US act as a sort of lighting rod for the consequences that this insane imperialism brings along with it.

America is the worldwide governing agency of Capital and the people it mind-controls like a zombie infection ( the bourgeois)

Elden Lord Godfrey
Mar 4, 2022

Jonah Galtberg posted:

Oh I'm sure that there's no infantry support to speak of, but you would think that they're flying a whole lot of close air support. A missile launch should be instantly picked up by a drone or aircraft

yeah, but by the time the drone sees the atgm launch and it goes up the chain for someone else to send an artillery or airstrike on the position the shooters have already retreated. you do not stay in place in the modern battlefield

the modern idf being too good to support tanks on foot is the death of their tanks

VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

PawParole posted:

America is the worldwide governing agency of Capital and the people it mind-controls like a zombie infection ( the bourgeois)

It also leads to a sort of sunk cost fallacy. As witnessed in the Nazi reich where they were complicit in horrible crimes against humanity, which however also meant they became very invested in perpetuating the Nazi state, lest it all be uncovered and tried. (I mean in the end it turned out the US was largely on their side. lol lmao)

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

Elden Lord Godfrey posted:

yeah, but by the time the drone sees the atgm launch and it goes up the chain for someone else to send an artillery or airstrike on the position the shooters have already retreated. you do not stay in place in the modern battlefield

the modern idf being too good to support tanks on foot is the death of their tanks

many drones carry missiles that they can use to shoot at things, no extensive kill chain required

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Horizon Burning posted:

"Ariel Reich"

"Asif Luger"

these cannot be real

Ben Hitler

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

did someone say killchain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_R1gnOpSg

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
Shlomo Vile-Goebbels

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
https://x.com/lowkey0nline/status/1719418220845625792?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


image text goes here

VomitOnLino posted:

The opinion of the average American, which has indeed been hugely influential on the leaderships course taken in the Iraq wars, the Genocide in Palestine now and ... *presses hand into earpiece*

speaking of which, i wonder how big the thing in dc on the 4th is gonna end up being

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Thoughts and prayers for IDF Staff Sgt Yaakov Bonerhimmler

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

VomitOnLino posted:

The opinion of the average American, which has indeed been hugely influential on the leaderships course taken in the Iraq wars, the Genocide in Palestine now and ... *presses hand into earpiece*
sorry you’re right, the average American would go into a fit of blood rage but the ghouls at the state department and the White House would have very calm and stoic reactions to Russia disintegrating a US carrier, surely

bawfuls has issued a correction as of 06:50 on Nov 1, 2023

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

gradenko_2000 posted:

Thoughts and prayers for IDF Staff Sgt Yaakov Dirlewanger II

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

FirstnameLastname posted:

they're going to blame Hamas for the actual Holocaust somehow

Netanyahu already did this years ago

Anger at Netanyahu claim Palestinian grand mufti inspired Holocaust

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007


broke: hamas did 10/7
woke: hamas did 9/11
bespoke: hamas did 1933-1945

FormaldehydeSon
Oct 1, 2011

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

I think it's keen to note that many white supremacists have taken up the Palestinian cause as a way to stick it to the Jews and not a way to create a humanitarian solution. Like all these people like Hinkle come out of the woodwork and support Palestine and all of this other poo poo simply to forward their own Nazi/ supremacist agenda.

Some of the neo-Nazis like Israel because it's what they want, racial isolation. Other neo-Nazis would like to support Palestine because they know that Arab countries in general have 911 as a template for their annihilation. It's far easier to annihilate a free Palestine than it is to annihilate and Israel that is a colonizer state.

As well as the fact that if Iran actually does anything against Israel, then the white supremacists win because Jews die and Arabs die in the whole conflict.

Clearly you all know my stance on this, and I'm bringing it up as an item of discussion. But we should all be cautious of who we are citing and quoting, even if they are quoting what seems like it lines up with the sensible political opinion.


I mean Israel is using this very fact to their advantage, and trying to wrap all Jews into the blanket of Zionism. And trying to again court American Jews with the idea that they are in under threat. It is literally there to forward the agenda of getting more jews to live in Israel and colonize the loving place further.

Certain American Jews will see israel as a place where they can feel safe under the iron dome and IDF's Nazi genocide.

I mean let's not forget Germany calling up all of the ethnic Germans to come back to Germany before world War II sparked

hmm maybe but this just sounds like made up bullshit from someone who has been completely drowning in American propaganda their whole life.

do you think American and Israeli conservatives are working in tandem to make America and Israel lose so they can finally kickstart the holocaust against jewish people who nearly all live in America and Israel? if they want to commit a genocide against Jewish people why bother jumping through all the hoops?

thanks for casually making a post that says Palestine supporters may be hidden anti semites and need to be purity tested you loving stupid rear end in a top hat.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
the only purity i need is pure 100% concentrated Death to Israel

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

I think I checked three times if this was the onion

aren’t afrikaners wildly antisemitic? I guess shits changing fast

it’s wild the number of people who post things like “wait [x] supports Israel in their genocide against Arabs I thought they were nazis” but never actually finally connect the dots

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
liberals discussing the current situation in palestine

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Jonah Galtberg posted:

many drones carry missiles that they can use to shoot at things, no extensive kill chain required

The most effective drones turned out to be Mavic with frag grenades attached on a string. That said, ATGM and RPG teams are going to use utilize terrain and fortifications to their advantage, and drones are a lot better with large stationary targets. Their goal is to find targets of opportunity and not to stay around to see what happens. Hamas has been utilizing remote tripods as well.

The Israelis move blasting anything and everything, but this isn't really that type of war. Everyone shat on the Russians but the patient approach with heavy use of artillery was the right call and even so it took months and they were dealing with much smaller urban areas (also the tunnel systems they were dealing with weren't as extensive).

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

crepeface posted:

ive decided that US red lines are meaningless and that russia should sink the carriers with hypersonics

:hmmyes: i mean they need to be sunk eventually

Elden Lord Godfrey
Mar 4, 2022

Jonah Galtberg posted:

many drones carry missiles that they can use to shoot at things, no extensive kill chain required

and most do not. most drones are tiny buzzing camera drones meant to give more situational awareness to troops on the ground. you can upgun them up strapping a 40mm grenade to one and wiring up an electronic drop release, but that can be used to attack (not necessarily kill) a fighting position, or a soft skinned vehicle



my point is that if the israeli doctrine has abandoned the infantry support of the armored vehicle, then the vehicles are hosed. camera drones are essential, complementary, but are no substitute for the situational awareness given by troops escorting the vehicle on foot. a huge part of the reason why the initial russian advance along the kiev axis got turned back was that there was simply insufficient infantry support, if anything the battalion tactical groups were overtuned in terms of vehicles and undertuned in terms of men. they fell prey to constant atgm ambushes

the israelis are basically making the same mistakes as the russians, but at a doctrinal level. but unlike the russians, the israelis seem arrogant enough that they will insist on using this, instead of adapting and making use of their mobilised infantry

their only advantage is that they have complete air superiority, while the ukrainians still had coverage from their soviet era SAMs over their front

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

bawfuls posted:

idk man hard to figure out how the average American would react to several thousand dead American sailors at the hand of Russia, it’s not like a huge portion of the US public has been primed for years to hate Russia or anything

the safest move is probably to be good friends with an army explosives designer while calling for cooler heads to prevail and letting the active ongoing genocides continue quietly and keep sitting on 90% of the worlds stolen wealth

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Grapplejack posted:

I think the most shocking thing from Ukraine + this is that there are a disturbingly high number of countries who have leadership that apparently have zero self preservation instincts. No thought is given to what their situation is going to look like because of israels war or the poo poo the US is getting up to with Russia and China, they're just blindly following along, there's no attempt to gain anything or get a tactical advantage in other areas, it's just a weird pseudo-religious adherence to whatever the US wants

Awhile back I had a conversation with an older gentleman from Europe who thought that Kamala Harris was a highly competent and intelligent politician, and I had to very gently explain to him that she was actually an embarrassing, incompetent moron.

I think a lot of Europe's government officials and Intelligentsia still think that the United States is a functioning country that knows what it's doing, and that terrifies me :stare:

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

blessed

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

Elden Lord Godfrey posted:

and most do not. most drones are tiny buzzing camera drones meant to give more situational awareness to troops on the ground. you can upgun them up strapping a 40mm grenade to one and wiring up an electronic drop release, but that can be used to attack (not necessarily kill) a fighting position, or a soft skinned vehicle



my point is that if the israeli doctrine has abandoned the infantry support of the armored vehicle, then the vehicles are hosed. camera drones are essential, complementary, but are no substitute for the situational awareness given by troops escorting the vehicle on foot. a huge part of the reason why the initial russian advance along the kiev axis got turned back was that there was simply insufficient infantry support, if anything the battalion tactical groups were overtuned in terms of vehicles and undertuned in terms of men. they fell prey to constant atgm ambushes

the israelis are basically making the same mistakes as the russians, but at a doctrinal level. but unlike the russians, the israelis seem arrogant enough that they will insist on using this, instead of adapting and making use of their mobilised infantry

their only advantage is that they have complete air superiority, while the ukrainians still had coverage from their soviet era SAMs over their front

yeah, all signs are pointing towards the Israelis thinking their armour is going to matter. I wonder how many times we'll hear about a vehicle being popped with everyone still inside it

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
The Israelis also have artillery superiority, but ultimately they are going to be hamstrung by the same factors as Ukraine, a shell famine. Otherwise, constant suppression by artillery would give them an advantage, but it doesn't sound like they have stockpiles.

But at the end of the day it is about small victories, and if Hamas can keep a training and supply chain together and fight block by block it is going to weigh on the Isrealis. The professionals are amp'ed up to throw their lives away, but the reservists are really just random people that had some training at some point. If Hamas can wear down the professional units, it is going to matter.

Also, the doctrine the Israelis seems to be completely about posturing and fear. We will see how the southern command losing that many officers early on is going to play out.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 07:18 on Nov 1, 2023

Morbus
May 18, 2004

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

I think it's keen to note that many white supremacists have taken up the Palestinian cause as a way to stick it to the Jews and not a way to create a humanitarian solution. Like all these people like Hinkle come out of the woodwork and support Palestine and all of this other poo poo simply to forward their own Nazi/ supremacist agenda.

Some of the neo-Nazis like Israel because it's what they want, racial isolation. Other neo-Nazis would like to support Palestine because they know that Arab countries in general have 911 as a template for their annihilation. It's far easier to annihilate a free Palestine than it is to annihilate and Israel that is a colonizer state.

As well as the fact that if Iran actually does anything against Israel, then the white supremacists win because Jews die and Arabs die in the whole conflict.

Clearly you all know my stance on this, and I'm bringing it up as an item of discussion. But we should all be cautious of who we are citing and quoting, even if they are quoting what seems like it lines up with the sensible political opinion.


I mean Israel is using this very fact to their advantage, and trying to wrap all Jews into the blanket of Zionism. And trying to again court American Jews with the idea that they are in under threat. It is literally there to forward the agenda of getting more jews to live in Israel and colonize the loving place further.

Certain American Jews will see israel as a place where they can feel safe under the iron dome and IDF's Nazi genocide.

I mean let's not forget Germany calling up all of the ethnic Germans to come back to Germany before world War II sparked

Why the poo poo should I care about what some hamburger moron "nazis" think, want, or do?. American neo-nazis are a stupid joke, and if even 5% of the people in the US had a tiny fraction of the heroism that exists in the left nut of your average Palestinian grandpa, their "nazi" problems would be over very quickly. I'm tired of burger brained limpdicks wringing their hands over this or that twitter personality, as if that bears even the slightest consideration in the context of an actual industrial war of annihilation against the Palestinians.

If anyone in the west is worried about their bitchmade starter-zone so-called nazis they are welcome to go loving handle it and quit mewling about them here.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

The only Nazis America needs to worry about is our IDF trained Police force, who already control several city governments and are waiting for the day America's government collapses and they can become a cross between regional warlords and Mega-City Judges.

Jizzny Princess
Aug 24, 2021

WHILE YOU WERE LEARNING TO SPELL YOUR NAME,
I WAS BEING TRAINED TO CONQUER GALAXIES
UwU
https://twitter.com/anthonyzenkus/status/1719518410042708313

Looking more and more like this might be a hidden ulterior motive as to why Israel wants to get rid of Palestinians so badly.

You know, besides all the racism

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
drat maybe Erdogan should stop being a bitch and do something

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Elden Lord Godfrey posted:

and most do not. most drones are tiny buzzing camera drones meant to give more situational awareness to troops on the ground. you can upgun them up strapping a 40mm grenade to one and wiring up an electronic drop release, but that can be used to attack (not necessarily kill) a fighting position, or a soft skinned vehicle



my point is that if the israeli doctrine has abandoned the infantry support of the armored vehicle, then the vehicles are hosed. camera drones are essential, complementary, but are no substitute for the situational awareness given by troops escorting the vehicle on foot. a huge part of the reason why the initial russian advance along the kiev axis got turned back was that there was simply insufficient infantry support, if anything the battalion tactical groups were overtuned in terms of vehicles and undertuned in terms of men. they fell prey to constant atgm ambushes

the israelis are basically making the same mistakes as the russians, but at a doctrinal level. but unlike the russians, the israelis seem arrogant enough that they will insist on using this, instead of adapting and making use of their mobilised infantry

their only advantage is that they have complete air superiority, while the ukrainians still had coverage from their soviet era SAMs over their front

It took quite a while before Russia adapted to the reality of the situation on the ground. It is certainly going to take more than a month for Israel to do the same. It all boils down to if Netanyahu would rather gamble on sending the troops in unsupported for a few months despite losses to prop up his own position right now, or risk losing support as he commits to his nation's genocidal goals longterm.

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bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Vomik posted:

the safest move is probably to be good friends with an army explosives designer while calling for cooler heads to prevail and letting the active ongoing genocides continue quietly and keep sitting on 90% of the worlds stolen wealth
sorry for not cheering for escalation to direct conflict between nuclear armed powers

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