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peer posted:admech patrol is 260 points lol (current one is 385, the lowest of any) Wonder if that's an indication of the codex making the units stronger and more elite, since they were pretty underwhelming on 10e release. AdMech really need it when a lot of those basic skitarii guys sell outside the CP at like £7-10 per model.
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peer posted:admech patrol is 260 points lol (current one is 385, the lowest of any) does that mean it's weaker? the units in it look super cool! I wonder what's the fat guy's deal.
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I like how they got rid of the old Ad Mech patrol which was a well-balanced mix of stuff plus a kinda useless walker, and came out with a new Necron combat patrol which is a well-balanced mix of stuff plus a kinda useless walkerAl-Saqr posted:does that mean it's weaker? admech stuff is very expensive for its point cost fat dude is a pretty good unit leader with an efficient gun Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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Cease to Hope posted:I like how they got rid of the old Ad Mech patrol which was a well-balanced mix of stuff plus a kinda useless walker, and came out with a new Necron combat patrol which is a well-balanced mix of stuff plus a kinda useless walker The article says that this new combat patrol doesnt replace the old one.
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Isn't the Necron combat patrol the same as it was before?
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rantmo posted:Isn't the Necron combat patrol the same as it was before? Their CP box from 9th had an aircraft in which doesn't work well in a small game format. It got quietly discontinued at the start of 10th, and they included this new Necron box in the rulebook but it hasn't actually been released yet.
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Nov 6, 2023 15:48
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Al-Saqr posted:does that mean it's weaker? Well, kind of. If you're playing specifically the Combat Patrol format, against other factions' patrol boxes, you'll likely struggle both because your units are cheaper, which usually means less powerful, and because that box has no anti-vehicle weaponry. If you're interested in the box as a starting point for a whole army, it's fine. Admech's always expensive in terms of bucks per point. edit: xtothez posted:Wonder if that's an indication of the codex making the units stronger and more elite, since they were pretty underwhelming on 10e release. I very strongly doubt we'll see significant datasheet changes, but I hope you're right
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Genghis Cohen posted:Just wanted to say this is a truly great conversion, I have never ever liked the look of that Scion greatcoat bit in any other situation except this, but something about how you've fitted it on there are positioned the right arm (presumably sculpting it entirely) just makes it look more natural, in a way I don't think the stock Scion leader does. Well done! Lostconfused posted:The models are at different angles, but it's the coat collar. On the conversion it looks close enough to make it look like the coat is being worn, instead of just floating there on the game workshop sculpt. Or a stiff high collar just doesn't look good if it's not framing the head properly. Thanks for such kind words, plus thanks to others I'm not quoting. I definitely agree that the coat doesn't look right on the scion, it looks like it floats just behind him. I assembled the coat first, took the coat and mini to a bench grinder and just ground down the mini until I could get the coat fitting snug. I did sculpt the right "arm", but really it is just the hand, plus some gap filling and the cord. I enjoyed this conversion so much I might make another to use as an officer.
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xtothez posted:Their CP box from 9th had an aircraft in which doesn't work well in a small game format. It got quietly discontinued at the start of 10th, and they included this new Necron box in the rulebook but it hasn't actually been released yet. Ahhh, that explains it, thanks.
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Al-Saqr posted:The article says that this new combat patrol doesnt replace the old one. they're gonna stop selling the old one, i expect, rather than having two boxes with the same name my local shops still have the admech boarding patrol and christmas box, lmao
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Nov 6, 2023 16:13
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After gluing twenty five guardsmen I'm already sick of Cadia's poo poo. There's just not enough variety, I need to find a way to break this up somewhat.
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Nov 6, 2023 16:30
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The Admech CP is basically the old Christmas battleforce box, minus the big units. (And I think they had 6 pteraxi)
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Lostconfused posted:After gluing twenty five guardsmen headswaps help if you have any other kits. I used all scion heads one set, and all palantine enforcers for another, they look pretty sick
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Cease to Hope posted:phoenix gem winged autarch is incredibly good, like in the running for best lone op in the entire game good. spiritseers are much better with WB or WG because the resurrections are half of their value. I already have one Spiritseer with fates messenger riding with my Wraithguard in a Wave Serpent. I might change it up and have Spiritseer #2 walk with the wraithblades, haven't decided yet on that. But with your encouragement I do think I'll drop the enhancement on the seer to add to the Autarch. Also I'm running 2 Wraithlords 
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com...us-and-necrons/ I'm hopeful this means they'll keep putting out new combat patrol teams at least occasionally
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Unless they're doing some major changes to AdMech units, that new patrol is going to be ridiculously vulnerable to any fire. Toughness 3-4 and 4+ saves, a total of ~30 wounds in the patrol. Zero ability to deal with any kind of vehicle. I guess if both the riders and flyers have their flamers they at least get one decent round of ant-infantry fire off, and charging is very strongly discouraged while one of those units still lives. I've played a few battles with the current patrol. Your infantry units die at a rate of about one per turn, so by turn 3 you're down to the indestructible walker. You'll just lose due to inability to challenge more than one objective at that point.
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I mean a horde of cyborgs is a pretty dope idea for an army, it’s just not what I thought AdMech would be
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I hope they get way better with the codex. One of my buddies plays them, nominally, I think he's played two games of 40k this year so the actual playing has been pretty minimal and has spent the time since 10th launched lamenting how poo poo they are in our discord incessantly.
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xtothez posted:Their CP box from 9th had an aircraft in which doesn't work well in a small game format. It got quietly discontinued at the start of 10th, and they included this new Necron box in the rulebook but it hasn't actually been released yet. i still want more aircraft lol it includes a doomstalker...i've never seen anyone irl include that, hope it gets buffed
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Captain Magic posted:I mean a horde of cyborgs is a pretty dope idea for an army, it’s just not what I thought AdMech would be While I love the look of the Skitarii, I agree. I thought there would be a lot more weird tanks, walkers and other vehicles.
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I haven't played a "real" game of AdMech yet, but they do seem quite fragile. And given how expensive they are in pts per €, you spend a lot of money and time placing models on the table that you then immediately get to pick back up. Also, my collection went down hundreds of points from 9th to 10th, so I'd have to spend even more just to have a full army. I'd have to slot in a Knight to get to 2k if I wanted to play right now.
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They're only slightly more expensive than Astra Militarum from looking at the Games Workshop store page. They are a lot more expensive on points though in comparison. Looking at the prices again, smaller armies seem to be a lot cheaper in terms of pricing, 10 miniature are in the same price range, smh. Lostconfused fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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Nov 6, 2023 19:22
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GW's prices have always been the worst part of warham tbf
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GreenBuckanneer posted:i still want more aircraft i think it was a mistake to have it look as much like the reanimator as it does. it looks very bland in photos but it's a weird creepy murder tower IRL. it's also basically the same unit as doomsday arks and gauss heavy lokhusts, so it just kinda gets overlooked. i imagine it'll see a bit more play now that it's in a box you'd actually want to buy.
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Lostconfused posted:They're only slightly more expensive than Astra Militarum from looking at the Games Workshop store page. They are a lot more expensive on points though in comparison. According to Poorhammer (youtube vid) a month ago, Admech had the worst average points per dollar ratio at 1.49 pts/$. Some points values have changed since then but I doubt they've gotten that much better. But yeah, especially with value boxes, as you'd expect super elite armies like Custodes and Grey Knights are some of the cheapest. e: anyways it's dumb that $50 doesn't even get you 20 guard models, $5/model for guardsmen is insane. Though I think the Cadia Stands box in the US is still ~$110 so there are deals to be had, just not via paying MSRP. Nancy fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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I am tempted to just get another cheap guard combat patrol box, because it would be silly to get those minis another way. But I'm also just rethinking this whole guards thing now. I'm going to try and exercise some self control and not buy anything until I get the ones I have done and painted.
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Lostconfused posted:I'm going to try and exercise some self control and not buy anything until I get the ones I have done and painted. This is the hardest part of the hobby. I've got 1000 points of Iron Warriors still unbuilt and I'm already planning my 2k list. EDIT - Back in 2008 (so 5th Edition) prices were set more by Forge Org slot; so a Troops box was $35, whether that was 10 space marines/Eldar guardians/etc or 20 cadians/Ork boyz/termagants/etc. Super Waffle fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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Nancy posted:According to Poorhammer (youtube vid) a month ago, Admech had the worst average points per dollar ratio at 1.49 pts/$. Some points values have changed since then but I doubt they've gotten that much better. I've never sat through that video but it's silly to average out every model in an army and do a points/$ for it. Tyranids are actually very expensive if you want to build a currently meta list because of how much it relies on 100-ish point monsters in $90 boxes and if you go for an Assimilation Swarm you're paying $50 per model for up to 9 Pyrovores which are 30 points each.
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Nancy posted:anyways it's dumb that $50 doesn't even get you 20 guard models, $5/model for guardsmen is insane. Though I think the Cadia Stands box in the US is still ~$110 so there are deals to be had, just not via paying MSRP. fwiw the guard combat patrol is the same as the cadia stands box, albeit without the only-briefly-useful 9e codex and unit cards. admech tends to collect dust on the shelf so you can still find a bunch of the old value boxes.
everything else is from like five years ago and you probably won't ever find it. if you're wanting to start scrounging, now is the time, since if the codex is good people will probably finally snap these up. Eej posted:I've never sat through that video but it's silly to average out every model in an army and do a points/$ for it. true but admech have one unit with a reasonable points:dollars ratio, robots, and they're dogshit Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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When I came back to warhammer I was so stoked to hear the AdMech was a full army now and was sure they were going to be my faction. Once I actually looked at the models I was so disappointed. The Horus Heresy range fits the Admech theme infinitely better, wish they would have just used those designs.
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I'm planning out a super basic ork 1k army, I started with a combat patrol and everyone I play with has agreed that the war boss in mega armor should be able to lead basic Boyz, because why else is he in a box with them. My potential list is: 2 trukks 3 deffkoptas 1 deff dread Mozrog skragbad 1 weird boy + 9 boyz and a boss nob 1 pain boy + 9 boyz and a boss nob 1 Warboss in mega armor + 9 boyz and a boss nob Comes out to 1005pts My friends play an rear end load of iron hands, tyrannids, and necrons. Most games would hover around the 1k point range, and considering what happened last game I'm feeling very good about it, I just need something to handle bigger vehicles and monsters reasonably well. Turn one would be normal, turn two would be a combo of deep striking with the deffkoptas and weirdboy poo poo to slap down any long range infantry that they have. After that it's all drifting through the battlefield and mech fights before the inevitable waagh mob on whatever is still a Problem. Does this sound like a reasonable plan? I'm cheap as hell and this looks to be around 300 bucks all in.
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Eej posted:I've never sat through that video but it's silly to average out every model in an army and do a points/$ for it. Tyranids are actually very expensive if you want to build a currently meta list because of how much it relies on 100-ish point monsters in $90 boxes and if you go for an Assimilation Swarm you're paying $50 per model for up to 9 Pyrovores which are 30 points each. They address the fact that this isn't the ultimate answer for $=pts & that some lists are going to be vastly more expensive (or vastly cheaper) within each army; only ~15 minutes is spent on the average prices ranking thing. I took it more for a view on the concept of "value" within the hobby.
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Good they've opened the door to new combat patrols rather than just being married to a bunch that were put together before the game mode was concieved.
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I know I can go search old posts, but maybe it's easier to just ask. What drilling tools do I need to magnetize the miniatures?
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Just a hobby drill and some bits.
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:I'm planning out a super basic ork 1k army, I started with a combat patrol and everyone I play with has agreed that the war boss in mega armor should be able to lead basic Boyz, because why else is he in a box with them. I think you can slap the weird and pain boy mobz together b/c Boyz in groups 20 or more can have 2 leaders. Or do it to the warboss mob and teleport him into a man. It's my plan once I get an army set up, so if it's not in the rules, now is as good a time as ever to find out. I think the boss nob counts as a boy? Not sure.
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Super Waffle posted:When I came back to warhammer I was so stoked to hear the AdMech was a full army now and was sure they were going to be my faction. Once I actually looked at the models I was so disappointed. The Horus Heresy range fits the Admech theme infinitely better, wish they would have just used those designs. Yeah. The HH AdMech line is awesome. If I were to play AdMech I’d want to play an army of Tech Priests, robots and weird tanks. Not Skitarii. Unfortunately, that’s just not what the 40K AdMech line is.
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