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NPR had a chilling story from the West Bank yesterday: https://www.npr.org/2023/11/08/1211632899/west-bank-olive-harvest TLD Listen version: NPR reporters are taken by a Palestinian man to view his olive grove, which Israeli settlers have apparently seized. IDF soldiers show up, and not only "disappear" the olive grove owner for hours in front of the reporters (who are clearly wearing flak jackets with "PRESS" written on them) but even point guns at them.
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I said come in! posted:Blinken's plan is complete horseshit. So Israel, who created the conditions for all of this in the first place, on purpose, gets all of the power still over Palestinians, and gets to implement a puppet government that will be pro-Israeli and leave the Palestinians likely worst off than they are even now. Israel has committed horrific war crimes, and carried out ruthless genocide against Palestinians for decades, they don't get a say in this, and letting them control Gaza in any capacity is completely unacceptable. If such a plan were to work, Israel cannot be both party to and enforcer of the plan. It didn't work with Oslo and it won't work now, because parties in a negotiation want to get as much as possible out of it, while enforcers need to ensure the parties act fairly. You would need a powerful third party that all sides don't despise. The only country that comes to mind is China but they seem to want to stay well away from the I/P conflict. The US is not trusted by Palestinians due to their long-standing support of Israel. A coalition involving Western and Arab states might be possible but it is unwieldy.
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Nov 9, 2023 17:23
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Tibeerius posted:NPR had a chilling story from the West Bank yesterday: Israel is really gonna have to release the hostages if they actually want peace.
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Nov 9, 2023 17:28
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punishedkissinger posted:Israel is really gonna have to release the hostages if they actually want peace. I think you would need a significant crackdown on the far right in Israel for Israel to want peace.
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WarpedLichen posted:I think you would need a significant crackdown on the far right in Israel for Israel to want peace. Which would be somewhat difficult to do given that they control the country top to bottom and are doing things like arming settler death squads in the West Bank.
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Nov 9, 2023 17:50
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The rate at which Palestinians are fleeing the North (mainly Gaza City) seems to have accelerated in the past few days. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/09/israel-hamas-war-tens-thousands-palestinians-flee-gaza-military-who-disease-risk quote:The Israeli military also said that, for the fifth consecutive day, it had opened an evacuation corridor to allow civilians in northern Gaza to move south. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/08/thousands-flee-gaza-under-watch-israeli-tanks/ quote:Hamas indicated it was opposed to the ongoing evacuation, accusing the UN of colluding with the Israeli military in the “forced displacement” of residents of Gaza.
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Nov 9, 2023 18:16
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Bibi rejected a hostages-for-ceasefire offer, it's extremely clear that Israel wrote those people off as lost the minute they got taken back to Gaza. Who knows how many of them are even still alive after the last month of bombing https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/09/netanyahu-rejected-ceasefire-for-hostages-deal-in-gaza-sources-say quote:Benjamin Netanyahu rejected a deal for a five-day ceasefire with Palestinian militant groups in Gaza in return for the release of some of the hostages held in the territory, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.
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Nov 9, 2023 18:21
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The rate at which Palestinians are fleeing the North (mainly Gaza City) seems to have accelerated in the past few days. The articles you posted makes it extremely clear why the people are fleeing, as well as why Hamas is calling it "forced displacement" and a "humanitarian catastrophe", and they seem quite far off from how you interpreted them: quote:... quote:... Israel certainly seems to be pushing the view that the flow of refugees represents a loss of confidence in Hamas, but the people who are actually evacuating say they're doing it because the Israeli siege and bombardments have literally starved Gaza City of basic daily necessities like food and water. That has nothing to do with "defending Gaza City" or "confidence in Hamas" - the population is literally starving, and it sure as hell ain't Hamas' fault. It's also interesting to see how Hamas' position on the refugee crisis is framed as "Hamas is certainly opposed to this evacuation", when what they actually said was that it was a humanitarian catastrophe. And there's absolutely no question that it is. Starving out and bombing a city with a population of more than half a million in order to drive the population to flee the area as refugees is unquestionably a humanitarian catastrophe. Even calling it an "evacuation" is a biased framing. It's forced displacement at gunpoint!
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Israel is now pretty open about targeting journalists https://twitter.com/gantzbe/status/1722535046400061853
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What the gently caress are journalists supposed to do? That's not what a photoshoot means dickhead
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HonorableTB posted:What the gently caress are journalists supposed to do? That's not what a photoshoot means dickhead they're just retroactively justifying intentionally targeting journalists (and their families). Israel is a far right apartheid state, they will kill whoever they feel like.
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Nov 9, 2023 19:04
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punishedkissinger posted:they're just retroactively justifying intentionally targeting journalists (and their families). Israel is a far right apartheid state, they will kill whoever they feel like. I saw this posted today. While it's certainly not great that journalists are getting killed, there appear to be some abuse of journalism standards going on. https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1722637894592942473 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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daslog posted:I saw this posted today. While it's certainly not great that journalists are getting killed, there appear to be some abuse of journalism standards going on. I think very clearly the person taking the photo is not holding the grenade there pal but hey, do you have any justification for the other 36 they've murdered?
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Nov 9, 2023 19:36
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daslog posted:I saw this posted today. While it's certainly not great that journalists are getting killed, there appear to be some abuse of journalism standards going on. Can we please start using actual sources for poo poo instead of random Twitter accounts tweeting their own wild takes on claims they saw somewhere on the internet and haven't linked anywhere? This guy doesn't name the source, so all we have to go on for this claim that a CNN photographer took a picture of a grenade is his own Twitter account, which has several tweets in just the last 12 hours asserting that there is no such thing as an "innocent Palestinian".
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daslog posted:I saw this posted today. While it's certainly not great that journalists are getting killed, there appear to be some abuse of journalism standards going on. wow dog what a cool twitter account you're sourcing from https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1722686191995122023 e: lmao he deleted the tweet (an image of a comment and a link to it so it's clear it's not a photoshop)  This appears to be part of a push to claim that journalists had advanced knowledge of the events of October 7th. It's fun that this guy doesn't actually mention the name of the photographer, Hasan Eslayeh, because he's not a CNN photographer he's a freelancer who's done work with AP and elsewhere. 2nd e: Took a bit but here's the video although without any other context. Here's the facebook link which Wayback machine has apparently archived? But it shows up as a blank page on my end when I try to open it. Of course it notably has zero bearing on the journalists who have actually been murdered by Israel. There is no evidence that Issam Abdallah had any connection to October 7th. TGLT fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Nov 9, 2023 |
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It's kinda funny in a very dark way seeing a laughably stupid tweet on twitter and then seeing someone post it here as evidence. This might be the dumbest of all the propaganda pushes they've made. Stringers operate in warzones all the time and always have.
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Main Paineframe posted:Can we please start using actual sources for poo poo instead of random Twitter accounts tweeting their own wild takes on claims they saw somewhere on the internet and haven't linked anywhere? You have buttons, even if you're disinclined to use them. The (valid) complaint of posting rando Twitter people has been ongoing for weeks, it's not going to change unless you or a mod decides it needs to. Be the change you want to see!
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The fundamental origin for this sudden burst of talk about journalists appears to be a report from HonestReporting claiming that Palestinian journalists and photographers took photos of parts of the Hamas attack in Israel and its aftermath, and that mainstream media outlets bought photos from them. Yes, if you look closely, that's all they really say - that Palestinian photographers took pictures of the events. The report does not make any other direct allegations. It does not actually claim that the journalists were embedded with Hamas or participating in the atrocities, not does it directly claim that any of them had any advance knowledge of the events. It just lists a bunch of cases where pictures clearly taken inside Israel were credited to Gazan photographers, and then just spouts some "just asking questions" stuff about how suspicious it is that they just so happened to come through the big holes in the border fence that were open for hours. While the Israeli government and press are going ham with these accusations and exaggerating them into spicy headlines to put pressure on the foreign media, it's worth noting that HonestReporting (which, despite its name, is a pro-Israel lobby group dedicated to pressuring the media) was probably aiming for something a little different. Rather than discrediting the foreign media, HonestReporting's goal appears to be discouraging foreign media from working with Gazan journalists and freelancers at all, especially when it comes to documenting atrocities in or near combat zones. Their general PR push around this is being quite specific about not accusing major media organizations of direct complicity. Instead, they're suggesting that Gaza-based freelance journalists and photographers are inherently unreliable, and that their reports and photos shouldn't be used by major news organizations without first going through intensive vetting. The obvious result, of course, being that the foreign media won't use photos from Gaza, or will at least delay their use for a few days to let Israel get ahead of the news cycle. CNN and AP have already cut ties with one of the photographers cited in the report, despite claiming they have no reason to doubt the photographer's journalistic integrity of ethics.
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can't believe the guy who openly celebrated ethnic cleansing just today might be part of a disingenuous propaganda campaign
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The rate at which Palestinians are fleeing the North (mainly Gaza City) seems to have accelerated in the past few days. You realize this is literally ethnic cleansing right Like it's the definition of the term I'm not accusing you of supporting it but you seem to be buying into propaganda that it's simply part of the military battle against Hamas and not collective punishment of the civilian gazans
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A big flaming stink posted:You realize this is literally ethnic cleansing right IDF armor is impenetrable to Hamas attacks, but also the only way the IDF can fight Hamas is by levelling Gaza and driving all of the civilians out.
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https://twitter.com/gardnerakayla/status/1722639123830259929 Seems like Biden is unsurprisingly fully onboard with allowing the Israelis to commit their own genocidal campaigns.
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Is this Biden stating his opposition to a ceasefire or is he merely stating he doesn't believe Israel is interested in one?
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I don't agree with a lot of what Ian says, but he provides a good centrist perspective on what is going on right now with Israel and the Palestinians. I especially didn't like his argument that Israel has no choice but to bomb civilians because Hamas is hiding behind them. Just crazy talk in my mind. You don't kill hostages in a bank robbery, so you don't kill the so-called hostages in Gaza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tcwIicICg
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Israel's ambassador in Brazil was in a meeting with disgraced far-right ex-president Bolsonaro and his chud opposittion crew earlier to "share sensitive material". Even the local US-centric and Israel-favoring media have somewhat balked at that because Bolsonaro is seen a radioactive since his January 8th coup gambit. https://www.metropoles.com/colunas/guilherme-amado/apos-reuniao-com-bolsonaro-situacao-do-embaixador-de-israel-complica Official Israel accounts have also claimed that there are Hezbollah terrorists in Brazil planning a big attack, and that they are getting local help. It's a strange deal because the coutry has been in decent terms with both Lebanon and Iran for a while; however, two people have apparently been detained for further questioning on the matter. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/9/israels-mossad-says-helped-brazilian-police-foil-alleged-hezbollah-attack
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Sephyr posted:Israel's ambassador in Brazil was in a meeting with disgraced far-right ex-president Bolsonaro and his chud opposittion crew earlier to "share sensitive material". Even the local US-centric and Israel-favoring media have somewhat balked at that because Bolsonaro is seen a radioactive since his January 8th coup gambit. It's true, I'm the Hezbollah (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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daslog posted:I saw this posted today. While it's certainly not great that journalists are getting killed, there appear to be some abuse of journalism standards going on. The Nigerian prince post remains the truest one in the thread. They want you to believe the guy has two left hands and is taking video of the back of his own head. 
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https://twitter.com/dannydanon/status/1722613218437480704 cool looks like Israel's going to use this bullshit as an excuse to murder more journalists
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daslog posted:I saw this posted today. While it's certainly not great that journalists are getting killed, there appear to be some abuse of journalism standards going on. I refuse to believe that some random dipshit posted a blurry picture of a hand holding a grenade, in a position impossible to belong to the cameraman outside of recording behind his head with his right hand in some Extreme Sports pose, said "This is CNN! CNN did this!", and organically obtained 40,000 likes and millions of views. I refuse to believe that there exists a segment of unpaid users that stupid.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Hopefully all civilians will be able to flee before the ground campaign further intensifies to house-to-house fighting. This means they'll never be allowed back, and now the same people have to be crammed into an even smaller ghetto (with no buildings to live or work in, since most of them were in gaza city).
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Neurolimal posted:I refuse to believe that some random dipshit posted a blurry picture of a hand holding a grenade, in a position impossible to belong to the cameraman outside of recording behind his head with his right hand in some Extreme Sports pose, said "This is CNN! CNN did this!", and organically obtained 40,000 likes and millions of views. I refuse to believe that there exists a segment of unpaid users that stupid.
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punishedkissinger posted:Israel is really gonna have to release the hostages if they actually want peace. Even Israel itself admits that peace is the last thing they want.
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Negostrike posted:It's true, I'm the Hezbollah Hezbollah has committed multiple terrorist acts in South America before. They've been arrested in Peru, been caught with tons of bomb material in Bolivia and tried to assassinate Israeli citizens in Columbia. This isn't anything new.
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7c Nickel posted:Hezbollah has committed multiple terrorist acts in South America before. They've been arrested in Peru, been caught with tons of bomb material in Bolivia and tried to assassinate Israeli citizens in Columbia. This isn't anything new. Maybe you’re confusing Hezbollah with CIA operatives, who are actually there to take advantage of the region’s rich natural resources.
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BUUNNI posted:Maybe you’re confusing Hezbollah with CIA operatives, who are actually there to take advantage of the region’s rich natural resources. Jesus Christ, this thread is a loving pit. You don't have to pretend the deadliest terrorist attack in Argentine history didn't happen to oppose what Israel is doing.
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https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3240853/israel-hamas-fight-heats-gaza-city-sending-more-palestinians-fleeing-south I realize that South China Morning Post might not be the most credible source, but I am more interested in first photo - is that a cope cage I see on that Merkava tank?
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Szarrukin posted:https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3240853/israel-hamas-fight-heats-gaza-city-sending-more-palestinians-fleeing-south It's to combat drones with RPG warheads attached. at least one Merkava got seriously messed up by one earlier last month.
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7c Nickel posted:Jesus Christ, this thread is a loving pit. You don't have to pretend the deadliest terrorist attack in Argentine history didn't happen to oppose what Israel is doing. You didn’t mention Argentina at all in your original post. Why does a terrorist attack committed by an Iranian political group 30 years ago have to do with Israel committing a genocide in 2023? Why conflate the two? And who is responsible for more deaths in South America- the USA or Iran?
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Szarrukin posted:https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3240853/israel-hamas-fight-heats-gaza-city-sending-more-palestinians-fleeing-south You're going to be seeing a lot more of them from now on; drones are incredibly cheap and are being used very effectively by armies both regular and irregular, and RPG's remain cheap. At this point the term "cope cage" is a monument to hubris. Specific to this conflict; both Hamas and Hezbollah have used drones to deliver grenades.
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