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No Wave posted:To truly understand the western hyper-online freakout about the AoT manga ending you need to dive into the "Erehisu" fandom. It would be better if you didn't though. I'm not an Erehisu shipper, but I did think the manga had some parts that looked like hints in that direction. It's good that those hints got toned down in the anime, to avoid confusion when it wouldn't go anywhere.
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Most of what I encountered in the wild rather than dedicated spaces, was contrarian AoT haters signal boosting perceived lukewarm reception of the ending as ammo for cheap shots. People are liking the anime conclusion so those same guys are dead silent.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Most of what I encountered in the wild rather than dedicated spaces, was contrarian AoT haters signal boosting perceived lukewarm reception of the ending as ammo for cheap shots. Back in the day i was pissed off as well. I mean "thanks for doing a genocide eren" holy loving hell gently caress off. This does it so much better, it really fixes it.
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So were the Ackerman abilities and immunity to Founder powers ever explained in the manga? I assume Levi and Mikasa are also regular humans now.
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Beefstew posted:
To me it came off more as "the only thing Eren did wrong was not finishing the job."
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Nov 6, 2023 02:26
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In the ending credits, did the Eldians get their own 9/11? Cause lol
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Flesnolk posted:To me it came off more as "the only thing Eren did wrong was not finishing the job." I feel like the vast amount of time passing, with Paradis mostly in peace, shows that whatever conflict eventually ruined Shiganshina was probably political in nature and not racial hatred. So our guys did succeed in their goals, just on a long enough timeline human nature happens and somebody picked a hell of a fight.
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SirPablo posted:In the ending credits, did the Eldians get their own 9/11? Cause lol I noticed that lol
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Nov 6, 2023 02:39
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Flesnolk posted:To me it came off more as "the only thing Eren did wrong was not finishing the job." No, his friends all lived long peaceful lives. That was his ultimate goal.
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Nov 6, 2023 03:56
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Alan_Shore posted:No, his friends all lived long peaceful lives. That was his ultimate goal. His friends (except Sasha and Hange) lived, all the Titans were gone, Paradis was preserved for countless generations, and he got to stomp on everything standing between him and freedom. Eren got everything he ever wanted. Poor bastard.
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Nov 6, 2023 04:00
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Yep! Ultimately, he did wipe out all the titans! Goddamn can't stop thinking about this show
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SirPablo posted:In the ending credits, did the Eldians get their own 9/11? Cause lol Yeah definitely. Immediately after it happens it shows the Paradis George Bush start a loving war and jets fly the opposite way to attack
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a seagull posted:I feel like the vast amount of time passing, with Paradis mostly in peace, shows that whatever conflict eventually ruined Shiganshina was probably political in nature and not racial hatred. So our guys did succeed in their goals, just on a long enough timeline human nature happens and somebody picked a hell of a fight. I'm just curious if another world war started or if Paradis became stupidly aggro and belligerent in the future. Because the city was already in ruins after the war seemingly, who the gently caress made the call to still nuke it back to the stone ages to be sure
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Nov 6, 2023 05:15
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I stopped watching after Season 2 because I wanted to see the whole last season in one go. Are they done yet?
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Jack Trades posted:I stopped watching after Season 2 because I wanted to see the whole last season in one go. The series ended yesterday
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Nov 6, 2023 08:03
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:The series ended yesterday Cool. Thanks.
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Finally got the chance to watch the finale after having to wait over 24 hours. As one of the people that thought the manga ending was fine, this version was still a vast improvement over the original ending and I'm happy to see so many of you enjoyed it. I think this is a series with a lot of different metaphors and meanings, and it's been a fun ride discussing so much with you guys over the last few years. My final interpretation that I've been sitting on since the manga ended, was that the Titans were always just a metaphor for human cruelty towards one another and conflict in general. They're always there, and we're never going to permanently get rid of them, and you're certainly not going to get rid of them by violenting harder (with Eren's unprecedented degree of violence being represented by just having the biggest titans). The last shot with the tree is not a depressing ending to me, but just a sign that this aspects of ourselves is never really gone, and will always rear its head.
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Nov 6, 2023 09:03
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Wow. I guess after all this time we were the Attack on Titan.
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Titans are people.
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Attack on, Titan.
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Attack on Society.
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It's funny because the English translation makes no sense. I assume the Japanese is more "The Attack Titan"?
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Alan_Shore posted:It's funny because the English translation makes no sense. I assume the Japanese is more "The Attack Titan"? I do not speak Japanese, so take this with a grain of salt. "Shingeki no Kyojin" is sometimes translated as "Advancing of the Giants", or some-such. So "Attack of the Titans" is a valid translation. But the phrase can alternatively mean "The Attack Titan" - which likely would not be one's first interpretation, and that's why it's such an effective title drop 2/3 through the series. The focus of the series shifts somewhat, and the title that once signified the threat we were facing now points directly to Eren. It was localized as "Attack on Titan" because that name sounds cooler, though the double entente doesn't translate. It also led some folks, myself included, to initially believe it was a sci-fi series about the moon Titan before actually watching it.
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It's ambiguous - it could also reasonably be something like 'the attack of the titans' which is probably what people assumed it was until we got the direct namedrop. Sousou no Frieren from this season had a similar twist based on its ambiguous title that didn't really translate into English.
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That's what the sequel is about. After getting nuked, Paradis moved to the moon. They thought the name was cute.
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Amazing finale. A bleak ending, but it feels appropriate given the current news cycle. I think I agree with the author: in the world we live in, society without war seems hokey. And at the end, while it is bleak, it is also hopeful because as the cycle continues there is always the chance, the hope, for change. What a great series and what a great ending. This is the kind of narrative finale that shows like BSG tried and failed at attempting. After a decade, it’s all done and wrapped up nicely. Glad the anime got to “fix” the ending, your descriptions make it plain why it was so derided. Also, Gabi with the winning shot and even Reiner got a decent ending!
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Got it, thanks! While I watch videos titled HOW EREN WAS NEVER FREE and WHAT IF ERWIN HAD THE COLOSSAL TITAN, can manga readers fill the anime watchers in on cool stories? Like wild theories as they read, changes from the anime, Isayame interviews, I don't know I just want to hear it all!
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If you want some extra Shingeki Content seek out all of the fake manga previews, particularly Attack on School Castes. It's a fascinating peek into Isayama's sense of humor unfettered by the often bleak serious tone of AoT.
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One of the final illustrations he did for the series was all of the characters sitting in a spa together. He had previously said that as soon as the series was over, he was hanging up his mangaka hat and opening a spa instead.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Amazing finale. A bleak ending, but it feels appropriate given the current news cycle. I think I agree with the author: in the world we live in, society without war seems hokey.
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Alan_Shore posted:Got it, thanks! Seconding this request. (I will also be watching those videos.)
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What the gently caress!? Levi survives? Booooooooooooooooo. Dude deserves the throne on scout Valhalla. Especially after no-hesitation decap on Zeke! Worst ending ever. 
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Something I assumed was going to be important but which I don't think the narrative ever really supported - as long as the Paths Creature stayed alive, Eren knew exactly how things were going to go and was effectively a "slave" to predestination. By getting it destroyed he created a "future", a scenario that he couldn't predict, and therefore "freed" himself and the Eldians from the chains of predestination. Having thought about it I honestly really like the final special. Cool action scenes, decent character interaction and a satisfying ending for the main characters. I think the main thing that would keep me from calling the ending "great" actually goes back more to previous decisions - the alliance coming together just felt way too easy. In a series where everything is always absurdly tough and Eren was unable to find any course of action he was satisfied with other than obliterating most of humanity even though he had full knowledge of how much harm his actions would cause it just seems way too neat for this group, riven as they are by grudges and acts of betrayal, to just all come together and trust each other pretty much immediately. It means I can't really say that these characters had the closure I would've wanted for them, even though their interactions and resolution in this episode were good. With that said, I did at least like that Eren's "stop the rumbling plan" wasn't a panacea that fixed all the world's ills. The island that had been perfectly conditioned into having an insane siege mentality and to see everyone outside their walls as inhuman still supports Eren and are mad at the Alliance for stopping him. The rest of the world is still obviously fearful of this island and the resentment against Eldians continues. The only hope is that there's a group of people who can bridge the gap and do their best to try and create some sort of tenuous peace. That endpoint at least feels appropriate for the series even if the alliance's formation was in my view skipped over.
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AlternateNu posted:What the gently caress!? Levi survives? Booooooooooooooooo. Dude deserves the throne on scout Valhalla. Especially after no-hesitation decap on Zeke! Worst ending ever.
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AlternateNu posted:What the gently caress!? Levi survives? Booooooooooooooooo. Dude deserves the throne on scout Valhalla. Especially after no-hesitation decap on Zeke! Worst ending ever. There is no valhalla in this world. There is no good death and no glorious afterlife. Death is horrifying and to be avoided at all costs, the manga is very unflinching about that the entire time. Eren even at the end cries and admit he doesn't want to die because he's just plain scared of it. Very very VERY few characters die in this story without being stripped of all dignity and being reduced to nothing more than their fear, pain and regret. Levi got the best ending of anyone. He honored his promise to Erwin and then he got to stop fighting. He made it out of the forest. I like his ending in the manga a little more because he's positioned with Gabi and Falco and it's like, very heartwarming to me to see the man who had to bury more comrades than anyone and the kids who never should've been in war at all in the first place together, having gotten out of the forest together. I think the anime loses that a little bit but him as Friend To The Children is still very true to his character and one of the best endings anyone gets.
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MJeff posted:Levi got the best ending of anyone. He honored his promise to Erwin and then he got to stop fighting. He made it out of the forest. I like his ending in the manga a little more because he's positioned with Gabi and Falco and it's like, very heartwarming to me to see the man who had to bury more comrades than anyone and the kids who never should've been in war at all in the first place together, having gotten out of the forest together. I think the anime loses that a little bit but him as Friend To The Children is still very true to his character and one of the best endings anyone gets. Yeah, I saw that and I wish they had kept it, actually. Plus Gabi and Falco planting trees when the metaphor is that children are trapped in the forest muddles the metaphor a bit. I went and looked at the few pages with Armin and Eren. I think what was intended was Eren sharing his feelings, Armin thanking Eren for sharing his feelings and/or giving the memories back later, and then a statement that Armin won't let Eren's war crimes become meaningless (ie he will take advantage of what comes next as best he can). Instead, due to poo poo paneling and translation/layout, it looks like Armin thanks Eren for becoming a war criminal. Has anyone discussed this?
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Alan_Shore posted:It's funny because the English translation makes no sense. I assume the Japanese is more "The Attack Titan"? iirc before "Attack on Titan" was presented as the official translation fans originally called it March of the Giants (or at least something along that line)
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I do appreciate how the forest metaphor relates to Eren though. He sees the same problem as Sasha's dad and comes to the conclusion that the only solution is to burn the whole loving forest down with everyone inside. 
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Maera Sior posted:Yeah, I saw that and I wish they had kept it, actually. Plus Gabi and Falco planting trees when the metaphor is that children are trapped in the forest muddles the metaphor a bit. This was my take from it, I just think it was poorly communicated. New version gave a clearer rendition of the same message, plus other good stuff. I don't think the intent or ideology of the scene changed - just the quality of the writing.
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Maera Sior posted:Has anyone discussed this?
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