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mojo1701a posted:along with Bryan Callen  drat. I used to love him on MadTV.Then again that kinda proves what I was getting at. Washed up comedians that are now very angry and probably blaming all of their misfortunes on everyone else but themselves. Mo Collins is awesome. I hope Michael McDonald is doing ok. 
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There's definitely comedians who are conservative, some of them are even funny (Norm MacDonald is my go-to example because he was one of the funniest people ever and was apparently conservative-ish), but they aren't really Conservative Comedians. To be a Conservative Comedian means you do Conservative Comedy, and that poo poo just loving sucks because it's just never ever funny.
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Nov 1, 2023 03:54
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Tim Allen has made a lot of money pandering to the Right. Jeff Dunham has been doing the same lovely act for almost 40 years. Larry the Cable Guy. Jeff Foxworthy. There are a lot of comedians who know their audience and just because you don't think they're funny, that doesn't mean no one finds them funny. I don't think any of those names are funny, but I know people who do. Because they're idiots.
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Nov 1, 2023 04:10
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When I still used Facebook there would be a surprisingly significant number of people who thought this Amiri King guy was the next George Carlin, but he sucked out loud.
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Nov 1, 2023 04:40
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I have no desire to see his stand up but Kelsey Grammer undeniably has comic timing and knows how deliver a comedic line, which puts him far, far above pretty much any other conservative comedian. Even if you ignore Cheers, and Frasier, His voice work for Sideshow Bob is just brilliantly delivered and clearly shows that. Only one with better delivery I can think of is Norm MacDonald, who as already mention was comedian who had conservative views, not someone who seemed to ever call himself a conservative comedian.
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Nov 1, 2023 07:57
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I think Grammer also kept his bullshit largely under wraps until that one show of his got cancelled a few years ago and then he picked up the "It's hard to be a conservatism in Hollywood" line that Tim Allen has been repeating despite being in two television shows that lasted ten years each, the Toy Story franchise, and the Santa Clause franchise.
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Nov 1, 2023 14:15
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complaining bitterly to a sold-out crowd about how you got cancelled for showing your dick to people that's conservative stand-up
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Nov 1, 2023 14:20
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Tim Allen is at least smart enough to never try stand-up again.
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Nov 1, 2023 14:22
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How about this for a framing Who was the last comedian to do a full comedy set, be it a half hour or full hour, that is straight up conservative comedy and not just normal comedy from a conservative And did it do any numbers? A lot of that will be unanswerable because netflix doesn’t publish their viewership numbers, but for people talking about a comedy special, the only ones in the past few years that I have any awareness of is dave chappelle’s stuff, and it was all universally seen as demented anti-trans ranting and very few laughs I just don’t think trying to come up with a full comedy set and the conservative worldview mesh
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Nov 1, 2023 14:25
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There were plenty of people that saw Dave Chappelle's recent stuff as a return to form and brushed off any criticism, especially of his anti-trans bullshit, with "You can't go after royalty"
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Nov 1, 2023 14:30
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Now that I think about it, Kirk Cameron's material makes me laugh every time I hear it.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:There were plenty of people that saw Dave Chappelle's recent stuff as a return to form and brushed off any criticism, especially of his anti-trans bullshit, with "You can't go after royalty" I have yet to hear a single person actually say which jokes of his in those specials they liked Even when pressed, they do not come back with things like “here’s your sign” from bill engvall bits or “i kill you” from that ventriloquist I get the feeling they liked it because he said things they agreed with and maybe laughed at, but it wasn’t independently funny if you are not already a terf
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I agree with that, but earlier you said it was universally seen as demented anti-trans ranting and that's just not true. Plenty of chuds, regressives, TERFs, etc. found it "funny"
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Nov 1, 2023 14:42
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The thing about Bill Engvall and Jeff Foxworthy is that they tell harmless observational humor that picks up on the nuanced idiocy that we all have. The here's your sign and you might be a redneck jokes work because they're universal. Every culture ever has had people act in redneck ways and everyone can laugh at someone making a stupid decision because we're all potentially guilty of the same fault.
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Nov 1, 2023 14:43
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I agree with that, but earlier you said it was universally seen as demented anti-trans ranting and that's just not true. Plenty of chuds, regressives, TERFs, etc. found it "funny" Fair point, I don’t want to be like elon and call them NPCs. I just never think of those folk as having valid opinions. Edit: have a single one of those “Cancelled: TRUTHTELLER SPEAKS TRUTH” comedy specials by all the shittiest right wing converts actually gained any traction or are they all just playing to their crowds? rotinaj fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Nov 1, 2023 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:There's definitely comedians who are conservative, some of them are even funny (Norm MacDonald is my go-to example because he was one of the funniest people ever and was apparently conservative-ish), but they aren't really Conservative Comedians. To be a Conservative Comedian means you do Conservative Comedy, and that poo poo just loving sucks because it's just never ever funny. I'll give Norm credit for being smart enough (and in general) that he didn't do things like trans jokes because he didn't want someone to take what he said the wrong way and use it as pretext to be awful to trans people. Hell, this very point is mentioned in the Some More News video about the very topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSXKzPOcYDU Pope Corky the IX posted:I think Grammer also kept his bullshit largely under wraps until that one show of his got cancelled a few years ago and then he picked up the "It's hard to be a conservatism in Hollywood" line that Tim Allen has been repeating despite being in two television shows that lasted ten years each, the Toy Story franchise, and the Santa Clause franchise. I can't be the only one who remember his "Right Network" or whatever it was: https://www.youtube.com/@RightNetwork/videos I really recommend Right to Laugh, a trailer showcasing right-wing stand-up comedy.
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If you take the bits of Lewis Black's sets that rip apart democrats and liberals out of context, it would be easy to mistake them as genuinely funny conservative comedy. So I guess that's as close as it gets for me.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:There's definitely comedians who are conservative, some of them are even funny (Norm MacDonald is my go-to example because he was one of the funniest people ever and was apparently conservative-ish), but they aren't really Conservative Comedians. To be a Conservative Comedian means you do Conservative Comedy, and that poo poo just loving sucks because it's just never ever funny. A lot of the aging comedians from this era - the 'man's man' comedians of the alternative era, who came up trained by the older comedy club type entertainers but who grew up during the comedy renaissance of the 90s - would probably be considered conservative or at least hopelessly centrist by modern standards, yeah. They're not 'conservative comedy' with a capital C capital C, but that's because the comedy they employed was beleaguered centrism, in order to appeal to the most possible, while also cementing them as 'both sides truthtellers' who see above the madness like all of the poker bits in Louie are just painful and feature a lot of trying to empathize with these dudes dude style comedians who, while they aren't openly capital C conservative, their comedy still ends up serving conservative values and so they get popular in those circles - Nick DiPaulo, for example. that wasn't an overnight thing, his lovely mean comedy attracted the folks who like that sorta thing and he's garnered a following from people who love hearing some dumpy Italian guy complain about PC culture in a cartoon accent. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Nov 1, 2023 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:The thing about Bill Engvall and Jeff Foxworthy is that they tell harmless observational humor that picks up on the nuanced idiocy that we all have. The here's your sign and you might be a redneck jokes work because they're universal. Every culture ever has had people act in redneck ways and everyone can laugh at someone making a stupid decision because we're all potentially guilty of the same fault. Yeah, Foxworthy is definitely not the funniest stand-up ever nor was he particularly gifted, but (as far as I know) he was never the mean-spirited type. And the cultural significance of "you might be a redneck" shouldn't be denied. It's overused and too often poorly parodied, but at the heart of it is a great bit.
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ashpanash posted:Yeah, Foxworthy is definitely not the funniest stand-up ever nor was he particularly gifted, but (as far as I know) he was never the mean-spirited type. And the cultural significance of "you might be a redneck" shouldn't be denied. It's overused and too often poorly parodied, but at the heart of it is a great bit. Some of the "You might be a redneck" lines were actually pretty genuinely funny. One was "If you've ever made change in the collection plate", which is just a delightful mental image.
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Frank Frank posted:Rogan, Gutfield! Dennis miller, bill Maher!
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I remember long ago before mp3 players and podcasts, my dad would put in Jeff Foxworthy CDs on long car rides. He also had a Robin Williams stand-up CD but we weren't allowed to listen to it because of all the bad language.
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dokmo posted:Episode 222 of Grifthorse. I went and listened to the crypto episode they did in 2021 out of curiousity, and after about 15 minutes of rambling they were like, "actually this is a gold rush and you should get in on it" lol I'm sure all the people who got themselves embroiled in the total exchange collapses really appreciated that one 
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mojo1701a posted:I'll give Norm credit for being smart enough (and in general) that he didn't do things like trans jokes because he didn't want someone to take what he said the wrong way and use it as pretext to be awful to trans people. hm. this does not seem particularly friendly towards trans people, in my opinion. seems like it might be kind of bad actually!  
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Best conservative comedy has to be Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister, and even then they had some stupidly silly episodes.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Some of the "You might be a redneck" lines were actually pretty genuinely funny. One was "If you've ever made change in the collection plate", which is just a delightful mental image. He also said that his two year old was teaching him all kinds of things about the world. Things like, you can stuff a whole box of raisins in a VCR. I always thought that was a good joke. Broken clock, etc
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Samovar posted:Best conservative comedy has to be Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister, and even then they had some stupidly silly episodes. Does that make "the thick of it" Conservative comedy as well? By the same metric, Little Britain is deffo conservative, with blackface and so on.
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Nov 2, 2023 14:27
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Samovar posted:Best conservative comedy has to be Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister, and even then they had some stupidly silly episodes. Err, well, Sir Humphrey is small-c not big-C conservative. Hacker is generally opposing him and while his party is never named if anything he comes over a bit centre left to me. I mean he wants to abolish nukes at one point. A modern Republican he definitely is not. The Thick of It meanwhile is definitely Blair-era Labour and specifically Alastair Campbell.
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Tough Crowd was funny "conservative" comedy, but only because Colin Quinn completely failed to control the narrative and Patrice O'Neal took over every show.
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Sir Tonk posted:Dennis miller, bill Maher! Please don’t remind me that Dennis miller exists or hosted Monday Night Football at one point. Also lol that Roseanne Barr went from being a crude body positive leftist loathed by the Bush Sr GOP who along with the Simpsons and Married with Children were totally going to cause the downfall of western society to whatever the gently caress she is now.
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Frank Frank posted:Also lol that Roseanne Barr went from being a crude body positive leftist loathed by the Bush Sr GOP who along with the Simpsons and Married with Children were totally going to cause the downfall of western society to whatever the gently caress she is now. Appearing on Alex Jones's show occasionally as "Weirdo Grandma" who Alex kisses up to but does not actually listen to.
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Frank Frank posted:Also lol that Roseanne Barr went from being a crude body positive leftist loathed by the Bush Sr GOP who along with the Simpsons and Married with Children were totally going to cause the downfall of western society to whatever the gently caress she is now. She had a recent podcast episode where she  chatted with Marianne Williamson for an hour and change, so I don't know what is going on with her anymore.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The thing about Bill Engvall and Jeff Foxworthy is that they tell harmless observational humor that picks up on the nuanced idiocy that we all have. The here's your sign and you might be a redneck jokes work because they're universal. Every culture ever has had people act in redneck ways and everyone can laugh at someone making a stupid decision because we're all potentially guilty of the same fault. I don't know who Bill Engvall is. And whilst I know Jeff Foxworthy is an insane fundie Christian, (he did a "how well do you know your bible quotes" style show if I remember rightly). But I never saw him as as conservative comedian(tm). Sure he doesn't swear, and even though he plays up how "southern" he is whilst ignoring the racism/homophobia/etc of the US south. All the "you might be a redneck if ..." stuff is silly wholesome apolitical observational jokey jokes. As opposed to the racist ventriliquist, or the countless hacks yelling about "libruls" and "cancel culture" etc. But I don't follow him too closely, so maybe he has an after dark special where he puts on the white robe.
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staberind posted:By the same metric, Little Britain is deffo conservative, with blackface and so on. Little Britain was 100% conservative, the messaging of its sketches was lockstep with the right wing media's favourite talking points. Off the top of my head the ones I can think of were: - disabled people are just faking it and lazy, and exploit their carers - trans women are men in dresses - homophobia doesn't exist and people who claim otherwise are just drama queens but I'm sure there were plenty of others that were just as vile
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Dont Arabs absolutely love the racist ventriloquist with a dead terrorist character. The world is weird.
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Borscht posted:Dont Arabs absolutely love the racist ventriloquist with a dead terrorist character. The world is weird.
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Borscht posted:Dont Arabs absolutely love the racist ventriloquist with a dead terrorist character. The world is weird. A puppet that says “I kill you!” in a funny voice is probably guaranteed to be funny to at least somebody in any culture.
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Frank Frank posted:Please don’t remind me that Dennis miller exists or hosted Monday Night Football at one point. Ah, the duality of Fox in the 90's. Radical and EXTREME, but also, Fox News.
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Archenteron posted:She had a recent podcast episode where she From what I heard on Knowledge Fight, what's going on is alcoholism.
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