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I saw that moment more as "oh, my manipulations of your emotions for me really aren't going to get you to go along with me anymore; I'll drop the pretext now." It's tied in to the Shetty scene where Cate admits that she can hear in Shetty's thoughts that Shetty really does love her, and Cate "loves" her back, but that won't stop her from killing Shetty. Cate believes that she does really love Andre, so yes, she is likely hurt that he doesn't trust her in that moment, but she also really was intending on pushing him then "for his own good" just like all of the other times she used his trust/love for her to push or wipe him in the past. Cate's concepts of love, trust, and manipulation in relationships are really, really hosed up.
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Nov 7, 2023 11:00
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Jerusalem posted:To be fair he had just caught and safely landed a helicopter that was hurtling towards the ground at high velocity so he may have been tuckered out! The dossier Ashley had on him even specifically quantified his capabilities as being able to manipulate up to 20 tons. "British accent" was kind of burying the lede.
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Nov 7, 2023 15:19
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agreed that the show kinda sucked in retrospect. it seems they basically threw away every interesting plot point they stumbled upon in favor of the boring rear end the woods plotline which you could guess where it was going from minute 1. like tek knight could have been an interesting villain but he ends up basically just playing out the gag from the comic book. the way they took him down was super lazy as well dude is just loving in full visual view of a million cameras i guess
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Nov 7, 2023 19:43
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Yeah, woods should have been built up all season and only become a main plot point in the last episode.
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Nov 7, 2023 21:36
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Outrail posted:Yeah, woods should have been built up all season and only become a main plot point in the last episode. Nah all of that stuff would have been fine. The problem is they spent 7 episodes kinda unevenly drawing out each character's particular issue, established some relationships well but didn't quite stick why the cast as a whole would be a group, and then reached the final episode and realised they had left it too late to decide where they were going how/how much they were going to wrap up. So the finale is a mess that they try to use cameos to distract from. But the finale being a mess doesn't mean the fundamental plot wasn't sound.
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Nov 7, 2023 21:46
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I'm still wondering why they kept the finale to ~32 minutes when they had so much ground to cover. Is Amazon really holding back the budget on one of their tentpole IPs?
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Nov 7, 2023 22:40
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At the end of the finale when Marie woke up, Andre said something like "anyone but you would have been toast from that blast", I don't remember Marie being any more resilient than Andre, Jordan, or Sam. Was he just saying that or what? It felt super out of place when Jordan especially is the "can tank anything" member of the crew.
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Nov 7, 2023 23:13
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pik_d posted:At the end of the finale when Marie woke up, Andre said something like "anyone but you would have been toast from that blast", I don't remember Marie being any more resilient than Andre, Jordan, or Sam. Was he just saying that or what? It felt super out of place when Jordan especially is the "can tank anything" member of the crew. I'm assuming homelander blasted a hole right through her and she blood-powered herself back together. I'm also assuming the VFX budget ran out at that exact point
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Nov 7, 2023 23:35
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I'm assuming homelander blasted a hole right through her and she blood-powered herself back together. That first interpretation feels pretty badass so I'll go with that too. The budget one makes sense too though.
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Nov 8, 2023 00:12
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Marie later died of a series of massive strokes following the importation of dirt, sticks, grass and bone fragments into her bloodstream.
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Nov 8, 2023 00:41
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The more I think about Cate's power the less I understand it, like why did seemingly only one person at Vought care about her powers? You'd think they would have her locked up and be using her to mind control all of congress etc, her power seemed to have no time limit so she basically is the key to ruling the entire world.
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Nov 8, 2023 01:29
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'Make the judge rule that disclaimer is worthless' E: If I had Cate's power I'd use it to convince everyone thought I could give people a three hour orgasm and cocaine high on demand. Instant access to Republican parties to start mindfucking half the political process into sleeper cells. After that my optionally gay and compulsory socialist distopia pretty much writes itself. Outrail fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Nov 8, 2023 |
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Nov 8, 2023 01:35
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socialsecurity posted:The more I think about Cate's power the less I understand it, like why did seemingly only one person at Vought care about her powers? You'd think they would have her locked up and be using her to mind control all of congress etc, her power seemed to have no time limit so she basically is the key to ruling the entire world. I thought that was the point of whatsername giving her the pills and only using cate to make people forget things. Limit her so she can downplay the utility such a power could bring while keeping cate in pocket for her own goals.
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Nov 8, 2023 01:38
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Out of touch Vought executives should watch Jessica Jones.
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Nov 8, 2023 01:42
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socialsecurity posted:The more I think about Cate's power the less I understand it, like why did seemingly only one person at Vought care about her powers? You'd think they would have her locked up and be using her to mind control all of congress etc, her power seemed to have no time limit so she basically is the key to ruling the entire world. Same reason that they didn't use Mesmer to his full potential: Vought is terminally stupid with their supes.
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Nov 8, 2023 01:43
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It's the most believable part of the entire franchise.
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Nov 8, 2023 04:19
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'Anyone but you would have been toast' is a bit of doublespeak - Homelander obviously intended to fake their deaths for *season 2 reasons* and so his blast was calibrated to do that.
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Nov 8, 2023 08:42
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Same reason that they didn't use Mesmer to his full potential: Vought is terminally stupid with their supes.  They had a shapeshifter on the payroll, and all they used him for was to gently caress and then blackmail a senator and then gently caress Homelander.
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Nov 8, 2023 13:31
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Vought liked to go on about the supes being "product" and Stan Edgar certainly loved to poo poo on them for being useless for anything beyond being glorified circus clowns. I suppose sometime in the past 70 years, someone in the US government took a Vought CEO aside and gently threatened them with extreme consequences if supes ever became effective in any way.
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Nov 8, 2023 14:23
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Supes main purpose is making Vought loads of money, and they’re doing ok with that
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Nov 8, 2023 15:29
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I'm assuming homelander blasted a hole right through her and she blood-powered herself back together. The show is bankrolled by Amazon, which is basically a huge mountain of cash.
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Nov 8, 2023 19:11
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Vought liked to go on about the supes being "product" and Stan Edgar certainly loved to poo poo on them for being useless for anything beyond being glorified circus clowns. I feel like the Boys made a potential mistake sidelining Stan this early....I say potentially because if they make it a purposeful plan from his end then that squares that circle. Half the fun if the Boys (well most of it for me) was seeing superherorics get squashed under the insistent control of capitalist monsters.
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Nov 8, 2023 19:18
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Shageletic posted:I feel like the Boys made a potential mistake sidelining Stan this early....I say potentially because if they make it a purposeful plan from his end then that squares that circle. Half the fun if the Boys (well most of it for me) was seeing superherorics get squashed under the insistent control of capitalist monsters. I agree. It's weird too because he's such a great actor.
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Nov 8, 2023 19:23
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Gynovore posted:The show is bankrolled by Amazon, which is basically a huge mountain of cash.
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Nov 8, 2023 19:25
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Shageletic posted:I feel like the Boys made a potential mistake sidelining Stan this early....I say potentially because if they make it a purposeful plan from his end then that squares that circle. Half the fun if the Boys (well most of it for me) was seeing superherorics get squashed under the insistent control of capitalist monsters. I feel like they have to have him come back and do something or else his writing out was absolute dogshit. He's portrayed as being one step ahead the entire time and having balls of steel, they did the "you're just bad product" scene quite well (the comic is mostly crap imo but there were some decent kernels of scenes/ideas on occasion, that was one of them) and then his protege turns on him and he basically just goes "oh OK then" and does the Seinfeld "I'm out" meme? I'm for subverting expectations but still, that'd seem quite bad.
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Nov 8, 2023 19:28
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Maybe he was ready to get out of the biz and just gave up
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Nov 8, 2023 21:07
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DTurtle posted:Just because Amazon has infinite cash does not mean that the shows on Amazon have infinite cash. To the contrary, with small exceptions (Rings of Power), Amazon seems to have been relatively conservative with regards to show budgets. The Citadel also had an absurd budget. They reportedly spent about $300 million on producing that boring rear end show. That said, I finally finished Gen V last night. I have to be honest, I was really enjoying the show through six episodes. It was set in a familiar world if you actually watch The Boys, but didn't seem to require any prior knowledge of events to keep up. It was doing its own thing, and I really liked that. But then episodes 7 and 8 absolutely required that you at least Google some characters and old plots real quick, and the show lost that independence it had from its forebear. It quickly went from "Gen V season 1," to "The Boys season 3.5," and I didn't care for that at all. Although I did mostly enjoy the new characters. I still can't decide if Sam's turn at the very end was rushed or not. On the one hand, he should be a raging inferno of hatred toward normal humans, but at the same time they spent so much time establishing that he actually had feelings of right vs wrong. It felt unearned that one brief in-universe MAGA meetup and Cate removing his empathy turned him into superpowered Anton Chigurh (No Country For Old Men). I loved Emma, but was disappointed at how her story was sort of spun off into just her being the Jiminy Cricket to Sam's Pinocchio. Regardless, I'll be watching The Boys season 4 with bells on, but I wished Gen V had continued on its own momentum instead of developing into an appetizer for the other show. I was also interested in my wife's engagement with this one. She won't watch The Boys because "everyone is too whiney." But she recognized most of the cast from Netflix's Sabrina being in this show, gave it a shot and really liked it. However, the instant it started tying in closer and closer to The Boys in ep7, she started to lose interest, and once Homelander descended, she was done and told me to feel free to keep watching without her.
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Nov 9, 2023 20:55
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Shageletic posted:I feel like the Boys made a potential mistake sidelining Stan this early....I say potentially because if they make it a purposeful plan from his end then that squares that circle. Half the fun if the Boys (well most of it for me) was seeing superherorics get squashed under the insistent control of capitalist monsters. This seems like such an obvious mistake that until proven otherwise I've been assuming that it was a set up for him resurfacing later to assert control and dominance.
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Nov 9, 2023 21:22
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Doronin posted:The Citadel also had an absurd budget. They reportedly spent about $300 million on producing that boring rear end show. quote:That said, I finally finished Gen V last night. I have to be honest, I was really enjoying the show through six episodes. It was set in a familiar world if you actually watch The Boys, but didn't seem to require any prior knowledge of events to keep up. It was doing its own thing, and I really liked that. But then episodes 7 and 8 absolutely required that you at least Google some characters and old plots real quick, and the show lost that independence it had from its forebear. It quickly went from "Gen V season 1," to "The Boys season 3.5," and I didn't care for that at all. Felt similar to GoT season 8. Characters had to act a certain way, so they acted that way. Completely ignoring that they had somewhat extensive characterization that should have meant they wouldn’t act that way.
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Nov 9, 2023 21:28
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I think people didn't like Citadel because it seems like less of a 'what if' and more of a 'what half of the country are trying to do' and that's a little too real. E: no episode today this sucks how am I supposed to go to sleep without any dick trauma. Outrail fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Nov 10, 2023 |
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Nov 9, 2023 21:34
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PostNouveau posted:Pointless Butcher cameo that probably won't amount to anything on the main show. The X-Ray for that scene says "Oi oi, what does this mean for The Boys Season 4?". I don't think they're going to hang a lampshade on it like that and then ignore it.
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Nov 11, 2023 11:25
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the more they try to tie gen v into the boys the worse off both shows will be
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Nov 11, 2023 17:26
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I think it would’ve been a better show if they didn’t have the woods and they focused on the rankings. Make analogies to college sports, have Sam be a fugitive from red river or something if he has to be there.
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Nov 11, 2023 23:09
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Jedit posted:The X-Ray for that scene says "Oi oi, what does this mean for The Boys Season 4?". I don't think they're going to hang a lampshade on it like that and then ignore it. That's if the X-Ray info is written by someone who has any creative control over the show.
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Nov 11, 2023 23:11
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DTurtle posted:Felt similar to GoT season 8. At least in this show, they can justify it if characters teleport hundreds of miles in a day.
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Nov 12, 2023 00:29
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They actually elaborated on it in interviews. https://deadline.com/2023/11/gen-v-season-finale-interviews-1235591400/ quote:DEADLINE: You end the season with a virus that kills supes in the hands of some pretty ambitious people and double Boys appearances, as Homelander and Butcher are both on campus, so to speak, in their own way. So, what’s the plan?
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Nov 12, 2023 00:44
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Golden Bee posted:I think it would’ve been a better show if they didn’t have the words and they focused on the rankings. Make analogies to college sports, have Sam be a fugitive from red river or something if he has to be there. 100% this. They blew their load too quickly with the Woods.
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Nov 13, 2023 11:42
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The Woods had very Heroes season 2 'The Company' vibes, in that it's an ironclad institution that existed for a substantial time without challenge but for plot reasons is quickly undermined and overcome due to resource constraints and deep-rooted incompetence of the kind that should have precluded them achieving success in the first place.
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Nov 14, 2023 23:34
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Rewatching the main show after Gen V, it's funny and very on brand how after how much concern there is about being in the crimefighting or performing arts schools, by season 3 Vought is pretty much exclusively looking for recruits from the performing side for the Seven.
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Habibi posted:The Woods had very Heroes season 2 'The Company' vibes, in that it's an ironclad institution that existed for a substantial time without challenge but for plot reasons is quickly undermined and overcome due to resource constraints and deep-rooted incompetence of the kind that should have precluded them achieving success in the first place. Also, the worst possible place to put your Unit 731 for supes is directly under a school full of them. Maybe a huge forested compound in the middle of nowhere like where they had Homelander's rape baby living.
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