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norway has for a very long time been an empirically good place to start a business. the issue, as i understand it, is that once you've started your business you need to basically be doing computer touching or resource extraction because you're uncompetitive on wages otherwise. so once the business is up and running, if it's one of those boring old-style shops that makes things to sell, it is almost always a good idea to either sell out or flag out. the end of the scandinavian model of wage restraint in high-earning sectors also means that norway has to be in permanent fiscal discipline-mode to avoid dutch disease, which may be what that professor guy was getting at with his 1,5% proposed spending cap. i do not think that turning electricity into an export commodity of its own rather than a competitive advantage for norwegian industry more generally was a good move either way, though
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V. Illych L. posted:norway has for a very long time been an empirically good place to start a business. the issue, as i understand it, is that once you've started your business you need to basically be doing computer touching or resource extraction because you're uncompetitive on wages otherwise. so once the business is up and running, if it's one of those boring old-style shops that makes things to sell, it is almost always a good idea to either sell out or flag out. Are you talking about the export market here? Because that's going absolutely swimmingly now that the NOK has tanked And yeah, "flag out" is a really economically beneficial thing to do for the owners - not necessarily for the companies that still operate in Norway. I really don't think we need to placate people who wants the benefit of our generous gründer policies just to gently caress off to avoid paying taxes. I say let them leave and revise our system so that they can't exploit that loophole. Right now their getting both bag and sack Witzø wants to move? Let him, but cancel his quotas and redistribute them to local actors. Some poo poo heel welfare profiteer starts to move out? Ban for-profit welfare And yes, I know much of the things we should do is against EEC rules, but look to other countries and see how meaningless those rulings actually are quote:dutch disease https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/there-never-was-real-tulip-fever-180964915/
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Dutch disease refers to a situation where one export oriented industrial sector, often in resource extraction, is experiencing a boom and the increased revenue leads to boom in domestic economy like in service sector. But this increases real exchange rate meaning that all the export oriented industries that aren't experiencing the boom will start losing their competitive edge. The name doesn't refer to Tulip mania of 17th century, it refers to analysis of Dutch economy in 20th century when they experienced boom in natural gas extraction industry.
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Mads Brügger is accusing Arbejderen of being in favor of holocausting Israel. Brave words from a man who vociferously supported Dan Park.
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yeah the idea is that the costs of doing business outside of superprofitable sectors get pushed up by the superprofitable sector. back in the day this was handled by simple wage discipline in the norwegian model system; after that collapsed, jens stoltenberg formulated the whole state pension fund scheme and imposed handlingsregelen as a mode of permanent fiscal restraint to keep the heat down a little. combine this with a knack for medium-term economic planning and norway has hitherto managed to avoid the petroleum industry cannibalising the rest of the economy - but it looks worse now for various reasons.
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We could only stave it off for so long. If we want to stay in EU`s good graces which we kind of have to we are quite limited in our ability to create new profitable industries. Pointing the money hose at R&D is at least something. Let the Saudis buy all the aging sports stars they want. We should be offering lucruative deals to STEM reasearchers all over the world. You migth hate the food and the weather and the people. But at least you`ll funding for research. All you have to do is sign over a share of future potential IP revenue.... As socially unfair as it migth be i am favor of removing the wealth tax in its current form. Its a huge incentive for deindustrialization.
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V. Illych L. posted:yeah the idea is that the costs of doing business outside of superprofitable sectors get pushed up by the superprofitable sector. back in the day this was handled by simple wage discipline in the norwegian model system; after that collapsed, jens stoltenberg formulated the whole state pension fund scheme and imposed handlingsregelen as a mode of permanent fiscal restraint to keep the heat down a little. combine this with a knack for medium-term economic planning and norway has hitherto managed to avoid the petroleum industry cannibalising the rest of the economy - but it looks worse now for various reasons. We're heading into a demographic crisis, with crumbling public infrastructure and skyrocketing inequality. poo poo is looking rather dire for the future of the Norway, IMO. Baudolino posted:As socially unfair as it migth be i am favor of removing the wealth tax in its current form. Its a huge incentive for deindustrialization. The wealth tax in its current incarnation is a poison pill and should be removed or at least significantly reformed. Preferably before more business owners sell to foreigners or move to Switzerland*. The inheritance tax should be reintroduced but with a basic deduction of 20-50 million NOK. *This loophole bullshit needs to be closed and we should institute a hefty "exile" tax for the shitheads that moved out just to skirt paying taxes.
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either we capitulate to the capitalists or we do something else. abolishing the wealth tax makes sense as part of a strategy of capitulation, but if we choose that path we really cannot complain when we see inequality keep massively increasing i agree that under the EU-based strategy pursued by effectively the entire governing elite of the day, such capitulation appears to be the only workable option. this is why not being opposed to that strategy makes very little sense to anyone on the left imo.
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V. Illych L. posted:either we capitulate to the capitalists or we do something else. abolishing the wealth tax makes sense as part of a strategy of capitulation, but if we choose that path we really cannot complain when we see inequality keep massively increasing Yeah Sweden did away with or decreased most types of wealth taxes the last 20 years (inheritance tax, property tax, capital taxes etc) and the resuts were, well, a sharp increase in the speed of wealth disparity. Who. Could. Have. Guessed?
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Don't take my word for this, but I remember reading that removing the Norwegian wealth tax would create 20,000 zero-tax payers. If these are the people who move away thanks to that tax, they aren't really necessary so gently caress them
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gently caress em
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Kevin Bacon posted:gently caress em
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Kevin Bacon posted:gently caress em
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Don't gently caress them. That's how they reproduce.
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I was only listening with half an ear at work, but if I heard correctly the Solberg situation led to zero legal repercussions?
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Correct.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I was only listening with half an ear at work, but if I heard correctly the Solberg situation led to zero legal repercussions? Yeah but Sindre's feefees got hurt 
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I was only listening with half an ear at work, but if I heard correctly the Solberg situation led to zero legal repercussions? to the surprise of nobody
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I was only listening with half an ear at work, but if I heard correctly the Solberg situation led to zero legal repercussions? Whomst among us can truly say we haven't done the very same thing she did? Can you honestly claim that you never once made governmental decisions impacting your husband's stock portfolio and told him about them before telling the public?
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Can't politicians have just a little corruption, as a treat?
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i can believe that the rules as written don't punish this sort of behaviour, but those rules then really need to be rewritten' as it stands, insider trading is now perfectly legal so long as it's properly laundered and you don't beat the market by too much
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SplitSoul posted:Mads Brügger is accusing Arbejderen of being in favor of holocausting Israel. Brave words from a man who vociferously supported Dan Park. The political class and the collaborationist press are supporting an ongoing genocide, logical consistency is pretty far down on the list of problems. Sartre pointed out that arguing with these people is pointless. They are well aware that their arguments are facile. They're just trying to suppress dissent. And when words don't work, they'll try to intimidate people, or pull a France and criminalize dissent outright. Denmark has laws on the books criminalizing "approval of terrorism". K have already been opining that showing support for Hamas should fall under these laws.
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Jack Trades posted:https://www.di.se/live/if-metall-fler-sympatistrejker-mot-tesla/  NRK had a busy october V. Illych L. posted:i can believe that the rules as written don't punish this sort of behaviour, but those rules then really need to be rewritten' It's a feature, not a bug
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V. Illych L. posted:i can believe that the rules as written don't punish this sort of behaviour, but those rules then really need to be rewritten' Now ask yourself two questions. Who benefits from those rules being as they are right now? and Who writes those rules?
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I remember when Audun Lysbakken resigned as a minister because his department (not him) gave "Jenteforsvaret" a sub-organization ran by Socialist Youth 150,000 NOK to hold classes for self defense
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Anders posted:I remember when Audun Lysbakken resigned as a minister because his department (not him) gave "Jenteforsvaret" a sub-organization ran by Socialist Youth 150,000 NOK to hold classes for self defense 
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The main reason I vote SV is because of this - if you're in the leadership of SV and gently caress up your harshest criticism won't be from the media or political opponents. You get 15,000 members who go "Jeg er ikke sint, bare veldig veldig skuffet" and your political career is over if you don't take responsibility. It's been that way since Berit Ås I'm not sure about all the rest of the parties, but I think Venstre also has a decent party culture where people are held accountable even if they're "good politicians" like serial sex abuser Trond "Gisse" Giske, has personal allies in the party like Huitfeld, or is good for elections like Solberg
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Anders posted:
Norwegian stevedores refuse to unload Swedish Teslas
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Mette Frederiksen has asked the Minister of Justice to investigate the protests against the genocide in Gaza for "support for terrorism". My hatred for this disgusting ghoul is pure, undiluted Vantablack at this point.
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SplitSoul posted:Mette Frederiksen has asked the Minister of Justice to investigate the protests against the genocide in Gaza for "support for terrorism". My hatred for this disgusting ghoul is pure, undiluted Vantablack at this point. You do have the worst politicians in Scandinavia. Remember the law that made something legal from '68-'80? Or the 2005 ban that only happened because of tourism? IMO, the only thing you got going for you currently is LEGO land, Tivoli, cheese and Matilda milkshake. The rest is mid to outright bad (Yes, this is hyperbole as an emotional response to the racism)
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I already sort of resigned myself to only considering parties left of S in the future after they began their fling with V and V-light. Haven't dug into how B, F, Ø and Å have positioned themselves on the conflict in the past couple of weeks. Any disappointment awaiting me there?
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Slashrat posted:I already sort of resigned myself to only considering parties left of S in the future after they began their fling with V and V-light. Haven't dug into how B, F, Ø and Å have positioned themselves on the conflict in the past couple of weeks. Any disappointment awaiting me there? From my limited knowledge of Danish politics, I'd say yes. If there are any pro-Palestinians further to the right of the Social Democrats they're likely anti-semitic instead of anti-zionistic But I assume the worst about all Danish politicians so...
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Slashrat posted:I already sort of resigned myself to only considering parties left of S in the future after they began their fling with V and V-light. Haven't dug into how B, F, Ø and Å have positioned themselves on the conflict in the past couple of weeks. Any disappointment awaiting me there? Dragsted essentially both sides'd the Gaza genocide. Caused a friend of mine, a long-time member of Ø, to finally bail the sinking ship. Reject bourgois electoral bullshit; only disappointment awaits you.
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https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks...67873b37f523ea2 GISKEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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it owns that ingvild kjerkol got her pick of a cabinet position to kill giske stone dead and then couldn't make it stick properly
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kjersti stenseng is probably the worst thing to happen to Ap since the moscow theses
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V. Illych L. posted:it owns that ingvild kjerkol got her pick of a cabinet position to kill giske stone dead and then couldn't make it stick properly Uh she's saddled with the fallout of the stupidest it procurement scandal in decades that was super easy to see coming, in a region where both she and Giske is from. Health minister was the first pick for that? Anyway, hard to kill off the guy pointing at your massive failures as a party when you keep giving him ammo.
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