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SpartanIvy posted:I just think it's a little unrealistic that 80 years after a major war that the defeated enemy forces are not only back but trying to act like they are peaceful now and influence politicians. Surely the people of the world would recognize these evil forces for what they are and not try to reason with or entertain them. Totally ridiculous. That's the more realistic part of the show. In real life, people forget or try to change the narrative within a decade, much less 80 years.
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Frieren obviously has no sympathy when dealing with demons but it's not like she went on a campaign to fight the remnants over the past 80 years. I guess she might be OK with them as long as they aren't trying to encroach upon human territory (with the Demon Lord being powerful enough to threaten humanity as a whole).
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Oct 30, 2023 01:24
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Sorry, I have a terminal case of missingtheobviousjokeitis.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Maybe it's just me, but Frieren being doomguy for demon killing makes me less interested in her character, not more. This plot beat reminds me of Goblin Slayer more than anything, really, with her being the only one to understand the full extent of the threat posed by demons. I hope it's going somewhere interesting with it. For what it's worth, I think this was the weakest arc in the whole of the comic but it does a abit of needed world establishment. Spanning 2 episodes is pretty reasonably. I also think you are reading a bit to much into what other people are posting. Frieren doesn't have much combat in it and when it does it's primarily character or story driven.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Frieren obviously has no sympathy when dealing with demons but it's not like she went on a campaign to fight the remnants over the past 80 years. I guess she might be OK with them as long as they aren't trying to encroach upon human territory (with the Demon Lord being powerful enough to threaten humanity as a whole). That'd tie back into the earlier discussion about treating demons like apex predators, if you see one casually wandering around a human town then it's already an emergency situation even if it's not currently attacking anyone.
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https://x.com/TopGyaru/status/1717928725134934016?s=09
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Frieren has an extremely long point of view. She has probably interacted with demons for longer than most societies in the setting. Her learning to just go ham immediately and without remorse makes sense.
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GloomMouse posted:Humans have never spoken to, much less brokered a peace treaty with, an alien mind. We have however written a lot of stories about interacting with comprehensible but distinctly non-human minds, but it's really hard to do well because... we're humans and we want to see and write humans. It's just weird to see it while following around a DQ adventurer group rather than a starship. Peace of a sort seems possible, but not by treating them as humans with horns on. I'm reminded of the 2010 scifi short story "The Things" which tells the events of the John Carpenter's The Thing from the perspective of the alien and it turns out it considers itself an "explorer, an ambassador, a missionary" whose purpose is to "commune" with other lifeforms by absorbing them, and when it realises that humans (the 'Things' in the title) are individuals who don't want to be consumed it is horrified and saddened and starts seeing them as "thinking cancers" and sets out to forcibly save them from their horrible isolation. From the human perspective it's a relentlessly violent evil force and the worst horror imaginable, from the alien's perspective it's just following its biological directives and doing the correct and ethical thing by consuming the humans and is acting with compassion and altruism. Peace was definitely possible but the alien's definition of 'peace' is extremely different from the human definition.  Similarly, the demons in Frieren seem to have an extremely different view on death than the humans do.
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Nov 2, 2023 03:52
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Yeah, that story is great and I recommend it a lot lol. That Freiren has been a possible entry point for folks to explore good scifi like that and Blindsight is still kind of a trip
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Personally, I like this arc because I like when the implied bad rear end in fiction finally lets loose, which always makes me clap like a kid playing peek-a-boo.
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Another excellent episode, and dear god are they going HAM on the fight sequences.
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This episode was amazing holy cow. Between this and Bocchi the Rock the director (Keiichiro Saito) is showing some amazing mastery of their craft. Someone on the animation team has a weirdly specific talent for drawing people putting on/taking off coats
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Oh lord this episode Fern walking confidently forward with her dead eye stare hell yea bb the animation on that loving sick. The thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the fights in Frieren the manga are glossed over/just a few panels/whatever, so the anime going hogwild is soooooooo loving sick. They're really selling it. The things that made things work so well in the manga are all the characterization beats in the fights themselves, which the anime is preserving and building upon. So good! The fight especially with the Linie the way they integrated her power into the fight choreography was so good. Swapping weapons out and using different ones great!!! Baller loving ending. Jerkface fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Nov 3, 2023 18:02
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yeah this episode was loving sick and went totally hogwild with the animation
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Nov 3, 2023 18:48
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This episode was well animated and all, but it really examplified my issue with this series in the manga. Everyone just reacts to everything with a dead fisheyed stare. Get impaled? :| Watch your ally get dusted? :|
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Nov 3, 2023 18:57
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It was a stoic era.
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Nov 3, 2023 19:06
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Eh, scrounged up over-emoting faces are a dime a dozen in anime and manga. It's a unique aspect of this anime that works well with the unusual circumstances of the characters with some of them being literally inhuman beings.
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ChronoReverse posted:Eh, scrounged up over-emoting faces are a dime a dozen in anime and manga. It's a unique aspect of this anime that works well with the unusual circumstances of the characters with some of them being literally inhuman beings. I mean, there's over-emoting, and there's non-emoting. I don't think asking for Fern to show some pain rather than having a calm conversation while impaled is too much to ask. And neither Fern nor Stark are inhuman. They act exactly the same as the demons.
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The way they translated Fern emotionlessness while fighting into animation made her look significantly more terrifying than in manga, holy poo poo. 
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Nitrousoxide posted:I mean, there's over-emoting, and there's non-emoting. As for Stark, I don't know what you're watching but he's the most expressive by far in the fights of this episode. Not the usual screaming contorted shonen fight face but still reactive to the scenes. ChronoReverse fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Nov 3, 2023 19:31
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She was always pretty stoic and travelling around with Frieren for years probably hasn't changed that. I guess she knows there's no point in trying to appeal to a demon's better nature.
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ChronoReverse posted:Hilariously enough, the part about the impalement scene that bothers me is how Fern isn't drooping from the impalement point; apparently she's as physically stiff as her personality. Wouldn't be surprised if she simply levitated there to make sure she won't get injured further by having the entire weight of her body resting on what is basically a blade made out of blood stuck in her shoulder.
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Lt. Lizard posted:Wouldn't be surprised if she simply levitated there to make sure she won't get injured further by having the entire weight of her body resting on what is basically a blade made out of blood stuck in her shoulder. Oh that totally makes sense as headcanon, flying appears to be a cantrip for her anyway and she'd totally do that just to mess with her opponent.
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Can she still cast magic without her staff? Is it just an enhancer?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Can she still cast magic without her staff? Is it just an enhancer? She can do some, though it's more limited. You can see it in this episode where she can call the staff to her hand.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Can she still cast magic without her staff? Is it just an enhancer? It must be an enhancer. She literally retrieved her staff using magic.
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Frieren killed that scrub demon totally staffless and could probably kill hundreds without one
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Irony Be My Shield posted:She was always pretty stoic and travelling around with Frieren for years probably hasn't changed that. I guess she knows there's no point in trying to appeal to a demon's better nature. There's no food involved, why would she get emotional?
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If I met Frieren irl I'd be afraid because of how cool she is
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ChronoReverse posted:We know Fern is kinda nutty, it's her whole character. You can see her slightly grit in pain but she's clearly on purpose displaying the calm expression. At least that's my read from being an anime only watcher. From what I recall, Fern was more emotive when talking to Heiter while still young. I'm sure the combination of having gone through so much as a child, then having her adoptive father die, and then spending however many years growing up around Frieren has knocked a lot of overt emotion out of her. For all of Frieren's knowledge, Fern is basically her mother most of the time. But also, I assume that keeping cool, collected and in control are important to magic in battle. So she's possibly going out of her way to not show it so she doesn't feel it.
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Fern's stoicism can be pretty easily explained from her upbringing but it is also just 100% the manga's vibe. Every single character speaks/emotes in that half-lidded, muted, matter-of-fact way and actual outbursts are so few and rare. I personally adore the tone as it's pretty unique among its contemporaries.
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fern has swag, sorry haters https://i.imgur.com/rNrADLX.mp4
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RuBisCO posted:Fern's stoicism can be pretty easily explained from her upbringing but it is also just 100% the manga's vibe. Every single character speaks/emotes in that half-lidded, muted, matter-of-fact way and actual outbursts are so few and rare. I personally adore the tone as it's pretty unique among its contemporaries.
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https://i.imgur.com/Frt7q7Y.mp4 Stark also has swag... a little...
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Fights: 20% Food: 10% Donning jackets: 60% Intro and outro: 10% Someone who is good with animation budges please help my staff is dying
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Didn’t expect the action scenes to be S+ class as well. Just looks so good
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RuBisCO posted:Fern's stoicism can be pretty easily explained from her upbringing but it is also just 100% the manga's vibe. Every single character speaks/emotes in that half-lidded, muted, matter-of-fact way and actual outbursts are so few and rare. I personally adore the tone as it's pretty unique among its contemporaries. 100%, my av is from is a very sweet, emotional moment for the character and it's basically the smallest panel on that specific page lol
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Finished the episode. Fern’s stoicism is great. Makes sense when she was trained by Frieren as well. What is she suppose to do, scream a bit or something to sell it like a wrestling match? No, you stay calm. She probably wasn’t even that injured, probably protected it with mana at the point of contact and was just a surface wound. The extreme stoicism just makes it better when Fern shows her deredere side. Love every flashback with Stark and Eisen. When Aura mentioned Himmel’s name, Frieren didn’t react much, but you can tell she’s pissed.
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