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Halloween Jack posted:I don't like to explain my political opponents' actions with psychoanalysis, but at some point you just have to accept that the Right is riddled with deeply hosed up people who often have no real political goals beyond venting their repulsive obsessions onto anyone who will listen. "Let's make people look at gory abortions" comes from the same impulse as "Hey buddy have you heard about all the perverted poo poo trans people are doing? Here let me show you." Conservatives apparently are more highly sensitive and motivated by feelings of disgust. So in their mind these tactics are compelling because those images certainly galvanize them. But like a lot of people here suggest I doubt stuff like that actually persuades them- show them gory pictures of IDF committing war crimes against Palestinian children and it's not like they're going to flip their opinion about the conflict. Really these feelings of disgust serve to validate what they already believed by giving them the feeling of moral high ground. And at the same time, a reaction of shock and outrage by their opponents gets seen as a tacit admission of guilt. If you are visibly upset at being shown gory abortion photos, in their mind it's because you know deep down that it IS murder and IS wrong, you're just lying to yourself that it isn't. Because the other facet of their beliefs is this narcissistic view that nobody has legitimate values contrary to them-their values get centered as the truth and everything else is the Emperors New Clothes. Which is what makes it so easy for them to ignore contrary evidence- they don't believe even YOU believe it or take it seriously, so why should they?
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Mercury_Storm posted:Every accusation is a confession, yet again. There a number of videos of Trump saying, “The left, well sometimes you know? They take perfect little babies and the mother she gives the nod and then well… no more baby.”
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Murgos posted:There a number of videos of Trump saying, “The left, well sometimes you know? They take perfect little babies and the mother she gives the nod and then well… no more baby.” "Many people are calling it the Reverse Santos"
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Murgos posted:There a number of videos of Trump saying, “The left, well sometimes you know? They take perfect little babies and the mother she gives the nod and then well… no more baby.” Lol they are treating it like it's a Mortal Kombat fatality.
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Nov 9, 2023 19:06
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Panfilo posted:Lol they are treating it like it's a Mortal Kombat fatality. *Babality
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Professor Beetus posted:*Babality The MK2 babality finishers were awesome and adorable
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New right-wing talking point: Democrats want to make aborting freshly-born babies legal so they can perform a Babality on hard-working Americans then get away with finishing the job from there
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Nov 9, 2023 23:50
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FlamingLiberal posted:In my lifetime the GOP has always had an ‘other’ they needed to deal with. It’s gone from terrorists (aka brown people) to immigrants to gays to trans people, etc It goes back further than that. When I was a kid, boys with long hair, rock music, tattoos, communists, guys wearing earrings, smoking pot, anti war activists, women's lib advocates were all in the crosshairs. And they haven't just recently settled onto raggin on gay people. I'm pretty old and can tell you that we've come a long LONG way with the entire concept of gay acceptance. Hell, in the 90's we had don't ask don't tell and an honest to god controversy/debate about if gay people could serve in the military. In my lifetime, they've never NOT gone after gay people.
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Yeah, my boomer dad has... opinions about gay people. He finally learned to stop sharing them with me but I know he's quite disappointed that I don't share his rampant homophobia. I really don't want to know what he thinks about trans people. He also continually insists that Biden is a socialist, which is hilarious. 
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BiggerBoat posted:It goes back further than that. When I was a kid, boys with long hair, rock music, tattoos, communists, guys wearing earrings, smoking pot, anti war activists, women's lib advocates were all in the crosshairs. And they haven't just recently settled onto raggin on gay people. I'm pretty old and can tell you that we've come a long LONG way with the entire concept of gay acceptance. Whenever someone tells you how far to the right Clinton dragged the Democratic party, remember that when he proposed to let gay people serve openly in the military, half his own party was ready to join in with Republicans to enshrine "hunt them down and throw them out" into federal law.
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Panfilo posted:Conservatives apparently are more highly sensitive and motivated by feelings of disgust. So in their mind these tactics are compelling because those images certainly galvanize them. But like a lot of people here suggest I doubt stuff like that actually persuades them- show them gory pictures of IDF committing war crimes against Palestinian children and it's not like they're going to flip their opinion about the conflict. Really these feelings of disgust serve to validate what they already believed by giving them the feeling of moral high ground. They like seeing idf soldiers killing children. They cheered for those videos of kids getting pulled from their parents and locked up as well.
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FlamingLiberal posted:In my lifetime the GOP has always had an ‘other’ they needed to deal with. It’s gone from terrorists (aka brown people) to immigrants to gays to trans people, etc My "favorite" part of their current strategy is that they are required to act as if people being trans was something that only started happening in 2017 or so. Like it's so clear to anyone paying attention that they just got together and collectively decided to pivot their homophobia to transphobia because they perceive trans people as the easier target, so they pretend that being trans is just some  in order to justify policing people's gender and sexuality through force of law (because there isn't a single one of these motherfuckers who goes after trans people and doesn't then mutter "and while we're at it maybe we should do something about gay marriage" out of the side of their mouth if they think they're in front of a safe audience). Gotta make this thing that has been happening for all of human history seem like it started recently Because Woke, because how else are you going to scare Grandpa into the voting booth?Like I don't exactly expect your average Republican to have a deep understanding of queer history or anything, but dude, Ru Paul's Drag Race started in 2009, and now you're out here suddenly pretending that a winner from that show sitting and waving from a convertible in a Pride parade for the 10th year in a row is now obscene, pornographic, and must be shut down by police lest it corrupt our Precious Children? loving really?
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Haven't seen the show, but I thought Drag and being transgender were different to the point of being orthogonal?
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The Lone Badger posted:Haven't seen the show, but I thought Drag and being transgender were different to the point of being orthogonal? There's some overlap in certain spaces and with certain individuals, but you're right in that it's not the same and it's a very nuanced scene that deserves (and has received, by people way more qualified than my cis rear end) a very in-depth analysis and discussion. American conservatives don't give a poo poo about all that, though, since they treat any amount of deviation from strict gender roles at all times as The Trans Menace corrupting and grooming the youth. To them, drag queens are the final boss of trans-ness and the enemies of everything pure and good.
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I AM GRANDO posted:They like seeing idf soldiers killing children. They cheered for those videos of kids getting pulled from their parents and locked up as well. People of color are not people at all to Republicans. I mean, look at this poo poo: quote:Human rights defenders on Wednesday accused U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham of "incitement to genocide" after the South Carolina Republican urged Israeli forces to destroy Gaza—and he wasn't the only prominent GOP figure to make such an incendiary call. quote:Meanwhile, other prominent Republicans have taken to corporate and social media to make similar calls to Graham's. quote:On Monday, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) wrote on social media that "Israel must respond DISPROPORTIONATELY to this and any future attacks." Disproportionate attacks are war crimes under the Fourth Geneva Convention. They are truly loving vile people.
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There were also multiple places that were putting up checkpoints in areas for black voters to try and scare them into not coming. LOL, didnt work and they lost so bad. https://twitter.com/moocowsue/status/1721943697128911321
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BiggerBoat posted:It goes back further than that. When I was a kid, boys with long hair, rock music, tattoos, communists, guys wearing earrings, smoking pot, anti war activists, women's lib advocates were all in the crosshairs. And they haven't just recently settled onto raggin on gay people. I'm pretty old and can tell you that we've come a long LONG way with the entire concept of gay acceptance. Guys with earrings being mentioned reminds me of my family insisting the only acceptable dress for a man was a suit, no accessories. Apparently everyone in my family above 50 thinks this is just standard practice. A dark suit, ofc. If you dared say, a tan suit, the bill of rights would explode and all the founding fathers would come out of their graves to cry
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Guys with earrings being mentioned reminds me of my family insisting the only acceptable dress for a man was a suit, no accessories. Apparently everyone in my family above 50 thinks this is just standard practice. Yeah, there's no way anyone would ever take seriously some Hollywood schmuck from Commifornia who would wear something so insane as a tan suit. Such a person would be completely unelectable, especially if they passed relatively strict gun control laws! They could never, ever, become some sort of conservative messiah.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Guys with earrings being mentioned reminds me of my family insisting the only acceptable dress for a man was a suit, no accessories. Apparently everyone in my family above 50 thinks this is just standard practice. That's part of what's so depressing about Traditional White American Masculinity. Not only is it suffocatingly strict, it's also incredibly boring.
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I still get people commenting about my reletively minor tattoos on the inside of each of my arms as if I got a face tattoo of Calvin peeing on an American Flag.
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Quorum posted:That's part of what's so depressing about Traditional White American Masculinity. Not only is it suffocatingly strict, it's also incredibly boring. Is it really just white men? Being a man in most cultures seems to be pretty boring and restrictive.
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My parents were always afraid of women with tattoos. They believed many stupid things, but that one always confused me.
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I AM GRANDO posted:My parents were always afraid of women with tattoos. They believed many stupid things, but that one always confused me. Sometime in the early 90's I brought home a girl a few points above my league and, until the day they died, my grandma, father and step mom always referred to her as "the one with the nose ring". It was a little tiny thin hoop maybe 1/4" in diameter.
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BiggerBoat posted:Sometime in the early 90's I brought home a girl a few points above my league and, until the day they died, my grandma, father and step mom always referred to her as "the one with the nose ring". It was a little tiny thin hoop maybe 1/4" in diameter. I've got full sleeves on both arms and despite knowing they are there my mom and aunts gasp in shock every time I roll up my sleeves and reveal the devil's ink. It's even better with my wife, not only has she got a nose stud, wears studs on one ear instead of nice earrings, when we went on a vacation to Florida she revealed she had tattoos on gasp, her stomach!! And they're loving terrified
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Guess I'll put this here. Some YT comedians went to a school board book banning meeting and dropped some sarcasm bombs that even got some of the right wingers to laugh. High marks for advocating banning the bible due to socialism, incest, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0XWn6S1_iA
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Interesting defense of conservatism-a commonly held belief that only their convictions are sincere and everyone else are either liars or evil. I've also heard the arguement about empathy and art, and it's funny to see them get so defensive about it. https://twitter.com/GPrime85/status/1722234889947472072?t=n_uEIpUArYskqpcv7qMxRg&s=19
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Panfilo posted:Interesting defense of conservatism-a commonly held belief that only their convictions are sincere and everyone else are either liars or evil. I've also heard the arguement about empathy and art, and it's funny to see them get so defensive about it. For context, this schmuck is part of the alt right four panel twitter cartoonist brigade. We wound up implementing a soft ban on them from the politoons thread because they're cryptofascist, a combo of drawing incredibly hateful poo poo and arguments that, infuriatingly, occasionally had people nodding their heads.
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"and another thing, I'm not mad, please don't tell the newspaper I'm not mad" https://twitter.com/GPrime85/status/1721981934534889649?t=T-JiILFDSfcSiMjQIHhSLw&s=19 George initially made a splash making a genuinely amusing comic depicting Biden as a litch that extracts the blackness out of people, but it soon became obvious after that he was a right wing reactionary. Though somewhat notable is the fact that he desperately wants to be seen as a legitimate artist. Vehemently against AI art, getting in Twitter slap fights with other conservatives about the idea animation and video games are for children, etc.
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Panfilo posted:Interesting defense of conservatism-a commonly held belief that only their convictions are sincere and everyone else are either liars or evil. I've also heard the arguement about empathy and art, and it's funny to see them get so defensive about it. "You say we don't have empathy, but what if our enemies are genuinely inhuman monsters conjured by the devil? What then huh?"
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Panfilo posted:getting in Twitter slap fights with other conservatives about the idea animation and video games are for children, etc. Stage 1: "hey libs, this ain't your embarrassing uncle's Republican Party anymore, for I'm a young conservative and [gay/a woman/Jewish/atheist/Muslim/supportive of a socially liberal policy the GOP is on record as opposing/etc.] Bet your head just exploded right about now.  "Stage 2: pretty clear tension develops between this ostensible representative of the exciting next generation of Republicans on one hand, and vast swathes of actually existing Republicans on the other. Stage 3: ostensible representative is revealed to be incredibly uncool and/or gets involved in something criminal or otherwise scandalous that cannot be spun as a great patriotic service to America, whereupon they basically fade into obscurity. Milo is an example of this, so much so that he went from calling himself a "dangerous human being" to identifying as "ex-gay" in the span of a few years. Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Nov 12, 2023 |
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Enver Zogha posted:There's multiple instances of the following playing out: This guy hit Stage 3 early when it was noted how much of his back catalog features terrified women screaming and crying, and when he portrays himself it's usually as a creepy groper. Somehow he managed to post through it.
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Pope fires Qanon Bishop for being a nutjob. "Bishop Joseph E. Strickland of Tyler, Texas described that the Vatican and the United States as both having a deep state." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFcy-pAOsOU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Strickland "In September 2020, after pastor James Altman made a video stating "You cannot be Catholic and be a Democrat", Strickland told his followers to "heed this message" by Altman, endorsing the video and praising Altman for "courage". In December 2020, Strickland spoke at a rally in Washington D.C., held by supporters of President Donald Trump who were trying to overturn the result of the 2020 United States presidential election. By 2023, Strickland had described President Joe Biden as "evil"."
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Enver Zogha posted:There's multiple instances of the following playing out: I’ll never forget Laura « I handcuffed myself to one half of the Twitter HQ doors » Loomer making her triumphant return to one of the freeze peach Twitter clones. Then immediately getting immolated by a million comments mad she dared to exist while jewish
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Panfilo posted:Interesting defense of conservatism-a commonly held belief that only their convictions are sincere and everyone else are either liars or evil. I've also heard the arguement about empathy and art, and it's funny to see them get so defensive about it. Edit: quote:• We love ourselves The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Nov 12, 2023 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Hannity thinks that the democrats are "demagogues" regarding the abortion issue and that they and the media are constantly lying about republicans' stance on the issue. Stances I've heard them express and have read in their platforms. Lies by the media reporting factually about the language in bills and words directly from people's mouths. Accusing pro choice dems of demagoguery is absolutely hilarious to me given the last 40 years of hard right GOP candidates and pundits pontificating about murdering babies, how it's ruining america and we're all going to hell. Conservatives just say poo poo. If public opinion is against them they suddenly start being concerned about "tyranny of the majority." If they think, mistakenly, as they do about abortion that there's some public support then they start talking about how evil it is for cabals of elites to decide things by minoritarian rule. Fundamentally, they are fascists. They have an end goal in mind. How they get there doesn't matter. The only thing that's interesting or funny is when they delude themselves like they've done on gay marriage, abortion, and trans rights. They convinced themselves the Dem approach of doing nearly nothing on any of these was too extreme for voters. They've eaten poo poo on all of it because they mischaracterize the position of Democrats. They find themselves as the only nutcases shouting about these issues in extreme ways. Voters don't like it. Voters, by and large, don't support things like expansive trans rights. However, most voters when it is explained to them that some loving Karen can force a soccer ref to inspect their cis daughter's vagina if her shoulders are too wide after having scored the winning goal react in horror. Same goes for abortion. Most people agree abortion is complicated. They don't want themselves, their partner, or their daughter being told they have to be "this much closer to death," or "have filed this many police reports.." before doing the right thing. It was the same thing for gay marriage. They said the most insane poo poo to try to keep the ban going, and people were just tired of it and what continued enforcement of it meant for ordinary people. You don't have to convince people to be in favor of rights for marginalized groups, you can get them there by showing them the people trying to prevent those rights are willing to harm them in their quest to harm those marginalized groups. Moral NIMBYism, but it works. ErIog fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Nov 13, 2023 |
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Panfilo posted:"and another thing, I'm not mad, please don't tell the newspaper I'm not mad" Ask him what prompts he used I bet it'll really make him mad.
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Around midnight, secret service open fire on people trying to break into Hunter Bidens daughters car while she was sitting outside her house. They got away. Probably random jacking, MAGA is too dumb to get away. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1724061303512187170
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OgNar posted:Around midnight, secret service open fire on people trying to break into Hunter Bidens daughters car while she was sitting outside her house. Yeah I feel like if they were looking for "Evidence" we'd have seen their Youtube/Rumble page with a video talking about it already "SHOT AT WHILE CONDUCTING LAWFUL INVESTIGATION. WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?"
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ErIog posted:Voters, by and large, don't support things like expansive trans rights. However, most voters when it is explained to them that some loving Karen can force a soccer ref to inspect their cis daughter's vagina if her shoulders are too wide after having scored the winning goal react in horror. Same goes for abortion. Most people agree abortion is complicated. They don't want themselves, their partner, or their daughter being told they have to be "this much closer to death," or "have filed this many police reports.." before doing the right thing. Yeah, as frustrating as the South Park philosophy of "if you really care about something that makes you a loser" is most of the time, it does work both ways. Most conservatives aren't deeply-invested Culture Warriors, even if they say they are. Sure, they might be swept up into regressive movements, but they fall off when the actual deeply-invested Culture Warriors get too confident and say the quiet part loud too much. Like look at the whole Moms For Liberty thing. They kept their messaging tight at first, complaining about specific books in specific libraries. It makes sense that a conservative would react to a sex scene or nudity (no matter how tame) being in a book that children have access to with some concern, so the short-term outrage-baited election victories track. But now those same people who were elected are out here saying that all public education needs to be abolished, and unless we bring back Comstock Laws to beat back the degenerate pornographers our country is doomed, and their public support (measured by election wins at least) is crumbling. Whether that's due to alienation due to the rhetoric itself, or just them losing steam because their audience doesn't care that much, the result is the same
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