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Shipon posted:ah yes the card so good it had a class-action lawsuit made over it's VRAM being a flat loving lie That was the stigmata of beatification.  Anyway, yeah, like folks said, it's mostly that, for its US$300-330 price point, it just could not be topped until maybe the 1080Ti (another card I think Nvidia regrets making), and after that the crypto insanity happened, and the market was Changed, in ways that feel irreversible. I've got a bit more affection for mine because, even moreso than someone like Cyrano, I've kept mine this whole time; I'm posting on it right now, and it's only in the past year that I've truly felt the crunch. I thought Elden Ring might do me in, but no, at 1080p it still manages at least Good framerates in ER and Armored Core 6. I've never, ever had a video card last this long and still get such good performance, so it colors my perceptions. Shine on, you trooper. You got me through some damned spooky times.  mobby_6kl posted:I don't remember how exactly FPS/$ worked out back then but I think the 1080Ti just seemed too expensive at the time to feel like a "value" buy. Seven hundred bucks for a GPU, are you kidding? Lol. Lmao, even.  Enos Cabell posted:I sold my 2500k/970 system to a buddy like 4 years ago, and he's still using it today. He claims it's handling Starfield like a champ! Yeah, that's gotta be for certain definitions of "champ" because trying to actually run Starfield is what convinced me to get a m.2 SSD for my current PC, and that my current PC's overall time had come.  The kind of wonky VRAM implementation, as well as just being 3.5+.5GB, really tells there. Even at 1080p, Starfield wants a lot more VRAM than that (as well as a lot of RAM room to breathe in general). It's the combo of Starfield, BG3 and Phantom Liberty (along with upcoming FF14 upgrades and the call of maxing out everything and potential raytracing in Elden Ring) that's finally got me on the upgrade train after eight years and weathering the crypto bubble.Of course, with Starfield specifically it's so hard to tell if the VRAM troubles are what causes some of the instability, or just innate Bethesda-ness. On the subject of upgrades, though: Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:https://twitter.com/Zed__Wang/status/1721740139515510787 See, this would tempt me to try and hold out for a few more months, if it wasn't for the fact that at this point I have absolutely no faith that these will be priced in a way accessible to most folks or will do anything to drive standard Lovelace prices down much further, if at all. The 4070 Super screams "$700 card" to me, priced right between the 4070 and Ti, and the xX~*TI SUPER*~Xx is an $850-900 offering meant to look more "reasonable" compared to the $1100+ 4080 and a "much better investment" than the technically-old-and-busted $800 4070Ti. At most we might see the 4070 Standard get a mild further price cut to $500, and maybe a little downward momentum on the 4070Ti, and even then I'm skeptical. NVidia has raytracing and high performance largely sewn up, and there won't be much pressure on them to lower prices for some time yet, especially with AMD's higher end prices only being marginally less insane and their raytracing implementations in the gutter until at least the next hardware gen. Those prices are here to stay, and with record profits NVidia has no reason to let up. The one vain hope I have is that we might see some decent discounting this holiday season, with retailers wanting to clear out some of the "old" 4070+ stock to make way for the new offerings, but I still have my doubts. At some point the retailers need to make some kind of margin on these products, so there's a floor to the kind of sales they can offer. There might also be pressure on AMD to offer up some deals (like this RIDICULOUS AND VERY SUSPICIOUS DISCOUNT ON AMAZON THAT JUST APPEARED, WHAT THE gently caress IS THIS?) but we'll have to see how they (actually, non-suspiciously) shake out. I still think BFriday-CMonday, and possibly soon after over the holiday, is going to be the time to go computer shopping. The NVidia refresh will mostly just bloat out what now passes for "high-midline" offerings to those people desperate for more polygons.
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mobby_6kl posted:I don't remember how exactly FPS/$ worked out back then but I think the 1080Ti just seemed too expensive at the time to feel like a "value" buy. Seven hundred bucks for a GPU, are you kidding? iirc the important thing was that one of the bitcoin crashes happened during 1080ti's time so you could get it for half that same reason why a ton of people got R290s for under 200 a couple years earlier lol
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SpaceDrake posted:AMD to offer up some deals (like this RIDICULOUS AND VERY SUSPICIOUS DISCOUNT ON AMAZON THAT JUST APPEARED, WHAT THE gently caress IS THIS?) but we'll have to see how they (actually, non-suspiciously) shake out. If this doesn't turn into a cancellation I'm taking it as a sign that now is the time to build a whole new PC. I gotta buy a big-rear end PSU too, but I'm not doing it until it arrives and I confirm it's not a bag of sand that says "puto".
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Twerk from Home posted:If this doesn't turn into a cancellation I'm taking it as a sign that now is the time to build a whole new PC. I gotta buy a big-rear end PSU too, but I'm not doing it until it arrives and I confirm it's not a bag of sand that says "puto". Are you doubting the validity of seller caoxianhengxiubaihuofuzhuangdian?
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change my name posted:Are you doubting the validity of seller caoxianhengxiubaihuofuzhuangdian? quote:caoxianhengxiubaihuofuzhuangdian is committed to providing each customer with the highest standard of customer service. You can't just lie on the internet. Pretty sure this will be cancelled or I'll need to put in a refund, but the trials of the free 4080 described above has invigorated me to try. This probably results in some brave Chinese guy getting $400 from Amazon, which is also cool.
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Lockback posted:You can't just lie on the internet. I mean, I wouldn't actually recommend it personally (even before overposting, I suspected it might be some kind of scam), but rolling the dice is up to you.
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Lockback posted:You can't just lie on the internet. If you get anything at all, which is doubtful, it's going to be some Wish.com-rear end counterfeit RX 470 with a hosed up and hacked BIOS.
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Do not buy the scam GPUs. you will receive nothing and will waste a lot of time trying to get your money back.change my name posted:So like... a 5-10% performance gain? There is really not much headroom for the 4070 to hit without edging into the 4070 ti's territory. I'd love a 4070 ti with more VRAM though The 4070 Super has 21.7% more CUDA cores. The power limit is only 10% higher (though that can be trivially tweaked), and it won't be receiving much of a boost to memory bandwidth most likely. Overall I'd expect more like a 15% boost to performance. If it's the same price, that's okay-ish, and I think we're assuming that these are going to have largely the same MSRP as the cards they're replacing. The 4070 Ti Super will have 10% more CUDA cores, but with the boost to memory bandwidth from the wider bus, we could see that shake out as an actual 10% performance improvement, or maybe slightly more in bandwidth-limited scenarios. And having 16GB of VRAM is nice too. It should make the 4070 Ti a halfway decent high-end buy at $799 now, though that's still a bit expensive for something that will probably be just 35% faster on average at 1440p than the $699 3080, 3 years later. (judging by TechPowerUp's review data and assuming a 10% boost over the 4070 Ti) The 4080 Super is the lamest duck of the bunch. You'll probably just see a small sub-10% improvement with no boost to memory speed or capacity. This would be their opportunity to adjust the price to something more sensible, though I doubt they will. edit: For ease of comparison, here's the latest chart from Videocardz: 
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SpaceDrake posted:I mean, I wouldn't actually recommend it personally (even before overposting, I suspected it might be some kind of scam), but rolling the dice is up to you. https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/175jyf8/since_everyone_cant_stop_posting_itthere_is_no/  They speculate that it's all a scam to get people's mailing addresses in the US.
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Why would they need to do an Amazon scam to get mailing addresses? It's not that deep. They're running a scam to steal your money.
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The only other thing I can think of is they're stolen goods and the seller is trying to move them quick; but it's almost certainly just a scam to get people's money instead. Edit: so on the page where it says "What's in the box" simply lists "manual." Would be p loving funny if it's just the GPU box with the manual and someone paid $440 for it. Branch Nvidian fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Nov 7, 2023 |
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SpaceDrake posted:"people willing to walk into a store and pony up the down payment on a house for a graphics card". A 4090 isn't even enough for the security deposit for a 2 bedroom apartment in San Diego lmao.
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We've had experiments with those Amazon scam card listings here before,Krailor posted:Well the package arrived and.....it's a box of rocks!
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Why would they need to do an Amazon scam to get mailing addresses? It's not that deep. They're running a scam to steal your money. Amazon's money. Getting a refund is trivial, but they're hoping to clear a few before their account gets frozen.
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caoxianhengxiubaihuofuzhuangdian listings are gone and immediately replaced by LiChaDe-USA with the exact same items.
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....and cancelled. I weep. I really wanted a random box of defunct NFL team paraphernalia.
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Well! You won't see me shopping at the neighborhood caoxianhengxiubaihuofuzhuangdian anymore!
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Truga posted:iirc the important thing was that one of the bitcoin crashes happened during 1080ti's time so you could get it for half that yeah scoring a 1080ti in september 2018 for $500 was one of the all time deals in history. card still runs fine today in a secondary computer too
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Bondematt posted:A 4090 isn't even enough for the security deposit for a 2 bedroom apartment in San Diego lmao. Lol yeah you can buy two 4090s a month for a studio apartment in San Diego at this point
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Shipon posted:yeah scoring a 1080ti in september 2018 for $500 was one of the all time deals in history. card still runs fine today in a secondary computer too Seriously, I got an EVGA 1080 for $430 at the same time and it ruined my value estimation on GPUs forever. $530 4080 when? 
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SpaceDrake posted:"Just one more dig! It has to be just one more dig away!" I would not be surprised if the 4070 drops to $450 on sale after the Super refreshes come out next year, I don’t think $400 (new) is ever going to happen sadly
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:4070 super (assuming it keeps the "old" 4070 price of $600) is very compelling I'm still incredibly skeptical it'll be that price. Sure the OG 4070 has been trending downward (the Zotac Twin Edge is back down to $520, and I have hopes it'll go below $500 during BFriday), but a lot of models are still above $550, and it's clear individual manufacturers and NVidia want the card to be there, especially with it being less than a year old. (Which is a thing I think is easy to forget - only the 4090 and 4080 are a year old. Everything from the 4070 Standard on down is seven months old or younger at retail!) So a 7000 CUDA-core card - 220W or no - being announced as sold for US$600? Not a chance. Not one in the coldest hell. It'll be $700. 650 maybe. There's just no way they're going to cut the legs off the 4070Ti right when it turns one year old (which it'll do right around the time of CES). Everything else is definitely territory, but how anemic the 4080 SUPER! is does make me laugh a bit.
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SpaceDrake posted:I'm still incredibly skeptical it'll be that price. Sure the OG 4070 has been trending downward (the Zotac Twin Edge is back down to $520, and I have hopes it'll go below $500 during BFriday), but a lot of models are still above $550, and it's clear individual manufacturers and NVidia want the card to be there, especially with it being less than a year old. (Which is a thing I think is easy to forget - only the 4090 and 4080 are a year old. Everything from the 4070 Standard on down is seven months old or younger at retail!) So a 7000 CUDA-core card - 220W or no - being announced as sold for US$600? Not a chance. Not one in the coldest hell. It'll be $700. 650 maybe. There's just no way they're going to cut the legs off the 4070Ti right when it turns one year old (which it'll do right around the time of CES). Not that they have to care about the gaming market at this point, but incidentally they're now banned from selling HPC cards to their their biggest customers, so...
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SpaceDrake posted:This is me but ##70 cards. $330 was always robbery for a 970, but where, oh where, is my $400 4070? My 1070 cost $300, now 5-6 years later the equivalent tier card costs double, with only 4GB more VRAM too. Cavauro posted:It seems like we're all wanting a certain card for a certain amount of money around here Good cards that are also affordable. They used to exist!
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They (kind of) still do. You just need to be willing to buy used and not be expecting the latest bleeding edge everything. Right now I'm running a Dell branded 2080 that I got about a year-ish ago for $200. Still perfectly capable at 1440 shooting for 60fps, especially if DLSS is used, and I assume it would be even better as a 1080 card. I know the comparison isn't perfect, but the old napkin math of a card from a previous generation being worth this generation minus tier (so 2080 = 3070) has served me pretty well in setting expectations for what it can do. Does it suck? Yeah. Might you end up with a lemon? Maybe, but I don't think it's quite the roll of the dice that some people do. But as long as I can get a two generations old top of the line card for about two thirds of what the new intro tier costs (so 3080 at 2/3 of hypothetical 5060 prices in a few years) I don't think I"ll ever dip out entirely to consoles.
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Former Human posted:My 1070 cost $300, now 5-6 years later the equivalent tier card costs double, with only 4GB more VRAM too. The 1070 was $400 msrp when it launched in 2016 which is $500 in today's money. The 4070 is $600 but the 7800xt is $500 and that's reasonably in that tier. Unless you're saying you got a good deal on a 1070 in 2018ish, which ok but the 4070 will probably be cheaper 2 years from now too, since it's only about 6 months from release.
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I paid £250 for my 1060 not long after it came out, that felt like a huge amount to pay for a GPU for me at the time.mobby_6kl posted:there are rumors of GTA6 Not rumours anymore, Rockstar have straight up said there's a trailer coming in December.
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Lockback posted:The 1070 was $400 msrp when it launched in 2016 which is $500 in today's money. The 4070 is $600 but the 7800xt is $500 and that's reasonably in that tier. Please make posting inflation adjusted prices without an accompanying real wages graph bannable, tia
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