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Yeast posted:? I don’t drive a Ute, you can see this by going to a dealership. I don’t give a poo poo what someone drives, if you’re curious to genuinely answering why, that’s a huge answer. I was having a dig at Jezza, not you. If you cross shop your car choice and don't give a poo poo about brand (as far as image), you are doing it right. My actual way of buying a car was get anxious about the whole deal at the first dealership and ask them for the cheapest car they have on the lot. Drove out in a Hyundai Eon 3 cyl, 0.8L manual for ~$11k, paid with credit card.
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Yeast posted:The interior of a Ranger is much more plush and comfortable than the other two. If you're cross shopping them its very apparent. If this is important to you get a Chinese made GWM for basically half the price. It will also have the added benefit of not making GBS threads out the gearbox on the reg. E: Electric Wrigglies posted:~$11k, paid with credit card. 
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Anidav posted:What if Peter Duttons head is a giant toe Then he'd get a mani/headi
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Electric Wrigglies posted:I was having a dig at Jezza, not you. If you cross shop your car choice and don't give a poo poo about brand (as far as image), you are doing it right. You got loving ripped off. I just bought a 2012 i40 for 12.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:You got loving ripped off. I just bought a 2012 i40 for 12. To be fair, I bought the thing new in 2014. It was my first ever new car - prior to that my car buying experience was trading two blocks of Emu Bitter for a car that would get a yellow licky in about a year.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Can you see that your progressive No vote actually amounted to telling indigenous people "No, I don't think we should be listening to you particularly"? That's not what a progressive No means and you'd know better if you stopped huffing solvents and saved a few brain cells to rub together. Progressive Yes Vote: We want a constitutionally enshrined advisory body for First Nations people so they can present their needs to the government Conservative Yes Vote: This is a great idea, but we should hash out the details some more before we proceed Progressive No Vote: The Voice is just a weak replacement for a treaty, bin the referendum, make the racist elements step aside and let's make a treaty happen Conservative No Vote: I don't want no drat blacks in muh constitution! quote:"I understood that I was voting to harm people." this is what debating in bad faith looks like Lid posted:NSW has already essentially binned theirs, QLD has binned theirs, theres no political will to do it as theres empircal evidence people simply do not care enough about it. The referendum, in the form it took, was essentially a Morton's Fork - If Yes won, First Nations people were locked out of a treaty by a Voice that the government could basically just ignore. If No prevailed, apathy and racism would resume standard operating levels and state-based attempts at Treaty would fail. Either way, they lose.
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NPR Journalizard posted:Read the entirety of the Harry Dresden series to your kids. Dude who wrote that series came to a con in my area a while back and was such a weirdo a few of my mates who volunteered opted out of helping the con in future. Bucky Fullminster posted:yes I think this was the ethical question he was giving literal children to wrestle with Idk if this makes you feel any better, but Paul Jennings wrote that for a more mature audience, but his publisher put it into a kids anthology. He feels bad it got in, coz he didn't think it was appropriate for impressionable readers at all. GoldStandardConure posted:froglet will not be surprised by this, but i remember reading No Is Yes as a kid and loving it, and probably the first thing to make me think about things like experiences etc being very relative. I am absolutely unsurprised! My sister in law met Paul Jennings earlier this year. She's from Sri Lanka, but my brother had been coincidentally talking about his books earlier that week, so she recognised the name and got a picture with him. I'm mildly envious, haha.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:If Yes won, First Nations people were locked out of a treaty by a Voice that the government could basically just ignore. Citation extremely needed.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:
Lol you keep telling yourself that. Thank gently caress First Nations people in regional/remote areas were saved from the voice by Progressive No voters 
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GrandTheftAutism posted:The referendum, in the form it took, was essentially a Morton's Fork - If Yes won, First Nations people were locked out of a treaty by a Voice that the government could basically just ignore. Just want to double check here, what was step two of the Statement from the Heart
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hooman posted:Citation extremely needed. Seemlar posted:Just want to double check here, what was step two of the Statement from the Heart What makes either of you think that a future Coalition government (gods forbid there'd ever be one) would give a tinker's drat about anything the Voice had to say? Or for that matter: the ALP barely pays attention to white poors as it is, I can easily see Albo doing the political equivalent of giving the Voice a patronizing pat on the head.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:What makes either of you think that a future Coalition government (gods forbid there'd ever be one) would give a tinker's drat about anything the Voice had to say? I honestly feel the Progressive No is a patronizing Pat on a head by overwhelmingly urban voices. The referendum results bear this out too I feel.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:a future Coalition government (gods forbid there'd ever be one) lol you'd vote them into power as a cranky cynical protest vote
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that i feel bullied to become a nazi comic but its about progressive no voters
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hooman posted:Citation extremely needed. It is pretty historically consistent that the nations last to some progressive development tended to take it the furthest as well. The pent-up push for a development leading it to overtake first mover countries that went with a small steps strategy. The crux being that the pent-up push come from decades or generations of being held back.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:It is pretty historically consistent that the nations last to some progressive development tended to take it the furthest as well. The pent-up push for a development leading it to overtake first mover countries that went with a small steps strategy. The crux being that the pent-up push come from decades or generations of being held back. Idk if I can really justify accelerationism as a strategy here.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:It is pretty historically consistent that the nations last to some progressive development tended to take it the furthest as well. The pent-up push for a development leading it to overtake first mover countries that went with a small steps strategy. The crux being that the pent-up push come from decades or generations of being held back. "Kick them harder so they'll fight back stronger. I am very intelligent."
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I am big supporter of baby steps, more consistently. Big advances have often come with big backlash and sometimes regression. People love looking to the past with rose tinted glasses and the upheaval gets remembered more than the hardship of before the change.
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I would like to add that the more time spent fighting/denigrating the "progressive no", is time/energy/will that should be spent fighting the conservative/racist/Dutton no. I am in no way defending the "look at how anti racist I am by denying the indigenous population a voice" crowd. But am saying there are bigger and more blatant enemies that want a good kicking first.
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BrigadierSensible posted:I would like to add that the more time spent fighting/denigrating the "progressive no", is time/energy/will that should be spent fighting the conservative/racist/Dutton no. Yes well we can fart and chew gum at the same time. It’s just outrageously poo poo that a bunch of collaborators wanted to feel that they kept their moral purity or whatever and supported Dutton (lmao)
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The steps to treaty without a voice is simple. After all, Victoria has a treaty. Once the rest of Australia is as progressive as inner city Melbourne, it's a shoo in. fake edit: I'm hearing Victoria only has a treaty process and has not started negotiations. fez_machine fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Nov 4, 2023 |
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Obviously, we should reject Victoria's treaty so we can get an even more progressive one in the future!
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Recoome posted:Yes well we can fart and chew gum at the same time. It’s just outrageously poo poo that a bunch of collaborators wanted to feel that they kept their moral purity or whatever and supported Dutton (lmao) Lumping your detractors in with Dutton is not how you get people on side. gently caress off.
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We've had a series of legislation-driven Indigenous Voices To Parliament since the 1970s which the Liberals have always ignored (also the ALP for the most part, lol) and dismantled, it's been a weird stumbling block that we keep returning to over and over.
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hambeet posted:hmmm i don't think he wants to get those dutton supporters on side though? I'm not a Dutton supporter, I despise the man and the party he leads. Dutton was against the Voice because he's a racist, socially regressive pile of poo poo. I was against the Voice for reasons stated above that the echo chamber in this thread keep trying to twist into something else. We are not the same.
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hambeet posted:yeah it was full steam ahead, but then someone pointed out that the liberals might ignore it / try undo it one day, so now they're wondering why even bother. Gee whizz wish we could put it into some kind of document that’s hard to change??? GrandTheftAutism posted:I'm not a Dutton supporter, I despise the man and the party he leads. Dutton was against the Voice because he's a racist, socially regressive pile of poo poo. I was against the Voice for reasons stated above that the echo chamber in this thread keep trying to twist into something else. We are not the same. Sure as hell voted like a Dutton supporter though
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Like what I’m confused about is why it’s praxis for all these revolutionary socialists to collaborate with the racist shitbags? Like typically the litmus test is who’s supporting your side and really the Dutton/Hanson/Neo Nazi poo poo that was coming out of the No camp was a real easy tell.
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Hard to tell if it's naivete or delusion on display here. There is no possible way that a no vote leads to better outcomes for indigenous Australians. It's just nonsense. What the no vote has done is convince the racists that Australia is on their side and helped send a message to ATSI people that the majority don't really give a poo poo about them. What little momentum there might have been toward treaty is all but gone. It doesn't matter what your reasons for voting no are, that's the outcome that you helped bring about.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:It is pretty historically consistent that the nations last to some progressive development tended to take it the furthest as well. The pent-up push for a development leading it to overtake first mover countries that went with a small steps strategy. The crux being that the pent-up push come from decades or generations of being held back. A long arc of history argument in the year 2023 is .. an interesting choice. Mostly I take umbrage with the statement "the voice will prevent treaty", especially when contrasted with "a no vote will prevent treaty".
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hooman posted:A long arc of history argument in the year 2023 is .. an interesting choice. I agree that baby steps is better, but there is no denying that if you want the perfect answer now! Then baby steps are not going to help. The Progressive No voters are hoping that we will have a similar thing to what happened to Rudd's first crack at carbon trading.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:That's not what a progressive No means and you'd know better if you stopped huffing solvents and saved a few brain cells to rub together. I specifically said “what it amounted to”, and if you stopped reflexively reaching for insults like “huffing solvents” you might be able to appreciate the difference between that and whatever you think “it means”.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:I specifically said “what it amounted to”, and if you stopped reflexively reaching for insults like “huffing solvents” you might be able to appreciate the difference between that and whatever you think “it means”. What the gently caress do I know, I'm apparently just a Dutton supporter despite my claims to the contrary
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