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Discendo Vox posted:No. If the "old drama has died down", it's because the trolls have more control; the people who were the most beneficial participants have been driven off of DnD or SA overall. The subforum continues to be harvested and targeted by trolls, actively facilitated by the current pattern of rationalizing not enforcing the rules. Yes, but I would differentiate that from what what happening previously, there were real serious divisions between large groups of posters rooted in fundamental differences in class and lived experience expressed in politics right between the edge of the left and more center but mostly still socialist left. That’s spilt and the two groups mostly just post in different places. (Say USCE in D&D and Doomsday Econ in CSPAM). Now there is some intentional trolling still happening. And I agree with you those folks should go and are a lot of the current problem. My opinion is the line should be fascist = gone. With my use of fascism here referring to and understood as revolutionary romanticism. I’m also inclined to think the rhetoric devices you identify are generally indications of the essential incoherence of revolutionary romanticism. But we don’t overlap fully because I think some of the ways of thinking and arguing that irritate you are valid, useful, and appropriate to discussion.
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Gumball Gumption posted:As someone who It happened as a response to Lowtax when everybody thought the forums were going to die. And honestly it was before the big spilt so I think it’s a bit of a red herring. Yeah there is an offsite discord but that happened because everybody thought the forums were going to die and as many folks who are now CSPAM as D&D went to the same place and? But I say that not ever really looking at it. I hate discord. It’s an awful platform. If anyone still uses it they could tell us what it’s actually like, instead of only hearing from crazies that use its mere existence as a rhetorical device and proof of evil.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:It happened as a response to Lowtax when everybody thought the forums were going to die. And honestly it was before the big spilt so I think it’s a bit of a red herring. Yeah there is an offsite discord but that happened because everybody thought the forums were going to die and as many folks who are now CSPAM as D&D went to the same place and? I don't mean for it to be a red herring, just my own experience around trolls and D&D. There is a war being fought in the heads of a handful of posters and then a lot of people who  And thinking on that topic more, as someone who posts in both a thing I really like about CSPAM and wish would happen in D&D is that CSPAM generally treats you as earnest. If you say something people disagree with they will call you a lot of poo poo but they earnestly believe you and just think you're an idiot with stupid beliefs. In D&D when you say something the majority disagree with it feels like the default is to treat you like a dishonest troll who could never actually believe that. You're not there because you have a thing you want to discuss, you're just there to make everyone mad. And I like the first one a lot more. I would much rather be called a loving idiot for my earnest beliefs than a troll because well, it feels better to be called an idiot than a liar.
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I don't think those are two separate things though? I think you can troll with earnestly held beliefs - where you post something you know the majority would disagree with and then fail to engage with the conversation afterwards. That's why I always though the fixation on "good faith" is kinda silly, because it's not about posters not being earnest, its posters not having basic pattern recognition and posting poo poo that stirs up a poo poo storm every time with the same people and presenting no new evidence or data.
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I was agreeing with you. Other posters bring it up as some sort of evil off site thing. It pops up in SAD as point from time to time. And roughly yes I’d agree with your characterization of D&D and CSPAM. I also mostly post in CSPAM anymore too. The problem is there is also real and serious radicalization happening there.
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WarpedLichen posted:I don't think those are two separate things though? I think you can troll with earnestly held beliefs - where you post something you know the majority would disagree with and then fail to engage with the conversation afterwards. That's why I always though the fixation on "good faith" is kinda silly, because it's not about posters not being earnest, its posters not having basic pattern recognition and posting poo poo that stirs up a poo poo storm every time with the same people and presenting no new evidence or data. Yeah the problem isn't disagreeing, it's intentionally poo poo stirring at people you perceive as your enemies because you post 100x a day in a thread dedicated to making them out to be the worst evils of the world. I used to really like D&D, I have no idea how far post history goes back but I had my mind changed about all sorts of dumb/evil poo poo I believed in like the death penalty and white privilege and a large part of that was people being able and willing to call me on my bullshit and engage with me earnestly instead of trying to farm me for SYQ nonsense. I don't even remember what the username was but there was a CSPAM Poster who regged an alt back in the 2020 election and would make endless obvious troll posts and anyone who called it out got probed but not them. Then during a feedback thread like this they proclaimed they were a troll all along and bragged about how they owned us all. The thing is everyone knew they were a troll and most people stopped saying anything because you aren't allowed to. This bullshit these days were we have to pretend someone who has trolled us a 100x times or is posting for 50th time the exact same argument but no one is allowed to call them out is just killing D&D and ruining a place that used to be at least decent at getting informed and getting different perspectives.
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Discendo Vox posted:No. If the "old drama has died down", it's because the trolls have more control; the people who were the most beneficial participants have been driven off of DnD or SA overall. The subforum continues to be harvested and targeted by trolls, actively facilitated by the current pattern of rationalizing not enforcing the rules. This thread is a great example, like its multiple predecessors; users who participate in the forum give feedback; it is either ignored or new actions are actively refused. Trolls poo poo the place up, and it serves to entertain them. “Harvested and targeted” this is just Qanon about the forums. I am entertained by reading good posts, and sometimes making posts and responding to posts. That you have theorycrafted a whole metanarrative around people posting, by and large for fun, is wild poo poo. Would you say you’re having fun posting? Is it a good time? Because if not, why are you here, instead of someplace that fits your idea of seriousness that this of all places obviously doesn’t, and causes this constant struggle posting from you to make it something that it’s not? I do think there’s a good purpose served by having DND and CSPAM, but I think that deciding we’re going to lock DND down the way you want to doesn’t serve a meaningful audience. Like, if I ever get as worked up about the forums as you seem to be rn, that’s a sign I need to take a break, rather than post harder. I don’t mean to get personal but if you’re not having fun, it’s not a requirement to be here. You can take a break and come back when it’s fun again. Lord knows I’ve had times when I was posting too hard and getting too mad—my rap sheet is testament. Since I made the conscious decision that if I’m getting so angry I end up probed behind it, that’s me using the site wrong, and that I need to check in with myself and ask “am I having fun?” it’s been a much more fun and rewarding experience.
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Honestly I think D&D is pretty much fine now. Not really because of anything the current mod team did, but because Koos is not a D&D poster and expresses zero political opinions and minimal political insightfulness. So most of the people who were convinced their constant probes were just political oppression from the biased mods have given up their guerilla resistance and just left D&D. All this time, I guess what we really needed was a neutral outsider. Annoying posting still happens occasionally in USCE, but the volume is way down and can easily be drowned out by actual news. I didn't even bother reporting the electoralism derail the other day because the government's shut down and nobody really had anything else to talk about in USCE anyway - the big problem has never been the electoralism discussion itself, but the way it generates tons of angry petty posts and drowns out everything else anyone's attempting to talk about. USCE has been quite a bit better about staying on the general topic and not getting caught up in days-long circular slapfights. I honestly think that USCE tends to be better than the other, more subject-specific US politics threads these days. The other ones still have more of a tendency toward contextless tweetposting, endless repetitive circular arguments, and so on. For example, basically every single judicial order that makes its way to the Trump Legal Advice thread is still immediately followed by a bunch of random posters posting furious one-liners about how the biased judges are giving Trump a slap on the wrist, followed a few hours later by the thread lawyers saying that what the judge did was actually normal and proper and not special treatment at all. But the thread's slow anyway, so whatever. One thing I will say is that if someone has a history of breaking the D&D rules, then that tends to not be taken into account at all in their probes unless the person typing the report adds "and this person has like thirty probes already for this exact same thing" to the end of a report. If they don't add that line, it's usually just a sixer, but adding that set of magic words seems to fairly consistently elevate the probe length to days or more. So the mods probably aren't looking at rapsheets enough when handling reports.
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selec posted:“Harvested and targeted” this is just Qanon about the forums. I am entertained by reading good posts, and sometimes making posts and responding to posts. That you have theorycrafted a whole metanarrative around people posting, by and large for fun, is wild poo poo. Why this weird constant pretending that succ doesn't exist? You post in it, you know what it does, why pretend otherwise?
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socialsecurity posted:Why this weird constant pretending that succ doesn't exist? You post in it, you know what it does, why pretend otherwise? Because they're trolling the feedback thread. Main Paineframe posted:Honestly I think D&D is pretty much fine now. Not really because of anything the current mod team did, but because Koos is not a D&D poster and expresses zero political opinions and minimal political insightfulness. So most of the people who were convinced their constant probes were just political oppression from the biased mods have given up their guerilla resistance and just left D&D. All this time, I guess what we really needed was a neutral outsider. Main Paineframe posted:Annoying posting still happens occasionally in USCE, but the volume is way down and can easily be drowned out by actual news. I didn't even bother reporting the electoralism derail the other day because the government's shut down and nobody really had anything else to talk about in USCE anyway Main Paineframe posted:- the big problem has never been the electoralism discussion itself, but the way it generates tons of angry petty posts and drowns out everything else anyone's attempting to talk about. Main Paineframe posted:USCE has been quite a bit better about staying on the general topic and not getting caught up in days-long circular slapfights. Main Paineframe posted:One thing I will say is that if someone has a history of breaking the D&D rules, then that tends to not be taken into account at all in their probes unless the person typing the report adds "and this person has like thirty probes already for this exact same thing" to the end of a report. If they don't add that line, it's usually just a sixer, but adding that set of magic words seems to fairly consistently elevate the probe length to days or more. So the mods probably aren't looking at rapsheets enough when handling reports. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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No one has to farm anything for the succ thread. It comes out of the ground like wild flowers.
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socialsecurity posted:Why this weird constant pretending that succ doesn't exist? You post in it, you know what it does, why pretend otherwise? I see those SYQ posts and I don’t see them as harvesting—more like when you see some cool herbs and take them home to make tea. To me, harvesting would be deliberately posting bait, then SYQ’ing the responses. I’m not an SYQ poster, so my reading might be naive, but I don’t see it as fundamentally different from posting stuff in other threads where we mock people making stupid tweets. It feels more personal because it’s another user on the same site, but it’s a behavior we see on all social media: can you believe this rear end in a top hat? Look at this rear end in a top hat! It’s not a particular thing to SA, it’s just the smaller community of users makes it more likely to be taken as a personal affront. The behavior itself is as old as the internet itself. If we make SYQ against the rules, that’s fine, but it should be undertaken knowing it’s us being weird about the internet as it exists for most users, and not like, something we know has succeeded for other sites, unless there’s examples out there of it working meaningfully. I think the real solution is to tell people getting SYQ’d to chill the gently caress out, posting isn’t praxis and people are allowed to make fun of your opinions. It’s just pure aesthetics, “I don’t want this happening to me, so please make it happen somewhere I can’t see it.” Which feels very antithetical to the idea of responding to bad speech with good speech. Ironically, the only way I knew DV was posting wild conspiracy theories calling me out by name is due to a SYQ in the succ thread. selec fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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I don't think that a level of paranoia that would lead someone to believe posts they made in public being blind quoted for a chuckle in another part of the same forums means scary authoritarians are coming to get them or are is a sign of creeping fascism is at all healthy and an environment leading to that mindset should be discouraged. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Foxrunsecurity posted:I don't think that a level of paranoia that would lead someone to believe posts they made in public being blind quoted for a chuckle in another part of the same forums means scary authoritarians are coming to get them or are is a sign of creeping fascism is at all healthy and an environment leading to that mindset should be discouraged. Who believes this?
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socialsecurity posted:Who believes this? Giggle Goose posted:Speaking from the perspective of a mostly lurker in both D&D and CSPAM, the fact that a person in D&D can't post without CSPAMERS reposting and then mocking others for their thoughts (against the rules and creepy as gently caress) really pisses me off. Why would I post in threads I enjoy if there is a risk that a bunch of authoritarians are going to get weird about it? You realize that something could actually happen to someone IRL because of this right? This poo poo was supposed to stop and nothing is done about it. Don't even need to go past the first page to find one.
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A "rival subforum" that's allowed to make fun of D&D posters without those posters being allowed to do the same or (realistically) defend themselves is kinda messed up imo
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Gumball Gumption posted:No one has to farm anything for the succ thread. It comes out of the ground like wild flowers. That's a beautiful thought Gumball.
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my feedback is that d&d probably shouldn’t bother with feedback threads in the future if they’re just going to be entirely about other forums
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Bwee posted:A "rival subforum" that's allowed to make fun of D&D posters without those posters being allowed to do the same or (realistically) defend themselves is kinda messed up imo FYAD does the same but they typically don't touch the poop which works out fine, it's the combination of the mock threads and then posting with them to rile them up intentionally that ruins any attempts at taking a person at face value.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I don't mean for it to be a red herring, just my own experience around trolls and D&D. There is a war being fought in the heads of a handful of posters and then a lot of people who This is why I have the rule against assumptions of bad faith.
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socialsecurity posted:FYAD does the same but they typically don't touch the poop which works out fine, it's the combination of the mock threads and then posting with them to rile them up intentionally that ruins any attempts at taking a person at face value. How do you divine the difference between “sharing my honest opinion” and “rile them up intentionally”? How would you account for some users having higher/lower tolerance for seeing arguments they disagree with on some topics? It’s one thing if it’s “vaccines are fake and don’t work,” because that’s a falsifiable opinion. My believing that electoral remedies aren’t sufficient to provide the kind of dignified existence people deserve isn’t really falsifiable, but imo that doesn’t mean it’s not worth discussing, considering there’s a wealth of history of people taking the same view and doing something about it, to mixed success. If we’re only allowed to talk about electoralism in context of voting, you’re not really a politics thread anymore, you’re a voters thread. I can be interested in politics and discuss them while participating in politics in both voting and other ways, and it seems like that there is so much friction around the topic means (to me) there’s a lot of interest in the idea worth discussing. If we decide you’re not allowed to talk about politics in the context of non-electoral goals or methods, or why people who don’t vote don’t vote, what’s really been won besides a narrower range of conversation? If the feeling is that voting doesn’t get it done, are you just not allowed to have serious political opinions?
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Bwee posted:A "rival subforum" that's allowed to make fun of D&D posters without those posters being allowed to do the same or (realistically) defend themselves is kinda messed up imo
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Bar Ran Dun posted:The problem is there is also real and serious radicalization happening there. Welcome to 'MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES' bitch
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Main Paineframe posted:One thing I will say is that if someone has a history of breaking the D&D rules, then that tends to not be taken into account at all in their probes unless the person typing the report adds "and this person has like thirty probes already for this exact same thing" to the end of a report. If they don't add that line, it's usually just a sixer, but adding that set of magic words seems to fairly consistently elevate the probe length to days or more. So the mods probably aren't looking at rapsheets enough when handling reports. I always try to look at the rap sheet for the same or similar offenses when deciding punishment severity, and this is part of the D&D mod handbook as well. So if that isn't occurring it's because we're doing a poor job. Discendo Vox posted:Koos has a policy of not reading rapsheets, like he doesn't read the forum he moderates. It's another way to justify not acting on bad users, even when their methodology is extremely predictable and longstanding. That is false. I've explained to you on multiple occasions that rap sheets are used to determine punishments but not (necessarily) to determine whether an offense was committed, because that is prejudicial.
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World Famous W posted:blow thread, bring it back I think that's in TCC right now Really though, no thank you. Just post instead. No need to be weird about it or update your poster spreadsheets or whatever
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RBA Starblade posted:I think that's in TCC right now
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:stay the course koos
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selec posted:I see those SYQ posts and I don’t see them as harvesting—more like when you see some cool herbs and take them home to make tea. To me, harvesting would be deliberately posting bait, then SYQ’ing the responses. I’m not an SYQ poster, so my reading might be naive, but I don’t see it as fundamentally different from posting stuff in other threads where we mock people making stupid tweets. It feels more personal because it’s another user on the same site, but it’s a behavior we see on all social media: can you believe this rear end in a top hat? Look at this rear end in a top hat! You know what, you've convinced me that SYQ is fine. My honest suggestion: let's have a SYQ-style thread in D&D with rules and have a rotating thread IK who's not [also] a CSPAM poster. Then we can make fun of CSPAM posters who's bloodlusting for the genocide of Ukranians or whatever and then chain probe anyone who wants to 
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Discendo Vox posted:Because they're trolling the feedback thread. I don't know Discendo Vox posted:It is not. As I have already said, as I have already demonstrated, it has driven off many of the people who made it a place for education or discussion. if I've ever told you this, Discendo Vox posted:Not really because of anything the current mod team did, but because Koos is not a D&D poster and expresses zero political opinions and minimal political insightfulness. So most of the people who were convinced their constant probes were just political oppression from the biased mods have given up their guerilla resistance and just left D&D. All this time, I guess what we really needed was a neutral outsider. but Discendo Vox posted:A tremendous amount of things are happening in the United States. The fact that it is not covered in D&D's USCE thread during a trolling derail does not mean everything else stops- it just means moderation has failed. Again. it's really loving annoying quote:You have correctly identified how trolling works. The point of the electoralism claim is that, by presenting an unfalsifiable counterfactual burden that rejects all discussion of specifics, it demands that response. and hard to read Discendo Vox posted:USCE just has a lot fewer users, because it's gotten bad enough that people have left. when you break a post into individual sentences Discendo Vox posted:Koos has a policy of not reading rapsheets, like he doesn't read the forum he moderates. It's another way to justify not acting on bad users, even when their methodology is extremely predictable and longstanding. and type separate responses to each and every sentence. ------------------------ Anyway, let's hit rewind and address this with a little more clarity of communication. Discendo Vox posted:A tremendous amount of things are happening in the United States. The fact that it is not covered in D&D's USCE thread during a trolling derail does not mean everything else stops- it just means moderation has failed. Again. There's plenty of things happening in the United States, but D&D posters aren't really interested in talking at length about most of them. Which is fine. I also think it's fine if USCE has a lot fewer users. Not everyone wants D&D-style posting, and I think that's absolutely cool and normal. It's fine if GBS or C-SPAM becomes the main SA political forum, while D&D becomes a niche forum for people who want to have a more nuanced or academic conversation about things. We're in the Twitter era of politics, and if D&D is shrinking people people are taking their <140-character takes elsewhere, I think that's a good thing for D&D. I don't think anything's fundamentally wrong with electorialism chat either. It's just that since it's largely based on opinions and theories with no clear "right" answer, it's a discussion with no natural end point. And since it tends to be heavily colored by people's deeply-held frustrations about the political process and environment in the US, people tend to be slow to drop it. So it tends to go on indefinitely unless stopped. This doesn't make it trolling, it just makes it something that needs an occasional mod poke after a while so the thread can move on to something else.
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Kalit posted:You know what, you've convinced me that SYQ is fine. 💯 to this idea.
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Srice posted:wrt the declining users in USCE over the past few years, wouldn't a more likely explanation be a combination of Trump no longer being president (ie - no more watercooler effect of having a president that tweets insane stuff everyday and people wanting to post about that) + the fact that lots of SA posters in general have drifted off to discord over the years? Just wanted to throw it out there, that it doesn't necessarily have to be a decline caused by malicious reasons. I personally don't feel it's inherently a problem unless you're only measuring the value of a thread in sheer number of posts and/or posters. I think it’s this, and the ongoing splintering of Americans who are left of center. If CE isn’t a place you can talk about politics without swearing fealty to VBNMW, a lot of leftists (not my dumb rear end) are just gonna go to cspam for their politics chat, because they have (rightly, IMO) realized posting isn’t praxis, it’s something you do for fun. You’re just chatting and commiserating, and they’ve made the realization that CE is that but there’s also this rules structure in place that created all these guardrails for reasons that don’t seem meaningful or useful beyond protecting a worldview, which makes it less fun. Ultimately the first and most important question for moderating, to me, is “are we having fun here?” and if not, why not? If there are certain users who cannot meaningfully have fun posting about certain topics, that’s a them problem to me. But all this depends on the shared understanding that our posts don’t actually change anything in the world, and thus having fun (and learning stuff) should be our primary goal. If you disagree on that basic point, what are we even doing here?
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Yeah I'd really like to know how many of these supposed subject matter experts have actually been driven off by the vile CSPAM trolls as opposed to just losing interest or any other explanation. I imagine a lot of people left when the lowtax domestic abuse poo poo came out. I know it's a dumb meme but I think it's really important for perspective: this is the serious politics subforum in a dying 1.0 web forum that was founded by a wife beater, grifter, and all around rear end in a top hat. It's nice to have a serious discussion about some things but this isn't some esteemed scholarly debate hall where wise elders develop brilliant new solutions to philosophical quandaries. It's the serious section of a place where people laugh about 9/11 and a pig pooping on its enormous balls. I'm not saying it shouldn't be a place for serious debate, but more that people shouldn't take it (or themselves) too seriously.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Welcome to 'MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES' bitch Well that and propaganda. You’ll find I am quite willing to confront takes that look remarkably strasserist in CSPAM. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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Fister Roboto posted:Yeah I'd really like to know how many of these supposed subject matter experts have actually been driven off by the vile CSPAM trolls as opposed to just losing interest or any other explanation. I imagine a lot of people left when the lowtax domestic abuse poo poo came out. Yes! We have a great external example of a place where people post as though their lives depend on it, people who it’s quite apparent are not having fun on the internet, and it’s called Twitter/X. The belief that your posts capital-m Matter is very popular among a huge portion of that userbase. And just look at them! A miserable turd of a site! Is that what we want to emulate?
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selec posted:I think it’s this, and the ongoing splintering of Americans who are left of center. If CE isn’t a place you can talk about politics without swearing fealty to VBNMW, a lot of leftists (not my dumb rear end) are just gonna go to cspam for their politics chat, because they have (rightly, IMO) realized posting isn’t praxis, it’s something you do for fun. You’re just chatting and commiserating, and they’ve made the realization that CE is that but there’s also this rules structure in place that created all these guardrails for reasons that don’t seem meaningful or useful beyond protecting a worldview, which makes it less fun. I think hidden within the question is "what is fun" is "who is it fun for." I personally think the CSPAM forum war stuff is dumb, but I don't read CSPAM personally because it's not a very fun environment to be in for me. And I think it's fine that CSPAM enjoyers have their space. I would think the question about how DnD is would need a deeper examination on what you're enjoying about it and whether the other members of the community are also having fun with it.
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WarpedLichen posted:I think hidden within the question is "what is fun" is "who is it fun for." I personally think the CSPAM forum war stuff is dumb, but I don't read CSPAM personally because it's not a very fun environment to be in for me. And I think it's fine that CSPAM enjoyers have their space. I would think the question about how DnD is would need a deeper examination on what you're enjoying about it and whether the other members of the community are also having fun with it. I can see that. When the succ thread over there gets too doomerish for my tastes, I just yank it out of my bookmarks for a month. I think that’s the healthy response, rather than fighting the tide. There’s a lot of posts I reconsider making in CE for the same reasons. Since my “post for fun, not for any other reason, just the fun of sharing and reading other perspectives” epiphany my enjoyment of the forums has gone way up. Even DV’s walls of text about supplement labeling no longer piss me off. I just see them and my eyes drip right off, because I’m able to say “huh, guess that’s fun for them” and just keep on trucking. I wish more folks could do that, honestly, because ultimately it’s made the forums a much more positive experience for me, and I think it would help other people. It would also make moderation a lot easier, I suspect, and allow us all to be a little more chill. I think the impulse to impute deeper motives or look for radicalization happening is indicative of not realizing posts aren’t praxis, but also just unhealthy, giving people you don’t know and cannot have that level of insight into their motives cognitive space doesn’t seem healthy, because it’s unresolvable, besides just being silly conspiracy theorycrafting.
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Kalit posted:You know what, you've convinced me that SYQ is fine. No.
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