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I said come in! posted:I accidentally saw video on Twitter. It was not good. Similar to your earlier post, that broke me. I don’t know how anyone can defend this poo poo. It’s incomprehensibly evil. Israel must be stopped.
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You'd have to be a complete and utter loving fool to believe anything Israel says.
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Nov 3, 2023 20:05
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Orthanc6 posted:IDF isn't even trying to hide it, their "spin" on this one is that Hamas was using the ambulances, so they bombed them. Which if I'm not mistaken, even if it was Hamas using the ambulances, it would still be a war crime: I have to say I'm morbidly happy that the IDF isn't even trying to deny that they bombed the hospital, except by very weakly saying "we were targeting the ambulance" parked outside the hospital. The gas lighting over the past few weeks was giving me anxiety. Confirmation on the Jerusalem Post as well, where they're trying to spin it as "they totally got hamas terrorists, and those ambulances were full of weapons actually!!" https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771619 Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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hawowanlawow posted:You'd have to be a complete and utter loving fool to believe anything Israel says. I don't think anyone - even ardent Zionists - actually believe this claim. It's just an excuse they can throw out in defense of another criminal act.
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Nov 3, 2023 20:17
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Awful but not particularly surprising given that they did the same thing during Operation Protective Edge (and Swords of Iron has been like Protective Edge x100 so far). The question will be whether they launch direct strikes to destroy Al-Shifa Hospital - I think it's highly likely since they've been laying the groundwork to do so by talking about how Hamas is operating out of it and how their tunnel network is all under it in the past few weeks. Things are probably going to get a lot worse.
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Here's a joint statement by UNICEF/UNRWA/UNFPA/WHO that they just put out: https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/women-and-newborns-bearing-brunt-conflict-gaza-un-agencies-warn Hopefully more national organizations keep up with these statements and can chip away at various countries' support of Israel in this.
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Nov 3, 2023 20:32
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Verisimilidude posted:I have to say I'm morbidly happy that the IDF isn't even trying to deny that they bombed the hospital, except by very weakly saying "we were targeting the ambulance" parked outside the hospital. The gas lighting over the past few weeks was giving me anxiety. Bombed what hospital? Bombing a hospital is mentioned nowhere in that tweet or in the link you provided. They talk about bombing a convoy of ambulances leaving the hospital. Also, is it really so impossible that it was in fact full of weapons/Hamas? If I were Hamas, I'd probably use ambulances to move things around so as to not attract attention and deter strikes. That incentive seems pretty clear to me. I don't see the incentive for Israel to bomb ambulances carrying non-combatants or not carrying key infrastructure of Hamas, other than to terrorize the population. But given how many eyes are on this conflict I find it hard to believe that some IDF commander is calling shots like that. That's not to say that mistakes can't happen, and that sick and extreme people who hold sway over the lives of innocents don't exist. But I just can't see most IDF leaders waking up and going "ok let's bomb some drat ambulances today!" as a policy.
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Pvt. Parts posted:Bombed what hospital? Bombing a hospital is mentioned nowhere in that tweet or in the link you provided. They talk about bombing a convoy of ambulances leaving the hospital. this is vile wtf
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Nov 3, 2023 20:42
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Pvt. Parts posted:Bombed what hospital? Bombing a hospital is mentioned nowhere in that tweet or in the link you provided. They talk about bombing a convoy of ambulances leaving the hospital. Israel bombs ambulances so regularly Jenin had a horse sculpture made out of the wreckage of ambulances. Occupation forces destroyed the sculpture this week. Also having seen video of the aftermath it's right at the hospital. There's absolutely zero way they could've known "Hamas" was in the ambulances. Stop posting.
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Nov 3, 2023 20:43
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Pvt. Parts posted:Bombed what hospital? Bombing a hospital is mentioned nowhere in that tweet or in the link you provided. They talk about bombing a convoy of ambulances leaving the hospital. This is absolutely demonic given the clear lies of the IDF and Israel so far in this conflict. This is nazi poo poo.
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Nov 3, 2023 20:43
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Pvt. Parts posted:Bombed what hospital? Bombing a hospital is mentioned nowhere in that tweet or in the link you provided. They talk about bombing a convoy of ambulances leaving the hospital. Are you loving for real with this poo poo? They bombed a clearly marked red crescent ambulance at the loving entrance to Al Shifa and you're going "well maybe they could have had weapons, maybe there were terrorists inside, i dunno maybe" And you wonder why you were given that avatar. TGLT fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Pvt. Parts posted:But I just can't see most IDF leaders waking up and going "ok let's bomb some drat ambulances today!" as a policy.
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Pvt. Parts posted:Bombed what hospital? Bombing a hospital is mentioned nowhere in that tweet or in the link you provided. They talk about bombing a convoy of ambulances leaving the hospital. Hey look, you identified exactly what Israel is doing here!
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Nov 3, 2023 20:50
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Pvt. Parts posted:. I don't see the incentive for Israel to bomb ambulances carrying non-combatants or not carrying key infrastructure of Hamas, other than to terrorize the population. But given how many eyes are on this conflict I find it hard to believe that some IDF commander is calling shots like that. That's not to say that mistakes can't happen, and that sick and extreme people who hold sway over the lives of innocents don't exist. But I just can't see most IDF leaders waking up and going "ok let's bomb some drat ambulances today!" as a policy. Because they can? And they want to? They can just say Hamas was there are rubes like you take it at face value.
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Pvt. Parts posted:Bombed what hospital? Bombing a hospital is mentioned nowhere in that tweet or in the link you provided. They talk about bombing a convoy of ambulances leaving the hospital. Civilians were obviously in those ambulances and were murdered in this. I don't give a gently caress if there actually happened to be weapons/Hamas personnel in these vehicles (which I doubt was even the case). This is a horrific thing for Israel to do.
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Nov 3, 2023 20:52
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Pvt. Parts posted:Bombed what hospital? Bombing a hospital is mentioned nowhere in that tweet or in the link you provided. They talk about bombing a convoy of ambulances leaving the hospital. you are a massive piece of poo poo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Halloween Jack posted:I can see literally any of them doing that. yes this appears to be what just happened actually
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It seems highly plausible to me that the IDF commanders who woke up and went "okay let's bomb a refugee camp today and the next day, too" are not above waking up and going "okay let's bomb some ambulances today."
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punishedkissinger posted:this is vile wtf Nope, it's just basic reading comprehension, actually. TGLT posted:Are you loving for real with this poo poo? They bombed a clearly marked red crescent ambulance at the loving entrance to Al Shifa and you're going "well maybe they could have had weapons, maybe there were terrorists inside, i dunno maybe" You really think Hamas is looking to play by the rules, given how outgunned they are? Guerilla warfare is all about using every trick you have at your disposal to repel a superior foe. edit deadking posted:you are a massive piece of poo poo Sorry for trying to work through a complex topic in real time in the Debate and Discussion forum, dude. Thanks for stopping by! Serotoning fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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There were kids in the ambulance; is the claim that this was Take Your Child To Work Day at Hamas Inc. (Located beneath the hospital that Israel really wants to bomb)?
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Nov 3, 2023 20:56
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Pvt. Parts posted:Nope, it's just basic reading comprehension, actually. You're a piece of poo poo. There's no argument to be had here, you're just a stupid piece of poo poo. You can go for yourself right now and see the aftermath of the IDF bombing a clearly marked ambulance in front of a clearly marked hospital, packed full of people, but at this point I'm gonna guess you could watch an IDF soldier shoot a six year old and still turn around and claim the kid was secretly the commander of Hamas. Since, y'know, you just watched them bomb a bunch of people including children and you're just nodding along.
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Pvt. Parts posted:Sorry for trying to work through a complex topic in real time in the Debate and Discussion forum, dude. Thanks for stopping by! This isn't complex if you have even 5% of a soul. Instead, you are a nazi-tier piece of poo poo doing apologetics for the bombing of an AMBULANCE. Is there a bridge too far where Israel would lose your support? Don't bother answering that, the answer is no. Demon.
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Pvt. Parts posted:Also, is it really so impossible that it was in fact full of weapons/Hamas? If I were Hamas, I'd probably use ambulances to move things around so as to not attract attention and deter strikes. That incentive seems pretty clear to me. This is speculation. Without support, I think the reasonable approach is to assume as a starting point that ambulances are actually ambulances. The onus on proving otherwise should be on the party that made the decision to bomb ambulances. Given their repeatedly demonstrated willingness to simply lie or even actively create disinformation, the word of the IDF or the Israeli government is not sufficient, in my opinion.
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Nov 3, 2023 21:01
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Pvt. Parts posted:Nope, it's just basic reading comprehension, actually. If hamas is in fact hiding in ambulances, the solution is not to blow up every ambulance. No one is being forced to murder children
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Neurolimal posted:There were kids in the ambulance; is the claim that this was Take Your Child To Work Day at Hamas Inc. (Located beneath the hospital that Israel really wants to bomb)? Those kids could have been full of bomb! You don't know! ...loving hell.
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Pvt. Parts posted:Nope, it's just basic reading comprehension, actually. gently caress you, you evil genocide-supporting gently caress (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Randalor posted:Those kids could have been full of bomb! You don't know! https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1720518481454498069 Understandable; the micro-terrorists had yet to grow old enough to become affiliated with anything...those wily bastards. I don't have a serious response to "what if the hospital and ambulance are terror bases of operational terror" except for: https://twitter.com/dril/status/1718800228697198656
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Pvt. Parts posted:Bombed what hospital? Bombing a hospital is mentioned nowhere in that tweet or in the link you provided. They talk about bombing a convoy of ambulances leaving the hospital. Lol are you really asking for proper distinction between "directly in front of the hospital entrance" and "the hospital"?
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Pvt. Parts posted:But I just can't see most IDF leaders waking up and going "ok let's bomb some drat ambulances today!" as a policy. That has historically been the American and IDF policy.
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Dubar posted:If hamas is in fact hiding in ambulances, the solution is not to blow up every ambulance. No one is being forced to murder children Like seriously, doesn't Israel have these super loving commandos we keep hearing about? You think if you're trying to kill or capture a single guy, you'd just risk a bunch of squaddies to stop an ambulance and haul off with the guy. It's like that the goal isn't to stop terrorists, it's to blow up ambulances.
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If all you have to do to avoid it being a war crime is say "I think there was a terrorist in that ambulance / hospital / park / refugee camp / school", then there's no such thing as a war.crime any more.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:This is speculation. Without support, I think the reasonable approach is to assume as a starting point that ambulances are actually ambulances. Yes, I wouldn't claim it is anything but. Considering we are various degrees of half a world away and in the middle of a rather apparent (mis)information war, speculation seems rather unavoidable. TGLT posted:You're a piece of poo poo. There's no argument to be had here, you're just a stupid piece of poo poo. You can go for yourself right now and see the aftermath of the IDF bombing a clearly marked ambulance in front of a clearly marked hospital, packed full of people, but at this point I'm gonna guess you could watch an IDF soldier shoot a six year old and still turn around and claim the kid was secretly the commander of Hamas. Nah, definitely not nodding along. War is horrific, period. It's also complex, and I won't pretend to have all the answers, but I do think there are layers worth peeling back beyond "ambulance was blown up, therefore inexcusable". Depending on what was happening inside the ambulance, it absolutely can be excusable in a war zone. If Hamas knew that ambulance = invincible then what do you as an IDF commander just let them play that card over and over? If I had good intel, which is key, I would absolutely not hesitate to disarm the enemy through such a disguise. Similarly, if I were Hamas, I would use any available means to hide my operations and create the most "optically suicidal" targets possible for my enemy to attack. I'm not even saying one side is morally above another in this case, this is just what I deem to be good, obvious strategy.
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Tai posted:O well, doesn't look like Hezbollah is going in to help Gaza out by clowning on IDF. Bummer Don't worry, twitter told me that they are gonna unleash the rockets of doom and destroy isreal any hour now
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It’s really not that complex. Bombing ambulances is not okay and anyone suggesting it’s okay in any circumstances is an irredeemable piece of poo poo. Go gently caress yourself genocidal freak.
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Pvt. Parts posted:Yes, I wouldn't claim it is anything but. Considering we are various degrees of half a world away and in the middle of a rather apparent (mis)information war, speculation seems rather unavoidable. Stop trying to justify murdering civilians.
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There are ways to disarm 6 dudes in a van besides dismembering everyone in an area
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Pvt. Parts posted:Nah, definitely not nodding along. War is horrific, period. It's also complex, and I won't pretend to have all the answers, but I do think there are layers worth peeling back beyond "ambulance was blown up, therefore inexcusable". Depending on what was happening inside the ambulance, it absolutely can be excusable in a war zone. If Hamas knew that ambulance = invincible then what do you as an IDF commander just let them play that card over and over? If I had good intel, which is key, I would absolutely not hesitate to disarm the enemy through such a disguise. Similarly, if I were Hamas, I would use any available means to hide my operations and create the most "optically suicidal" targets possible for my enemy to attack. I'm not even saying one side is morally above another in this case, this is just what I deem to be good, obvious strategy. So to be clear, you're saying, "It is good strategy to bomb hospitals and ambulances."
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Pvt. Parts posted:Yes, I wouldn't claim it is anything but. Considering we are various degrees of half a world away and in the middle of a rather apparent (mis)information war, speculation seems rather unavoidable. You're a miserable ghoul trying to justify bombing ambulances and civilians.
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If the ambulance was a secret Hamas APC it would not have produced dead children, and if it needed to be bombed, it could have been targeted in transit instead of at a hospital. These are all post-hoc rationalizations because IDF command did wake up and decide to bomb a hospital, and you cannot seriously engage with them in good faith.
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Pvt. Parts posted:Yes, I wouldn't claim it is anything but. Considering we are various degrees of half a world away and in the middle of a rather apparent (mis)information war, speculation seems rather unavoidable. Oh, I see, the magic words aren't "I thought there were terrorists in there", it's "I had good intel that there were terrorists in there." Silly us, that makes the IDF pure and blameless in all of this! gently caress off. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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