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Comrade Blyatlov posted:well yeah, the instant they don't have the backing of the USA the entire middle east flattens them That didn't happen the three times before Israel started getting substantial US aid, and it's even less likely to happen now.
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Lum_ posted:That is such a non-starter politically in the US there are literally some state laws prohibiting BDS-style boycotts of Israel. if I moved my career to Texas like some of my coworkers, I would be required to sign a loyalty pledge to Israel, which would be really loving weird given that I am professionally and legally forbidden to have loyalties or make any pledges to any nation other than the United States. "What the actual gently caress" isn't a fun thing to hear from one of my mentors who is of the 50 members of the Defense Trade Advisory Group. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Nov 5, 2023 07:12
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Potato Salad posted:if I moved my career to Texas like some of my coworkers, I would be required to sign a loyalty pledge to Israel What the actual gently caress. How/why would you be required to do this?
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PittTheElder posted:What the actual gently caress. How/why would you be required to do this? they have a bill requiring loyalty pledges for certain public service sectors I should follow up on this because it's been a few years, but I think the solution for my mentor was basically to call their facility security officer and clarify that (1) they were coerced to signing a pledge by a state law that should be submissive to federal policy in their understanding (2) they absolutely do not have any loyalties outside of the United States and are not a traitor edit: recalling more, it's essentially handled with "this is obviously illegal / bunk hick horseshit and we won't care" quite often is it the case that there are incompatibilities between state law and defense law / policy, and if you're smart you'll swing with the feds every time Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Nov 5, 2023 07:19
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PittTheElder posted:What the actual gently caress. How/why would you be required to do this? Look do you want the rapture or not pal
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Potato Salad posted:if you're smart you'll swing with the feds every time As Uncle Billy said, quote:You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:That didn't happen the three times before Israel started getting substantial US aid, and it's even less likely to happen now. I sure don't want to find out if they would actually pull the trigger on all those nukes if they were losing a conventional war.
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Israel's neighbours are all a stiff breeze away from being failed states, there is zero risk of Israel having to fight a conventional war and in fact it is far more likely that the trend of normalisation continues after current events settle down because the primary foreign policy goal of everyone in the region is dealing with the psychotic theocracy that's handing out weapons to every reactionary terrorist group it can find.
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Alchenar posted:Israel's neighbours are all a stiff breeze away from being failed states, there is zero risk of Israel having to fight a conventional war and in fact it is far more likely that the trend of normalisation continues after current events settle down because the primary foreign policy goal of everyone in the region is dealing with the psychotic theocracy that's handing out weapons to every reactionary terrorist group it can find.
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Potato Salad posted:if I moved my career to Texas like some of my coworkers, I would be required to sign a loyalty pledge to Israel, which would be really loving weird given that I am professionally and legally forbidden to have loyalties or make any pledges to any nation other than the United States. Every CI briefing I ever got cited Israel as the number one perpetrator of espionage against the US (they may have been surpassed more recently by China). It's bad enough that the US government effectively refuses to buy hardware or software from Israeli companies (with some occasional exceptions). Surprised culture war Republicans haven't spent more time trying to haul counter intelligence officers to jail for breaching these kinds of pledges.
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Alchenar posted:Israel's neighbours are all a stiff breeze away from being failed states, there is zero risk of Israel having to fight a conventional war and in fact it is far more likely that the trend of normalisation continues after current events settle down because the primary foreign policy goal of everyone in the region is dealing with the psychotic theocracy that's handing out weapons to every reactionary terrorist group it can find. I am seriously not trying to throw any shade to anyone: which "psychotic theocracy handing out weapons" are you talking about? There's a few of them. vv Thank you Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Potato Salad posted:I am seriously not trying to throw any shade to anyone: which "psychotic theocracy handing out weapons" are you talking about? There's a few of them. Pretty sure they're talking about Iran.
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Its saudi. It deserves to be saudi anyway.
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Nov 5, 2023 11:24
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And why israel is concerned with american public support is it carries irreplaceable access to technology, money, and political influence. National survival isn't realistically threatened anymore.
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Potato Salad posted:I am seriously not trying to throw any shade to anyone: which "psychotic theocracy handing out weapons" are you talking about? There's a few of them. They didn't mean us? 
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Only just out today: Perun has done a vid on Iran's Military Strategy & Power Projection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy95hMoMhrY as is normal with his vids it's heavy on Power Point with still pictures of weapons & graphs.
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Lum_ posted:That is such a non-starter politically in the US there are literally some state laws prohibiting BDS-style boycotts of Israel. Those laws aren't the reason why BDS won't happen in the USA. They are a solid reflection of the fact that there is little to no popular appetite to engage with BDS, however.
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PittTheElder posted:What the actual gently caress. How/why would you be required to do this? “Loyalyty pledge” is a derogatory term used by people opposed to the stupid law. Texas and a bunch of states require that a company certifies it does not expressly boycott Israeli products, if signing a contract with Texas for Texas government money to be paid to the company. The courts have ruled a few different ways over the years, but it is largely an unenforceable culture bullshit law. https://www.courthousenews.com/fifth-circuit-parses-texas-ban-on-boycotting-israel/ Also it’s a fumb thing where there is no boycott pledge for Texas direct employees, just for contractors paid by the Texas government. It is all very dumb and rather toothless, but I understand that some people refuse on principal to just lie to Texas in order to get a contract.
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Just Another Lurker posted:Only just out today: Perun has done a vid on Iran's Military Strategy & Power Projection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy95hMoMhrY as is normal with his vids it's heavy on Power Point with still pictures of weapons & graphs. At this point it should just be assumed that Perun videos are going to be powerpoints using the Halloween color palette.
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A.o.D. posted:At this point it should just be assumed that Perun videos are going to be powerpoints using the Halloween color palette. I'm not military but am wary of posting things here that may be construed as   to those not familiar with the lad. 
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Just Another Lurker posted:I'm not military but am wary of posting things here that may be construed as Perun's content to date have been pretty universally safe for all potential outlets and consumers. His presentation is fairly heavily sanitized and clinical.
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When I read "psychotic theocracy handing out weapons to terrorists" my first thoughts were the US (CIA creating the taliban) and Saudi arabia (rich Saudi failsons sponsoring Al qaeda & isis as a hobby). I had an Iranian boss for a while and his characterization of the regime (kleptocrats stealing/privatizing everything that isn't nailed down) is where I get my picture of the Iranian state
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HolHorsejob posted:I had an Iranian boss for a while and his characterization of the regime (kleptocrats stealing/privatizing everything that isn't nailed down) is where I get my picture of the Iranian state That doesn't really rule out also being an insane theocracy arming terrorists, ex: the US
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I'm not sure how you could read the OP's entire post and interpret it to mean anything other than Iran unless you just skipped over the entire first half of it.
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Are we gonna bring back the Iran boogeyman now? We really are doing 2000s greatest hits
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Yeah I mean do whatever kind of edgy takes you want, the main dynamic of the region is Iran trying to destabilise everyone who isn't Iran, and everyone else gradually forming into a broad coalition to oppose that. The main tension for the last decade being that if you are the Arab states and you want to contain Iran then the last bit of the jigsaw you need is a partnership with Israel, and guess what was about to happen right when Hamas kicked off?
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A.o.D. posted:Perun's content to date have been pretty universally safe for all potential outlets and consumers. His presentation is fairly heavily sanitized and clinical. 70+ minute PowerPoint presentations are explicitly banned in at least four major law of armed conflict treaties, but they weren't written with nonstate actors in mind.
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ZombieApostate posted:They didn't mean us? this would have been my guess
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TheWeedNumber posted:https://x.com/centcom/status/1721271207260033230?s=46 I would hope that it wasn't the Ballistic version.
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A.o.D. posted:I would hope that it wasn't the Ballistic version. idk i feel pretty disappointed. not enough big dick energy
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Platystemon posted:As Uncle Billy said, The guy knew his poo poo. He wrote that after the very first state's (SC) secession was announced.
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An SSGN is what, up to ~150 Tomahawks? No idea how many are on board of course but that's on par with if not more than a CSG's complement right?
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Godholio posted:The guy knew his poo poo. He wrote that after the very first state's (SC) secession was announced. Correct. South Carolina passed its resolution to secede on Thursday, 20 December 1860. Sherman made his remarks the following Monday. Colonel Sherman was then the first superintendent of what would become Louisiana State University. He resigned that position on 18 January 1861, shortly after Mississippi, Florida, Alabama had joined in secession and eight days before Louisiana itself seceded.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Are we gonna bring back the Iran boogeyman now? We really are doing 2000s greatest hits I seriously thought y'all were better than this yeah. what the gently caress
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Hey, need some crash course advice in media literacy. Various people in the politics channel of a Discord I frequent are, uh, doomposting about how popular support for Israel in the US is cratering, and how this affects both what the current government should do now, and their re-election chances. Meanwhile, the historian, Bret Devereaux, says that the main reason the US allies with Israel is because it enjoys significant popular support. Obviously, the validity of both of these perspectives depends on the actual state of the level of popular support in the US for the government of Israel. So what do you all advise for cutting through any prevalent BS and determining the actual level of US popular support for Israel right now?
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Quackles posted:Hey, need some crash course advice in media literacy. waiting a couple weeks  polling's a bit of a mess right now and things are happening quickly, so afaict the answer boils down to "get more polls"
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You know what? Fair enough.
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One thing I’d advise: don’t take this thread as general opinion. It would be cool and good if it was, two state fully automated gay communism. Unfortunately
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I would agree polling right now isn't very useful but I'd guess there's still a solid majority support for Israel. Majority probably don't pay attention to news at all, then the ones who do mostly get it from... I don't even know. Do people watch TV news, other than the olds watching Fox? Like I don't think most people would be pro blowing up ambulances and children but I also don't think most people are aware that's happening. They heard Israel is killing terrorists and that's about it.
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