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Popoto posted:I’ve always said since the beginning that the main takeaway of this from every big western state in the future isn’t going to be “how can we do less genocide” but “how can we control the online narrative better” and I would not be surprised to see a clamp down on the way information spread, or a least an attempt. Alan MacLeod wrote a series of articles for mint press (i think). he showed the people in charge of content moderation for all the different platforms have linkedin profiles that read 'psyops' and poo poo. iirc, NATO was in tiktok, FBI was in twitter, CIA had facebook, etc.
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Sherbert Hoover posted:It's also causing some truly bizarre attempts to rectify contradictions in right-wing pro-Israel brains, wherein they already hate and mistrust mainstream media, so they are now convinced that the NYT etc. is extremely pro-Palestinian. It is pretty amusing that this one issue is stressing the far rights' load bearing contradictions to the breaking point.
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as someone who used to compulsively post in lol look at what these idiot right wingers are talking about lmao threads, i barely even give a gently caress these days. when one of those dipshits try and get attention like calling for executions of gay people in america, gently caress off i dont care. my war is with the lying liberal media now
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Asproigerosis posted:It is pretty amusing that this one issue is stressing the far rights' load bearing contradictions to the breaking point. I legit think this is why Henry Cymerman is playing every single hit with no retractions while covering for portuguese telly: He used to be the kind of person that would meet up with PLO people and actively try to cover some of the more messed up positions on Israeli society, but now he's stuck between the IDF-mandated "you must only say good things about us", tv stations that are fully gungho about it and will fight you if you as much go "I don't think Hamas is eating babies" and a position on the Israeli labor party. When he did the most poo poo eating grin to the host and was like "The UN isn't respected here and they should worry more about how to release the hostages", fully knowing that anyone with a cable subscription can just watch Al-Jazeera or go online or read Times Of Israel Knows that he's saying nonsense to idiots, I gathered that he also knows that he can no longer go back to doing Israeli "Being Japanology" for Portugal. It's a bit hard to sell us on the plucky portuguese migrants there, on a tiny lovely suburb house on a place that totally looks like the outskirts of a portuguese town capital, without also noticing Ben G'vir happily handling weapons and realizing "oh yeah this boob is living on a militarized place where every adult is now a combatant". At some point, doing the equivalent of replying to every Palestinian argument with the loving "So You Hate Waffles" tweet is going to break and the only interaction with the public won't be just a tv host that won't question if you tell the portuguese public any sort of stupid poo poo that was debunked 5 hours before the evening news.
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Strep Vote posted:🎶if it hadn't been for genocide Joe...🎵 
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Ardennes posted:A tank doesn’t have to be exploded in a fireball to have it be a mission kill and it needed to be taken off the line btw. Oh hey I’ve got a question now, how does that work? I never really thought about where dead tanks go, leaving them there probably isn’t good and leaving them in an environment like Gaza introduces unique problems (“you can’t get there from here, all the roads are blocked in a really expensive way”) I don’t know how available this information is, but how would a competent army theoretically solve this problem in this situation, and what’s israel doing instead of that?
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gradenko_2000 posted:The development of containerization and it's second order effects on longshoremen was one of the great tragedies for the proletariat.
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Real Mean Queen posted:Oh hey I’ve got a question now, how does that work? I never really thought about where dead tanks go, leaving them there probably isn’t good and leaving them in an environment like Gaza introduces unique problems (“you can’t get there from here, all the roads are blocked in a really expensive way”) 
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Real Mean Queen posted:Oh hey I’ve got a question now, how does that work? I never really thought about where dead tanks go, leaving them there probably isn’t good and leaving them in an environment like Gaza introduces unique problems (“you can’t get there from here, all the roads are blocked in a really expensive way”) I think the US has the ability to airlift tanks, and maybe other states too. The usual approach would be to use big ol' trucks as recovery vehicles to get the equipment to a more secure motor pool, but that obviously requires securing the ground first. I don't know the answer, but I suspect the IDF is integrating Uber or Lyft into their system somehow.
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PhilippAchtel posted:https://twitter.com/amirtibon/status/1721764689053467110 This guy is so desperate to make a solemn land acknowledgement
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Real Mean Queen posted:Oh hey I’ve got a question now, how does that work? I never really thought about where dead tanks go, leaving them there probably isn’t good and leaving them in an environment like Gaza introduces unique problems (“you can’t get there from here, all the roads are blocked in a really expensive way”) if a tank is disabled but still potentially repairable, an army would usually attempt to haul the tanks back towards their lines - sometimes you have a dedicated vehicle for this, sometimes you use a second tank, sometimes you use whatever's available, like a tractor or a truck as long as it has enough power to drag the thing destroyed tanks or complete write-offs are usually just left there - if it's in the way then it gets blown-up or dragged out of the way, but disposal is usually an "after the war", or a "once this area is well secure and people are actively rebuilding" problem in a place like Gaza, I assume that any tank that the IDF cannot or will not remove on their own will simply stay there, since the Palestinians likely have few resources, and little interest, in disposing of or moving them
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Real Mean Queen posted:Oh hey I’ve got a question now, how does that work? I never really thought about where dead tanks go, leaving them there probably isn’t good and leaving them in an environment like Gaza introduces unique problems (“you can’t get there from here, all the roads are blocked in a really expensive way”) If the vehicle is recoverable an engineering team will come by, if the area is safe, and haul it back to a depot/machine shop to be restored. If it’s not, it’ll be left on the field or shoved out of the way if it was knocked out in an inconvenient spot and hauled away for scrap either by the military or locals at some point
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https://twitter.com/ImpactIsrael/status/1721474505506492469 Rainbow genocidal Zionists 
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israel has completely failed to ethnically cleanse the palestinians from the north of Gaza where around a million people are still in Gaza city https://twitter.com/alarabytv/status/1721859665644957750?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg
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BUUNNI posted:https://twitter.com/ImpactIsrael/status/1721474505506492469 Lets 👏 Go 👏 Bomb 👏 Telaviv, 👏 Qassam!
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crepeface posted:Alan MacLeod wrote a series of articles for mint press (i think). he showed the people in charge of content moderation for all the different platforms have linkedin profiles that read 'psyops' and poo poo. And the really wild thing is that the tools are so sophisticated that you can be suppressed without any explicitly visible signs that anything was done at all. These tools need to be in the hands of people we can trust, but the best we can currently hope for is that they are so incompetent or disinterested that the truth sneaks through. Asproigerosis posted:It is pretty amusing that this one issue is stressing the far rights' load bearing contradictions to the breaking point. Ya it's especially funny to see people like Ben Shapiro doggedly defend state action... as long as it's Israel.
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DancingShade posted:Me an Israeli sitting inside my merkava, fingers in ears, eyes closed, la la la I can't hear you. My tank is invincible.
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Popoto posted:I’ve always said since the beginning that the main takeaway of this from every big western state in the future isn’t going to be “how can we do less genocide” but “how can we control the online narrative better” and I would not be surprised to see a clamp down on the way information spread, or a least an attempt. Well if they wanted to control the narrative the best time to do it was before they started bombing hospitals, cuz the way things are now they've failed utterly to silence dissenting voices online. Every attempt by the pro "kill Palestine" freaks to paint this as a justified slaughter has been about as effective as the old "the right is getting better at comedy" tweet except this time the liberals are laughing with them. Arc Hammer has issued a correction as of 14:16 on Nov 7, 2023 |
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another merkava down todays total merkava kill count is 6-7 https://x.com/alarabytv/status/1721873484056232384?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg
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crepeface posted:they usually go for incredibly costly upkeep, maintainence and propriety ammo rather than planned obsolescence for military stuff it's this. You don't want them to buy another tank, that comes out of a different procurement budget that may not get approved. you want them to pay you many times the cost of the base vehicle for the next 45 years to keep the one you sold them operational.
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OctaMurk posted:So they wanted to make a Socialist state, based on some idea of racial Nationalism that would require carving living space away from other people? Interesting Herzl literally referred to it as Social Nationalism, yes.
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Harik posted:it's this. You don't want them to buy another tank, that comes out of a different procurement budget that may not get approved. you want them to pay you many times the cost of the base vehicle for the next 45 years to keep the one you sold them operational. Then, when you can't sell the old stuff anymore, you do a bunch of insane refits and market it for a bunch of things it wasn't meant to do in the first place
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Al-Saqr posted:another merkava down todays total merkava kill count is 6-7 so what are these tanks even achieving?
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CODChimera posted:so what are these tanks even achieving? Killing Kibbutzniks and failing at everything else
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CODChimera posted:so what are these tanks even achieving? they have destroyed the perceived toughness of Israel's tank corp
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CODChimera posted:so what are these tanks even achieving? premature culmination
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CODChimera posted:so what are these tanks even achieving? They're preventing HD GoPro footage of IOF soldiers getting shot from showing up on social media. Exploding tanks looks better for PR than Juba videos I guess.
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CODChimera posted:so what are these tanks even achieving? popularizing a small red triangle as a symbol of national liberation and anticolonial resistance
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gradenko_2000 posted:popularizing a small red triangle as a symbol of national liberation and anticolonial resistance the red triangle is actually the palestinian flag, but thanks to png transparency magic it can be also be used for other purposes
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External Organs posted:This guy is so desperate to make a solemn land acknowledgement He wants to but the got dang Palestianians are still here!
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*singing Sweet Caroline* free palestine da da da from the river to the sea
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PhilippAchtel posted:Wait, what? If Israel must retaliate, then doesn't that mean that Palestine must retaliate to the retaliation to secure its existence? drat this guy sucks rear end
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crepeface posted:Alan MacLeod wrote a series of articles for mint press (i think). he showed the people in charge of content moderation for all the different platforms have linkedin profiles that read 'psyops' and poo poo. yeah, it's a straightforward process. social media companies don't want to face regulation, so the put together content moderation teams. these teams get populated by a bunch of ex-LEO and intelligence folks, because a. it's hard to argue the CIA dude is "promoting Russian propaganda", and b. they have connections on the government side telling them specifically what to censor. social media doesn't face actual regulation, and the government gets to pretend there's no censorship, and what you see on FB is just what the world thinks the idea that regulating different companies is split up by nato/fbi/cia is suspect though. these companies hire a large swath of each, and those people reference think tanks documents and research that fill in whatever gap might exist from not literally having someone who worked for nato on staff. from there, companies like crowdstrike/threatconnect/XSOAR/recorded future will directly connect your content moderation tools to lists of suspect IPs/usernames/emails/etc collated through fairly obscure means. there's not a ton of accountability on what's suspect or if the methodology covers all threat actors similarly, like if Israeli psyops are identified to the same extent Chinese psyops are. also from here there's an ability to restrict or ramp moderation, where those ex-LEO folks become important. you can imagine flows like: Israeli psyops start posting pro-genocide stuff > these psyops are identified, default is to shadowban anyone who shares 3 of these posts > people complain they're shadowbanned for being Nazis > some LEO or thinktank dork reaches out to the content moderation team > the shadowban threshold is bumped to 10 or on the other hand Palestinian psyops start posting anti-genocide stuff > these psyops are identified, default is to shadowban anyone who shares 3 of these posts > people complain that Hamas propaganda is out of control> some LEO or thinktank dork reaches out to the content moderation team > the shadowban threshold is lowered to 1 it's extremely effective at setting censorship goals, and the dumbest people on the planet can still say "iTs NoT dIrEcT cEnSoRsHiP lIkE tHe CcP!" between deep licks of strawberry jam off a window.
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Al-Saqr posted:another merkava down todays total merkava kill count is 6-7 To the thread generally, is there any online resource that's trying to keep track of the overall action and losses in this war? The mainstream media just gives incredibly vague and generic info like: "Tanks in action around Gaza City", "More explosions reported in refugee camp" and on Twitter you get stuff like: "Here's a cool vid of an armoured vehicle getting blown up".
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