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inchworm
Jun 23, 2023
are there any cool sites or other ways to get sheet music, or midis, for more obscure music? im looking for a specific song (Afterglow by Small Faces) and not having any luck whatsoever, ive found one or two midis of different songs they've done and a bit more sheet music but that's it. im okay with running on my assumption that it's a crap shoot whether someone put in the work for them/uploaded them/etc, figured id ask anyways just in case

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Jazz Marimba
Jan 4, 2012

inchworm posted:

are there any cool sites or other ways to get sheet music, or midis, for more obscure music? im looking for a specific song (Afterglow by Small Faces) and not having any luck whatsoever, ive found one or two midis of different songs they've done and a bit more sheet music but that's it. im okay with running on my assumption that it's a crap shoot whether someone put in the work for them/uploaded them/etc, figured id ask anyways just in case

not sheet music, but there’s chord sheets on several sites (ultimate guitar, e-chords, etc), and a guitar lesson on youtube. if you want a fully notated transcription of any/all the instruments you’ll have to hire someone to transcribe it

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

there are also a number of patreons dedicated to transcriptions with discords and such. it's hard to pass around sheet music in the open without getting a copyright strike.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Do the Arturia servers go down often, and how long do they go down for, and are they down now?

Just got a MIDI key board and went all the way through the software downloads and install and activation and was looking pretty good and now it's telling me I can't sign in to the software because it "can't connect to the Arturia servers", goddamn it.

e - please help before I start defenestrating things

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Sep 16, 2023

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



im trying to learn reading music on bass and find the practice programs in the book im using arent helpful because by the 2nd or 3rd time I run through the exercise I just play the pattern by ear.

Is there an app or website that will just throw randomly generated notes at me to play to practice to?

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Kvlt! posted:

im trying to learn reading music on bass and find the practice programs in the book im using arent helpful because by the 2nd or 3rd time I run through the exercise I just play the pattern by ear.

Is there an app or website that will just throw randomly generated notes at me to play to practice to?

Real Book / Standards Real Book (in C) + Metronome

NC Wyeth Death Cult
Dec 30, 2005

He lost his life in Chadds Ford, he was dancing with a train.

Kvlt! posted:

im trying to learn reading music on bass and find the practice programs in the book im using arent helpful because by the 2nd or 3rd time I run through the exercise I just play the pattern by ear.

Is there an app or website that will just throw randomly generated notes at me to play to practice to?

Look up double bass etude books on IMSLP. They are usually progressive so you can sit down and work through them until you hit a wall. They aren't in the pocket type practice (which isn't to say you can't swing it) but they usually aren't repetitive, are two-to-three pages and a lot of times you can find the piano accompaniment on YouTube to play along with.

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

I need something with four footswitches I can stomp on, that will each play one chord. Does anything like that exist currently, or am I going to have to build it?

Thirteen Orphans
Dec 2, 2012

I am a writer, a doctor, a nuclear physicist and a theoretical philosopher. But above all, I am a man, a hopelessly inquisitive man, just like you.
Years and years ago I taught myself to play the baritone ukulele. I didn't play for awhile and picked it back up. I remember all the chord shapes for my songs but not the chord names. Is there a website where i can toggle the strings on a fret board and it tell me the chord I'm playing? It could even be a guitar since it's a baritone.

Fierce Brosnan
Feb 16, 2010

I have seen into the future
Everyone is slightly older

Thirteen Orphans posted:

Is there a website where i can toggle the strings on a fret board and it tell me the chord I'm playing? It could even be a guitar since it's a baritone.

I like Oolimo for guitar

Thirteen Orphans
Dec 2, 2012

I am a writer, a doctor, a nuclear physicist and a theoretical philosopher. But above all, I am a man, a hopelessly inquisitive man, just like you.

Fierce Brosnan posted:

I like Oolimo for guitar

This is perfect! Thanks!

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

If you're into theory, it's also fun to figure out the chords by looking at the notes. Like, there's a G, two Es and a C here, that makes it a bass player dependant a7 C major

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Can someone explain to me why we need E Dorian in a world where D Major exists? Really, modes just generally, why?

Otis Reddit
Nov 14, 2006
a lot of old jazzers agree with you fwiw

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

As a bass player, it's so I know which note to play while the guitarist wanks.

Also you can write chord progressions that include the actual root. I think that's the main actual reason for modes. Or to play wanks over a clearly E based chord progression with a C#

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

Xiahou Dun posted:

Can someone explain to me why we need E Dorian in a world where D Major exists? Really, modes just generally, why?

Modes are a way of talking about music theory. There are other ways: sounds like you like those better.

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Nov 2, 2005

cruft posted:

Modes are a way of talking about music theory. There are other ways: sounds like you like those better.

:hmmyes:

also Scales and Key Signatures aren't exactly the same thing

why do we need D Mixolydian when E minor exists?
why do we need G Locrian when A-flat major exists?
etc

it's about what you want to emphasize: tonic vs intervalic relationships, harmony vs melody, etc.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Okay. Let me rephrase.

What the gently caress does that mean?

I am trying to learn and all you’ve done is make me feel stupid.

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

Xiahou Dun posted:

Okay. Let me rephrase.

What the gently caress does that mean?

I am trying to learn and all you’ve done is make me feel stupid.

You didn't sound like you wanted to learn, you sounded like you had an ax to grind with modes.

It's the difference between saying "play a G major scale with a flat 7th" and saying "play a C major scale but start on G". In the first case, you might expect the bass player was going to anchor on G. In the second case, maybe the bass player would anchor on C.

But if all you're doing is writing a MIDI file to play quarter notes at velocity 127 with no other instrumentation, then it's the exact same thing.\

It's just a way of thinking about the scale in the context of the music you're trying to make.

JesustheDarkLord
May 22, 2006

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It's basically the "main" note that melodic phrases resolve to and often start with.

If the song is structured I-IV-V those would be different in d mixolydian, e minor, and G major. You would use the same set of notes for melodies (and to construct the chords).

D G A

Em Bm C

G D Em


I might have miscounted something there but I think it's right. If you played the same basic melody over each one of these, it would have a different feel because of the interval between the bass note of the chord and the note you play.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



cruft posted:

You didn't sound like you wanted to learn, you sounded like you had an ax to grind with modes.


Hoss, I don't know what modes are. And I have enough problems trying to learn without needing to pass your loving cool kids club test.

loving rear end in a top hat.


JesustheDarkLord posted:

It's basically the "main" note that melodic phrases resolve to and often start with.

If the song is structured I-IV-V those would be different in d mixolydian, e minor, and G major. You would use the same set of notes for melodies (and to construct the chords).

D G A

Em Bm C

G D Em


I might have miscounted something there but I think it's right. If you played the same basic melody over each one of these, it would have a different feel because of the interval between the bass note of the chord and the note you play.

I think that makes some amount of sense after reading it a couple of times. E mixolydian (as an example because that's the tune I'm working on) is still E for the purposes of what chords to play, but it's played with the notes of the D scale? What about the G#/Ab in the E chord, isn't that going to sound bad?

JesustheDarkLord
May 22, 2006

#VolsDeep
Lipstick Apathy
I think E mixolydian is played with the A major scale. You actually use the chords made by the A major scale, as well.

I = A Maj

ii = B min

iii = C# min

IV = D Maj

V = E Maj

VI = F# Min

vii° = G# dim

But if you want it to be E Mixolydian, you shift/rotate/modulate it to

I = E Maj

ii = F# Min

iii = G# dim

IV = A Maj

v = B min

vi = C# min

VII = D Maj

And replace with those chords, then use the notes of the A major scale but start on the E

JesustheDarkLord
May 22, 2006

#VolsDeep
Lipstick Apathy
If you played it in E, it would use the chords of the E major scale instead which are slightly different but I'm phone posting from the shower as I thought of this clarification so you'll have to Google them.

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

Xiahou Dun posted:

loving rear end in a top hat.

You're welcome?

I was trying to provide some simple explanations. I don't understand what made you angry.

e: Reading back, I think when you said "why [do] we need E Dorian when D major exists", it sounded like you did know what modes were, and wanted to understand why we used modes to talk about music. And then when you said "what the gently caress does that mean", it sounded like you wanted to know what the difference was between E Dorian and D major.

I'm sorry my answers made you angry. I was trying to answer the questions I thought you were asking.

cruft fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Nov 8, 2023

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Xiahou Dun posted:

E mixolydian (as an example because that's the tune I'm working on) is still E for the purposes of what chords to play, but it's played with the notes of the D scale? What about the G#/Ab in the E chord, isn't that going to sound bad?

E mixolydian has the same exact notes as an A major, but starting with E instead of A. it's also almost the same as the E major scale, except that the seventh note is flat (a half step down).

I don't think a G#/Ab sounds unpleasant in the context of E, its just the third in the E major scale. and if you play a G#/Ab on top of A, it can sound dissonent, but not necessarily, that depends on the phrasing and overall musical context, it can be used to create a small amount of tension that you can then resolve for example

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

Xiahou Dun posted:

Okay. Let me rephrase.

What the gently caress does that mean?

I am trying to learn and all you’ve done is make me feel stupid.

Hey.

Normally this sort of misunderstanding doesn't eat at me like this, but I don't think I've ever had a post land so wildly wrong with anyone before. And that bothers me. I want to communicate clearly and not make people think I'm trying to be an elitist jerk. And I absolutely don't want to make someone feel stupid for asking an honest question.

I genuinely thought you were saying "I get what modes are, but why do they even exist when you can just talk about major scales". And, yeah, some very smart people talk about music theory that way. There are advantages to speaking about modes in terms of only major and minor scales: terms like "mixolydian" and "phrygian" can be off-putting, whereas "C major scale notes over a G major chord" doesn't take as much music theory lingo. That's what Otis Reddit was referring to in their post about old jazzers. I feel like there are some YouTube music theory educators who do the same thing.

As a matter of fact, I had to look up what Dorian was in order to post my second answer to you. I only have a minor in music theory, but still, that's more formal education than a lot of people playing music, so I feel like it's worth considering using language that's more widely understood.

At the end of the day, it's really only music theory people who care about terminology. Performers (especially improvisational ones) learn how certain modes sound, and work with that feeling. The names of the scales are just a way to talk about it with other musicians, and the names aren't even a universal.

I'm still not entirely sure what it is you want to know, but hopefully between the other posters breaking down what modes are, and this post explaining why some people use that terminology and others don't, you've got your question answered.

But nobody here is trying to make you feel stupid, we want to help. It might take a little back and forth before everyone understands how best to provide that help, but none of this is meant as a personal attack.

cruft fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Nov 8, 2023

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



I’m sorry too. I am a confused baby player who gets frustrated by how all the terminology loops back on itself.

I do fruity trad music and a lot of stuff is in weird modes, and I just barely understand major keys. I literally don’t understand what the point of the terminology is. I’m not a mode truther or something, I believe in them, I just don’t understand and would like to. I’m guessing it’s a weird history thing since a bunch of them are Classical Greek place names.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

i believe the reason they have those names has to do with their use in religious music (they are also called "church modes") that originated in the greek regions in question and became widespread after rome became christian and thus they were incorporated as a foundational element of western music theory, which tends to go back to medieval church music in its origins

these days its just kind of a shorthand really

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

The short and only slightly technically wrong answer is that it feels weird to say you're playing in C major if you never actually play a C.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



what made it click for me is saying for example E Aeloian instead of G major helps you understand its supposed to sound "Aoliean"

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

it's hard to assess someone's background knowledge from just a single question, and being on a dead gay comedy forum makes it easier to read sarcasm into posts where none was intended

imo the best way to get your head around modes is learn them as scales on a piano or instrument of choice, and to hear the differences between modes. I like this video on that end:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4zpRkONtWw

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

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Does anyone use a computer to make synth music? What program(s) do you use?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Pick a random DAW that fits your budget and stuff it with so many free vst's your cpu explodes. That's what most everyone does.

If you want to do modular type stuff, VCV Rack is the way to play. The free version is more than enough synth for any single human.

Bespoke synth is a pretty clever free option. It's kind of a synth and kind of a modular and kind of a daw.

If you want to do tracker style like it's 1990, sunvox is where you look.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
I want to mention about modes that they started making more sense to me when I started playing more piano and helped filled in gaps that I wasn't grasping with guitar.

The main "purpose" of modes for me is to simply know where the tonic, or centre, is. I started noodling about on piano and was working around the core progression of C Major -> G Minor -> F Major -> C Major. In terms of Major or Minor keys it would be either D Minor (Aeolian) or F Major (Ionian) but it doesn't *feel* like either.

That's because the whole thing is clearly revolving around C Major, which makes it C Mixolydian. So I tend to think of modes as "yes, this can be a major or minor key, but what is it actually revolving around and resolving to?"

The quick rule of thumb (and is not a rigorous rule at all) is simply what is your progression starting at? If it all fits in a major or minor key but starts and revolves around a different chord/note in that key then you're probably using a different mode!

Mike Arthur McVein
Feb 15, 2023

SardonicTyrant posted:

Does anyone use a computer to make synth music? What program(s) do you use?

I mostly use hardware now but I have used a bunch of different software in the past. I use Reaper and Audacity for recording/editing sound and Sekaiju for tweaking MIDI files. If I was just getting started then LMMS and some solid free synths (Tyrell N6, Dexed, Vital) and effects (Valhalla Supermassive, Camelcrusher, DualComp etc) are what I would use, knowing what I know now.

JeffLeonard
Apr 18, 2003

TV Violence

SardonicTyrant posted:

Does anyone use a computer to make synth music? What program(s) do you use?

I use all software synths, except for one Korg minilogue.

Ableton is the DAW I use and it includes a lot of synths & patches. My main go-to plug in synth 90% of the time is Omnisphere. I use Massive and a few other Native Instruments devices too.

Omnisphere is expensive, but is absolutely loaded with patches. I've had it for 2-3 years and I'm still finding cool sounds.

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



Mike Arthur McVein posted:

I mostly use hardware now but I have used a bunch of different software in the past. I use Reaper and Audacity for recording/editing sound and Sekaiju for tweaking MIDI files. If I was just getting started then LMMS and some solid free synths (Tyrell N6, Dexed, Vital) and effects (Valhalla Supermassive, Camelcrusher, DualComp etc) are what I would use, knowing what I know now.

Yeah, I'd be just getting started. I just need something to play around with right now.

havelock
Jan 20, 2004

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SardonicTyrant posted:

Does anyone use a computer to make synth music? What program(s) do you use?

Bitwig. If you go for the full version The Grid is a big fancy modular environment plus more.

I believe they have a trial you can get.

I have no experience with any other DAW, but I really like bitwig.

Mike Arthur McVein
Feb 15, 2023

SardonicTyrant posted:

Yeah, I'd be just getting started. I just need something to play around with right now.

Welcome to computer music! If there's a specific style or genre you're interested in, I can maybe make some more specific recommendations, but you can't go wrong with the free setup I described; the instruments and effects I mentioned will cover many bases and what you learn with LMMS will be transferable to many other DAWs if you find another one you like more.

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for fucks sake
Jan 23, 2016

xzzy posted:

If you want to do modular type stuff, VCV Rack is the way to play. The free version is more than enough synth for any single human.

If you're going for modular, I'd suggest trying both VCV Rack and The Grid in Bitwig Studio, as they both use very different metaphors. VCV rack is skeumorphic, aping the form and function of hardware modular synths, where BWS knows it is a piece of software first and foremost.

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