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feedmyleg posted:By throwing out the interesting concepts, they're both signaling that they're going to be thoroughly mediocre. The Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian script sounded awful, but at least it sounded inventive. The little we know about the story for the one in production sounds very bland. Gladiator 2 script still holds up. I can't imagine actual movie feeling like anything other than a mediocre Gladiator ripoff since it's so disconnected from the heart of the story of the first. I do wish they could've done the Nick Cave script for sure though. It sounded fun, plus The Proposition whips.
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nonathlon posted:There was a time, not so long ago, when there were a lot of Traviss fans on the Internet, posting "hey Star Wars novels have a low low bar but this one author can really write, I was surprised!" Which leads you to wonder if (a) Traviss was a once promising author who rapidly lost all perspective, (b) those fans were chuds who loved the manly supersoldiers doing manly things or (c) SF fans have such low standards and self awareness, it's easy to rise above the slop. From being around fandom at the time, her first couple SW novels were pretty well-regarded and her stuff dealing with the prequel era/clones continued to be even as people starting picking up on her weird foibles. She then got tapped to write 3 books in a 9 book series that largely consisted of her feuding with another one of the authors and them doing horrible things to each other's pet characters in their own books. The live-action stuff is pretty invested in the idea of the Mandalorians as ultimate badasses but the Clone Wars show is actually quite a lot better about it. There's an episode where they go to the planet Mandalore, which is just a big city full of regular-rear end people and not a bunch of warriors as you might expect. Then there's a big terrorist attack involving a bunch of Boba Fett-looking dudes and the general reaction is "Christ, not these assholes again." They're portrayed more like a Hell's Angels gang than samurai or whatnot.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I can't believe Gladiator 2 and Beetlejuice 2 are both finally happening, neither with their famously previously bandied about scripts as far as I can tell. Genuinely more worried about the latter, I'm not sure I trust Burton in 2023. Gladiator 2 following the original script would have been great. I don't see the point of making a sequel to gladiator so long after the original unless it goes in absolute crazy direction like the Nick Cave script.
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Chairman Capone posted:I'll add that almost twenty (!) years ago now, Traviss was very active on LiveJournal back when the first Republic Commando book came out, and she had a very different relationship with the fandom than the one that emerged a few years later. I was one of the people who talked with her then, and she was very open about how attractive she found Maori men to be. In general but also specifically Temeura Morrison (of course) but also Lani Tupu (Crais from Farscape). look if wanting to have an orgy with temeura morrison clones is wrong, throw me in jail with traviss because I don't wanna be right (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I'm begging....to keep your gently caress dreams to yourself...
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Gladiator had a ending so final and out there (They literally bring back the Republic completely changing history for Christ sake) that it’s like trying to make a sequel to Inglorious Basterds.
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nonathlon posted:There was a time, not so long ago, when there were a lot of Traviss fans on the Internet, posting "hey Star Wars novels have a low low bar but this one author can really write, I was surprised!" Which leads you to wonder if (a) Traviss was a once promising author who rapidly lost all perspective, (b) those fans were chuds who loved the manly supersoldiers doing manly things or (c) SF fans have such low standards and self awareness, it's easy to rise above the slop. Mix of all three. First one or two of Traviss' books were pretty good, she hadn't really gone off the deep end yet. By her third book she was full on crazy. I remember one of her strongest defenders was a guy who explicitly called himself a Catholic fascist (years before online righties were comfortable being open about being fascist) so that always told me everything I needed to know about her fans. Star Wars has had a few genuinely good authors, though (Matthew Stover the undisputed top tier). galagazombie posted:Gladiator had a ending so final and out there (They literally bring back the Republic completely changing history for Christ sake) that it’s like trying to make a sequel to Inglorious Basterds. I like the idea that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is in the same alternate universe as Inglorious Basterds. I also like that Noah had a nod to Gladiator 2 with Russell Crowe's little vision of the repeating-resurrected soldiers.
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What I think they’ll probably do with Gladiator 2 is decide the Republic was not reinstated, like in real life. Declaring you’re going to do something and actually managing to do it are two very different things.
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galagazombie posted:Gladiator had a ending so final and out there (They literally bring back the Republic completely changing history for Christ sake) that it’s like trying to make a sequel to Inglorious Basterds.
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Gladiator 2 should be a flash forward To American Gladiators. A real commentary on society Rochallor posted:From being around fandom at the time, her first couple SW novels were pretty well-regarded and her stuff dealing with the prequel era/clones continued to be even as people starting picking up on her weird foibles. She then got tapped to write 3 books in a 9 book series that largely consisted of her feuding with another one of the authors and them doing horrible things to each other's pet characters in their own books. That’s what the samurai were 
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nonathlon posted:There was a time, not so long ago, when there were a lot of Traviss fans on the Internet, posting "hey Star Wars novels have a low low bar but this one author can really write, I was surprised!" Which leads you to wonder if (a) Traviss was a once promising author who rapidly lost all perspective, (b) those fans were chuds who loved the manly supersoldiers doing manly things or (c) SF fans have such low standards and self awareness, it's easy to rise above the slop. I have to assume it's c). Timothy Zahn, who writes really fun pulp that I do thoroughly enjoy, is held up as if he's Frank Herbert. Kind of like how Dan Abnett and Aaron Dembski-Bowden are the unapproachable gold standard for warhammer writers because they can actually write dialogue and know what 'themes' are.
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Themes are for Grade 8 book reports 
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I know authors who use themes and they are all cowards
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We will never get the Nick Cave script turned into a movie because Hollywood is, indeed, rife with cowardice.
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well why not posted:Gears can be adapted, the smart way to do it is take the aesthetic and the setting and absolutely discard the plot from the games. That sounds like an excelle- https://gearsofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Birthing_Creche 
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nonathlon posted:There was a time, not so long ago, when there were a lot of Traviss fans on the Internet, posting "hey Star Wars novels have a low low bar but this one author can really write, I was surprised!" Which leads you to wonder if (a) Traviss was a once promising author who rapidly lost all perspective, (b) those fans were chuds who loved the manly supersoldiers doing manly things or (c) SF fans have such low standards and self awareness, it's easy to rise above the slop. I recently went back and read the first Republic Commando novel she wrote (Hard Contact), along with contemporary fan discussion, and it's actually interesting to see how her stuff become so popular in the context of the time. The book came out in 2004, so the Clone Wars multimedia project was in full swing, but Hard Contact was the first piece of media to really dig into a lot of the unspoken implications about the clones. Clones had been featured as individual characters before then, but Hard Contact really focused on the idea that the Clones were children in the bodies of men who had been bred for war, had no real life outside of their missions, and weren't expected to have retirement plans, let alone socialize with people outside of their immediate military group. The Mando worship and Jedi-hating stuff was in there, but it was largely focused on the individual characters. The villain was an honorable Mandalorian who actually lived the culture the clones were only told about, and the main Jedi character was a Padawan who wasn't very good with the Force, and felt like she couldn't measure up to what a Jedi was supposed to be. As she continued to double down on how bad the clones had it, and pointed to her own decision to write the Jedi as being totally cool with the whole thing as proof that they were actually evil psychopaths and the Mandalorians were the only true heroes. Traviss' peculiar relationship with the fans was also starting to emerge during that time as well. Back then, authors would often post on fan forums, and Traviss participated in the discussion about Hard Contact. When someone mentioned that the villain's signature weapon had been stated elsewhere to not have been invented until after Return of the Jedi, she argued with them about it until she actually got Lucasfilm involved, and they had to say "well, since it's in a canonical book now, I suppose the weapon's date of creation is earlier than previously stated", with Traviss then insisting that the retcon meant she was right all along. There's also really poorly-aged bit where one of the Commandos is described killing a Trandoshan mercenary in gleeful detail, and the prose spends the entire passage referring to the Trandoshan as a "Tr*nny".
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Casimir Radon posted:What I think they’ll probably do with Gladiator 2 is decide the Republic was not reinstated, like in real life. Declaring you’re going to do something and actually managing to do it are two very different things. I’m sorry but the music was triumphant and swelling and someone gave a speech. It worked, that’s just how it is I don’t make the rules.
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Robot Style posted:There's also really poorly-aged bit where one of the Commandos is described killing a Trandoshan mercenary in gleeful detail, and the prose spends the entire passage referring to the Trandoshan as a "Tr*nny".
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It's almost like these were bad books for stupid people or children
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Casimir Radon posted:What I think they’ll probably do with Gladiator 2 is decide the Republic was not reinstated, like in real life. Declaring you’re going to do something and actually managing to do it are two very different things. This was after the 5 "good" Emperors + Commodus the Mediocre*. Most likely there would have been a big old Roman Civil war, called the year or the 7 Emperors or something and no doubt, a barbarian invasion, ending with the sack of Rome, and a brand new dynasty of absolute bastards. *being mediocre was probably a relief compared the general standards of Roman Emperors.
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I mean, the reality is that Commodus being assassinated did lead to a brief civil war that ended with an army general seizing power and setting up his own dynasty.
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https://twitter.com/Nintendo/status/1722011980129779795?s=20 https://twitter.com/Nintendo/status/1722011981669130459?s=20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Arad quote:Feature films
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Casimir Radon posted:What I think they’ll probably do with Gladiator 2 is decide the Republic was not reinstated, like in real life. Declaring you’re going to do something and actually managing to do it are two very different things. Finally another big time gap sequel where the survivors of the previous movie end up being grumpy complete failures lol
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Alan Smithee posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Arad To be fair, Avi Arad's produced a ton of comic book movies that vary in quality independent of his involvement. The fact that it's a Sony movie is probably the bigger red flag to me. Wes Ball will probably be fine as director. He's young enough that he's probably a fan of the games, and his experience on stuff like Maze Runner and Planet of the Apes hopefully means he's developed enough of a VFX vocabulary to be able to do a big fantasy adventure movie and communicate what he wants. Robot Style fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Nov 7, 2023 |
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Legend of Zelda is also apparently being written by Derek Connolly—the guy who wrote the Jurassic World trilogy and co-wrote Rise of Skywalker. It’s over.
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I remember reading speculation that Skywalkers would replace the Jedi as a new school of Force users and it reminded me of how the speculation of the Matrix movies was way cooler than what we got.
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Shneak posted:Legend of Zelda is also apparently being written by Derek Connolly—the guy who wrote the Jurassic World trilogy and co-wrote Rise of Skywalker. To be fair, Connolly co-wrote the un produced version of Episode IX which was better than Rise of Skywalker. Also to be fair probably any script would be better than Rise of Skywalker.
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Do you mean extra stupid changes that don’t add anything like constant 80s needle drops and a Tenacious D solo number
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Professor Shark posted:I remember reading speculation that Skywalkers would replace the Jedi as a new school of Force users and it reminded me of how the speculation of the Matrix movies was way cooler than what we got. In fairness, that's the only possible way to interpret the title of the movie. Also, that doesn't happen in the movie. A True Jar Jar Fan posted:No one wrote Rise of Skywalker A fatal draft earlier this morning left one script written.
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Robot Style posted:To be fair, Avi Arad's produced a ton of comic book movies that vary in quality independent of his involvement. The fact that it's a Sony movie is probably the bigger red flag to me. He has so many bad movies under his belt I have to wonder if there's some correlation.... Anyway I don't really care about a Zelda movie. I'd have more interest if it was animated.
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:Everyone wrote Rise of Skywalker
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Ccs posted:Anyway I don't really care about a Zelda movie. I'd have more interest if it was animated. Ralph Bakshi presents,
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