Formula One 2023: McLaren fans are dark energy

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Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

aledesma posted:

so we know frog boy is winning, so who is going to complete the podium? (no need to watch this race if the outcome is already predetermined)

Lando and Lewis

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Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

One of the old cars oiled down Leclerc's pit box and they should give that car a trophy

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Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

Kvlt! posted:

trying to learn my f1 history: why was refueling banned? Was it just "it spills"? Was the refueling ban welcome or poorly received by the drivers?

As a NASCAR/WEC fan following his first F1 season it seems so bizzare to ban refueling, I'm curious about the history of that decision

Agreed bring back refueling so Max can follow his daddy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAa6JW2rMg0

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Simplex: Jun 29, 2003

Kvlt! posted:

trying to learn my f1 history: why was refueling banned? Was it just "it spills"? Was the refueling ban welcome or poorly received by the drivers?

As a NASCAR/WEC fan following his first F1 season it seems so bizzare to ban refueling, I'm curious about the history of that decision

The number 1 reason most things change in F1 is "cost saving." Now excuse me while I take my private helicopter to my personal go-kart track that's a 15-minute walk away.

If I remember correctly, F1 doesn't have a full time safety crew that follows the series from track to track like NASCAR or IndyCar does. So they are really dependent on the local idiots to handle things like fires and such, so there are some pretty legitimate safety concerns around refueling.

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wicka: Jun 28, 2007

F1 refueling rigs were stupid expensive, that was certainly part of it, but it didn't help that drivers kept driving away too soon and dragging the fuel hose down the pit lane.

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Kvlt!: May 19, 2012

Simplex posted:

The number 1 reason most things change in F1 is "cost saving." Now excuse me while I take my private helicopter to my personal go-kart track that's a 15-minute walk away.

If I remember correctly, F1 doesn't have a full time safety crew that follows the series from track to track like NASCAR or IndyCar does. So they are really dependent on the local idiots to handle things like fires and such, so there are some pretty legitimate safety concerns around refueling.

that really surprises me they don't have a full time safety crew actually, I didn't know that!

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opposable thumbs.db: Jan 7, 2008; It's hard to say that it's wrong that my life revolves around my dog when she is cuter and more interesting than me; Pillbug

I think refueling also led to worse racing on track? It seems like it's better to have the decision to pit making you faster (new tyres) rather than slower (more fuel)

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Panic! At The Tesco: Aug 19, 2005; FART

will miss the live broadcast as I'm working. but I do fireworks for a job so I'm going to just pretend that the display is for lando getting his first win after max crashes. firing time should be roughly when the race ends too.

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PhoenixFlaccus: Jul 15, 2011; KFC Famous Bowl

opposable thumbs.db posted:

I think refueling also led to worse racing on track? It seems like it's better to have the decision to pit making you faster (new tyres) rather than slower (more fuel)

It allows for a wider variety of strategies. Not sure what your �it makes the cars slower� argument is. They need enough fuel to finish the race either regardless of when you put it in. Not sure how that negatively affects racing.

Cost and reducing pit lane injuries seem like good enough reasons to not do it.

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ArmedZombie: Jun 6, 2004

aside from cost and safety, my understanding re: fueling is that f1 races are so short that once you figure out the refueling numbers it doesn't add anything to the strategy, there is not enough uncertainty. longer races like wec or indycar (esp ovals) there are more options for fuel saving strategies.

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Furious George: Oct 3, 2002

I don't know if Brundle can make this grid walk any more awkward

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big nipples big life: May 12, 2014

Furious George posted:

I don't know if Brundle can make this grid walk any more awkward

Guess I wasn't the only one that saw the Machine Gun Kelly segment.

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Cimber: Feb 3, 2014

PhoenixFlaccus posted:

It allows for a wider variety of strategies. Not sure what your �it makes the cars slower� argument is. They need enough fuel to finish the race either regardless of when you put it in. Not sure how that negatively affects racing.

Cost and reducing pit lane injuries seem like good enough reasons to not do it.

Probably because the risk of more than just one team getting hosed up by a fire and the canceling of the race (loss of revenue!) are big factors too.

Basically the downsides don't outweigh the upsides.

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refleks: Nov 21, 2006

Furious George posted:

I don't know if Brundle can make this grid walk any more awkward

he did manage to crash Hinch's grid walk, looking flabbergasted as how to get around that american guy doing his job and he was jut going at a leisurely pace

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smackfu: Jun 7, 2004

Kind of minimalist anthem.

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Take the plunge! Okay!: Feb 24, 2007

Refueling is not coming back now because it would make the entire greenwashing song and dance look even worse, but F1 just loves messing with rules for no reason at all, like the time they banned tire changes and then Raikonnen disintegrated on track or something, not sure but not gonna look it up now

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refleks: Nov 21, 2006

Banging anthem. Need more simple renditions like that...

look at how happy that kid with the ukulele was...

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opposable thumbs.db: Jan 7, 2008; It's hard to say that it's wrong that my life revolves around my dog when she is cuter and more interesting than me; Pillbug

PhoenixFlaccus posted:

It allows for a wider variety of strategies. Not sure what your “it makes the cars slower” argument is. They need enough fuel to finish the race either regardless of when you put it in. Not sure how that negatively affects racing.

Cost and reducing pit lane injuries seem like good enough reasons to not do it.

If you require refueling then cars become slower when you pit because you're adding fuel. This means that you can't actively do anything to gain an advantage over cars around you, as opposed to "fresh tyres". But yeah there are multiple reasons

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Red Warrior: Jul 23, 2002; Is about to die!

Way better than last week when we got a bunch of kids 'singing' the anthem who weren't even miced up.

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Cimber: Feb 3, 2014

That kid was the happiest person on the track.

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SocksAndSandals: Jun 6, 2011

very much enjoying the airshow coverage tbh

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wicka: Jun 28, 2007

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Refueling is not coming back now because it would make the entire greenwashing song and dance look even worse, but F1 just loves messing with rules for no reason at all, like the time they banned tire changes and then Raikonnen disintegrated on track or something, not sure but not gonna look it up now

God I was so mad when that happened

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