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Did you add in fake grain again?
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Nov 7, 2023 21:07
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I will never not. I have never added grain, and then turned it off and preferred the ungrained image. it's always worse.
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Nov 7, 2023 21:10
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Why don't you just buy a cheap old digicam instead of poorly trying to emulate low-fi looks? Genuine advice, because your editing is almost as bad as your posting.
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Nov 7, 2023 21:16
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Nov 7, 2023 21:34
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appreciate your view on it. idk if I enjoy the darkness of it, it wasn't that dark in real life at least here's where I ended up after some time, taking advice to de-urinate it  Bottom Liner posted:because your editing is almost as bad as your posting 
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Nov 7, 2023 21:52
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Bottom Liner posted:“Without editing… blacks mega raised” it's trying to mimic lovely underexposed film scans
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Nov 7, 2023 21:56
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bellows lugosi posted:it's trying to mimic lovely underexposed film scans spot on when I browse say instagram, I see photos I like. I also see photos I don't. over a long enough time I start to pick up common threads between the ones I like, and if it looks like lovely film scans so be it. I will chase that piss sheen
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Nov 7, 2023 22:29
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You're turning potentially good photos into bad photos. Do less editing.
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Nov 7, 2023 22:33
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this is the photo totally unedited it's taken over her shoulder into the reflection of a window next to a huge fuckin brick wall with heaps of gross green behind us. it's overexposed and I struggled with focusing. but despite all of those things I really like the photo, as does she. I am sure I suppose someone might prefer this with less editing, and since it's got tons of colour cast already, and I am sure others would go quite differently trying to fix it.
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Nov 7, 2023 22:50
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echinopsis posted:this is the photo totally unedited right click, delete would be my path to fixing it Eh, I couldn't resist piling on, but in all seriousness I don't hate it. I do appreciate that you've developed your own style and are trying to do something different than your average portrait photo. I think you still have a lot of work to do, but you are pursuing art rather than simply doing commerce. I would be curious to see some of the photos you like that you have been using as inspiration blue squares fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Nov 7, 2023 |
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Nov 7, 2023 23:05
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echinopsis posted:spot on just shoot lovely film, problem solved, chase the vibes to the source
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blue squares posted:Eh, I couldn't resist piling on, but in all seriousness I don't hate it. I do appreciate that you've developed your own style and are trying to do something different than your average portrait photo. I think you still have a lot of work to do, but you are pursuing art rather than simply doing commerce. this is actually where i disagree - i think the general criticisms of his editing style aren't really relevant - but it's not pursuing art, it's using photography as a tool to participate in some broader cultural ~ vibes ~ or whatever. the kids doing this kind of stuff don't give a poo poo about photography as art, it's entirely separate, it's photography as a personality, becoming known as someone with taste, who knows cool people and does cool things. it's fine to do, i have no real gripe with it, but it's a totally antithetical to what i want out of photography as an artist and a viewer
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Nov 7, 2023 23:24
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and that's a totally personal thing to me which is why i can't really bring myself to hate the pictures or edits that much
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bellows lugosi posted:it's photography as a personality, becoming known as someone with taste, who knows cool people and does cool things. you're spot on echinopsis posted:
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bellows lugosi posted:this is actually where i disagree - i think the general criticisms of his editing style aren't really relevant - but it's not pursuing art, it's using photography as a tool to participate in some broader cultural ~ vibes ~ or whatever. the kids doing this kind of stuff don't give a poo poo about photography as art, it's entirely separate, it's photography as a personality, becoming known as someone with taste, who knows cool people and does cool things. it's fine to do, i have no real gripe with it, but it's a totally antithetical to what i want out of photography as an artist and a viewer interesting thoughts. don’t think I really disagree tbh, and you put into words things I never really considered. but you largely nailed it, good work lol I have a lot of fun organising a shoot, working out outfits and the theme. I have a lot of fun on the shoots themselves, meeting new people, and then that precious momentary validation when the model says they like the photos lol blue squares posted:I don't hate it. thank you 😁
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Bottom Liner posted:you're spot on  e: but also lol if you can’t tell that’s hyperbole
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echinopsis posted:
It's impossible to tell when you're shitposting and when you're doing it earnestly. That's on you. Plenty of people have engaged with you seriously (myself included) and we're met with the same energy as when you claim to be joking.
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Bottom Liner posted:It's impossible to tell when you're shitposting and when you're doing it earnestly. That's on you. Plenty of people have engaged with you seriously (myself included) and we're met with the same energy as when you claim to be joking. It's a defense mechanism
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Bottom Liner posted:It's impossible to tell when you're shitposting and when you're doing it earnestly. That's on you. Plenty of people have engaged with you seriously (myself included) and we're met with the same energy as when you claim to be joking. I don’t necessarily subscribe to the notion that a post has to be earnest or shitposts. can’t it waver in and out? can’t they be both? Megabound posted:It's a defense mechanism I am particularly fragile and do require fuckin national guard level defence mechanisms
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Nov 8, 2023 00:39
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lotta people in this thread on the money today
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echinopsis posted:
So why do you insist on subjecting yourself to this?
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blue squares posted:... Having seen his inspiration, I would argue very much against this - he is not doing anything really different. He says it himself, and can be seen, that he tries to copy his inspirations. We've all seen this style of editing/photo, it's very much a 2010s 500px style. It's been overdone and is not in vogue. bobmarleysghost fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Nov 8, 2023 |
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It's fine that he does it, he likes it so who cares. But it cannot be passed off as art, imo, it has stock footage energy. I personally dont get any inkling of anything interesting in the photos, it's just photos of a pretty woman. He has the technical ability to operate a camera, and he has the potential to break through, I'm curious if it'll happen. bobmarleysghost fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Nov 8, 2023 |
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All right I was trying to be nice. I felt bad that everyone was making GBS threads on them and that I had joined in
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blue squares posted:So why do you insist on subjecting yourself to this? for a moment I liked my photo and forgot that peeps around here don’t care for my “style” but I still pick up tips. people give criticism that I can work with, even if it stings a bit lol plus also hopeful for that odd occasion someone says something positive lol bobmarleysghost posted:He has the technical ability to operate a camera, and he has the potential to break through, I'm curious if it'll happen. who even know what breaking through would mean or look like
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echinopsis posted:
I'd start with dropping your current inspirations. Use them as a jumping point to something better. You've outgrown them. Look for inspo at good fashion photographers. That would elevate your portraits. https://instagram.com/snyder.erica https://instagram.com/mollymatalon https://instagram.com/neilkrug https://instagram.com/mark_peckmezian https://instagram.com/danielpshea etc
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good advice. that neil krug is pretty interesting e: but let’s see. I like the stuff I do for a reason, not just because I don’t know anything else. I’ve liked photography in a similar vein to what I try to do for like three decades. echinopsis fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Nov 8, 2023 |
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bobmarleysghost posted:It's fine that he does it, he likes it so who cares. Why? It has intent, he is putting in effort to convey a feeling through them. Not liking his style isn't enough to just classify it as "not art".
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Yea you're right, it's not my place to dismiss it as not art. I called it not art because it has strong stock image energy, and I don't consider stock images art. But if he says what he does is art, then it is.
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echinopsis posted:
Fair enough, keep doing you.
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Echi, your photos are good and your artistic style is your artistic style. It's what makes you unique. Chase that. Don't ever stop trying to find that style that you're looking for. Step in the mud and get dirty until you figure out what it is you're after. That's how we grow. I'm fairly sure there's not a right answer to photography, but if there is, it isn't in trying to get approval from those who would consistently tell you you're not good. Elevate above that.
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bobmarleysghost posted:Fair enough, keep doing you. I do appreciate the advice tho, wider inspiration is always a good thing, I am not rigid in what I want to do, and as much as I do like largely the kind of stuff I have always liked, I am always looking to grow and change, I certainly don’t want to just do the same thing forever. earlier this year I took a photo which I thought was “peak me”, as in it nailed the aesthetic I was going for, and it was a bit of a downer in a way because I thought, where do I go from here? I didn’t want to just do more of the same. since then I’ve taking some photos that proved to me I haven’t hit the end of the road, but regardless, wider inspiration and a more open mind is the path forward. bobmarleysghost posted:
funnily enough idk if I’ve ever thought what I do is art. it doesn’t feel like it at least, although wouldn’t know what it should feel like lol. maybe it’s just a self esteem thing https://instagram.com/rodtronics that’s my insta for 3d computer graphics (off topic of this thread of course), and again, even though there is artistry there, I’ve never felt like it was art. maybe a couple pieces, maybe a couple of photos could be considered. but it’s always just felt like me doing something for fun and seeing what’ll come out the other end. if intent is a deciding factor then certainly some pieces might be, as in there was a clear vision from the outset, and then other times it’s just about having fun making something. idk lol I am sure the philosophy of what is and isn’t art is a simple topic just something I haven’t looked into yet
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Viginti Septem posted:Echi, your photos are good and your artistic style is your artistic style. It's what makes you unique. Chase that. Don't ever stop trying to find that style that you're looking for. Step in the mud and get dirty until you figure out what it is you're after. That's how we grow. appreciate this post my friend I do still think there is value in learning what others think, but you’re right, the goal isn’t trying to get approval from others, I don’t think I’ll ever get that in this thread lol (and should learn my lesson), but otoh, it’s the only place I post that actually offers feedback, so .. idk .. maybe I just need to approach it differently here. I’ve come with photos I was happy with and then got ripped to shreds a bit, maybe I need more of an attitude of, I like this but what could I do better next time. but once again appreciate your post
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why the gently caress is the criticism in this thread so loving aggro? people talking about what art is or not wtf.
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Slotducks posted:why the gently caress is the criticism in this thread so loving aggro? people talking about what art is or not wtf. Probably because the response to legit helpful criticism is so flippant and bratty. It invites more harsh words.
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Bottom Liner posted:Probably because the response to legit helpful criticism is so flippant and bratty. It invites more harsh words. maybe you need an avatar that looks less like a bratty child
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Bottom Liner posted:Probably because the response to legit helpful criticism is so flippant and bratty. It invites more harsh words. I dunno, I've been watching/reading this thread for a while - the feedback feels much different than in other threads. Way more declarative and way more pointed and harsh. The feedback you personally gave me in the concert thread was positive, constructive, and extremely helpful; the other posters in here are harsher and bleak. No wonder echinopsis doesn't like contrast.
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echinopsis posted:maybe you need an avatar that looks less like a bratty child You can spend the money to own me just as hard as the last goon did Slotducks posted:I dunno, I've been watching/reading this thread for a while - the feedback feels much different than in other threads. Way more declarative and way more pointed and harsh. I think that’s just the culture of Dorkroom “main” threads. I’ve been on both sides of it, where I posted badly over edited photos and got ripped for it and defensive, but in the end they were mostly right and it helped me be better. Anyone expecting SA to be universally chill and friendly is probably in the wrong place, but that’s also kinda the charm of it. Concert thread is good and chill though, and I’m glad for it. Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Nov 8, 2023 |
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I have no choice but to get this thread back on track. Behold!
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