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FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Cup Runneth Over posted:

we don't need to blow it up, we just need to crack it like an egg

I think if we apply all our engineering prowess to this we can achieve it

Wouldn't it be easier to figure out how to shove the moon into earth at that point?

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bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

RIP Syndrome posted:

Good news! What has been called the first commercial plant in the United States to use direct air capture just opened, and another plant is operating in Iceland! It can remove the exhaust from about 200 cars. It does this by heating limestone to 1,650 degrees Fahrenheit.

https://news.yahoo.com/u-first-commercial-plant-starts-182814975.html
The best guesses I could find for the efficiency of synthesizing gasoline from captured CO2 were 12-25%. At the high end of that and the low end of this carbon capture cost (and completely ignoring the cost of CO2->Octane, which is significant), this would be $7.50/gallon of gas. You can safely double that for the CO2->Octane portion, since that process also requires both high temperatures and high pressures.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


FlapYoJacks posted:

Wouldn't it be easier to figure out how to shove the moon into earth at that point?

you're making the same mistake as the people who came before us in relying on going to space to solve our problems. we need solutions right here, right now, on Earth (for splitting the Earth asunder)

fanfic insert
Nov 4, 2009
how big is a nuke really? The Soviets drilled a pretty deep hole, if we just shoved a train of nukes, just one after another, down that hole until one of em blows up and sets of a chain reaction it'd be kinda like a wedge

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

fanfic insert posted:

how big is a nuke really? The Soviets drilled a pretty deep hole, if we just shoved a train of nukes, just one after another, down that hole until one of em blows up and sets of a chain reaction it'd be kinda like a wedge

what if a cartoonishly mad scientist reads this

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Earth's shell is already cracked like an egg, you'll need to dig deeper.

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


train? i'm in

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

fanfic insert posted:

how big is a nuke really? The Soviets drilled a pretty deep hole, if we just shoved a train of nukes, just one after another, down that hole until one of em blows up and sets of a chain reaction it'd be kinda like a wedge

:eng101: to get the most out of a subcritical mass of fissile material you need to make it critical in a very particular, very efficient way. Detonating nuke A by blowing it up with nuke B is a likely going to be a complete waste of nuke A

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Introducing the Future Earth newsletter: Get the latest climate solutions delivered to your inbox

oh boy oh boy i can't wait to hear about the latest climate solutions!!

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016

bawfuls posted:

The best guesses I could find for the efficiency of synthesizing gasoline from captured CO2 were 12-25%. At the high end of that and the low end of this carbon capture cost (and completely ignoring the cost of CO2->Octane, which is significant), this would be $7.50/gallon of gas. You can safely double that for the CO2->Octane portion, since that process also requires both high temperatures and high pressures.


That's a lot of cars! Imagine how much gas we can make with all that CO2, at $15 a gallon number will go through the roof! We'll all be rich!

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016




Me too! Any moment now!

Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/09/microplastic-eating-plankton-worsening-crisis-oceans-plastic-pollution?CMP=share_btn_tw

quote:


Microplastic-eating plankton may be worsening crisis in oceans, say scientists
Rotifers could be accelerating risk by splitting particles into thousands of potentially more dangerous nanoplastics
Seascape: the state of our oceans is supported by
theguardian.org
About this content
Karen McVeigh
@karenmcveigh1
Thu 9 Nov 2023 11.00 EST
A type of zooplankton found in marine and fresh water can ingest and break down microplastics, scientists have discovered. But rather than providing a solution to the threat plastics pose to aquatic life, the tiny creatures known as rotifers could be accelerating the risk by splitting the particles into thousands of smaller and potentially more dangerous nanoplastics.

Each rotifer, named from the Latin for “wheel-bearer” owing to the whirling wheel of cilia around their mouths, can create between 348,000 and 366,000 nanoplastics – particles smaller than one micrometre – each day.

The animals are microscopic, ubiquitous and abundant, with up to 23,000 individuals found living in one litre of water, in one location. The researchers, from a team led by the University of Massachusetts Amherst, calculated that in Poyang Lake, the largest lake in China, rotifers were creating 13.3 quadrillion of these plastic particles every day.

Plastic can take up to 500 years to decompose. As it ages, tiny pieces break off. Physical and chemical processes are known to break them down, including when exposed to sunlight or when waves grind bits of plastic against rocks, beaches or other obstacles floating in the ocean.

The scientists sought to examine what role aquatic life might play in microplastic creation, especially after the discovery in 2018 that Antarctic krill are able to break down polyethylene balls into fragments of less than one micrometre. Baoshan Xing, a professor of environmental and soil chemistry at the University of Massachusetts Amherst’s Stockbridge School of Agriculture, said they decided to look at rotifers because they had specialised chewing apparatus similar to krill. They wanted to test the hypothesis that rotifers, of which there are 2,000 species worldwide, could also break down plastic.

“Whereas Antarctic krill live in a place that is essentially unpopulated, we chose rotifers in part because they occur throughout the world’s temperate and tropical zones, where people live,” said Xing, the paper’s senior author.

The animals mistake microplastics – fragments of less than 5mm in diameter – for algae, he said.

After exposing marine and freshwater species of rotifers to a variety of different plastics of different sizes, they found all could ingest microplastics of up to 10 micrometres (0.01mm), break them down and then excrete thousands of nanoplastics back into the environment. Polyethylene microplastics from food containers as well as nanoplastics were detected in the rotifers’ bodies.

Xing said their work was “just the first step”. “We need the scientific community to determine how harmful these nanoplastics are,” he said. “We need to look at other organisms on land and in water for biological fragmentation of microplastics and collaborate with toxicologists and public health researchers to determine what this plague of nanoplastics is doing to us.”

Studies have shown that nanoplastics are probably more dangerous for living organisms than microplastics because they are more abundant and reactive.

If rotifers can produce 13.3 quadrillion nanoparticles a day in Poyang Lake, then the amount created worldwide is immeasurably greater. Each microplastic could theoretically be broken down into 1,000,000,000,000,000 nanoplastic particles, which are then more easily spread.

Microplastics have contaminated every corner of the planet, from the top of Mount Everest to the depths of the Mariana Trench, and research has shown they are in many humans’ blood and heart tissue and the placentas of unborn babies. They cause harm in human cells in the laboratory at levels known to be eaten by people via food.

Jian Zhao, a professor of environmental science and engineering at the Ocean University of China and the paper’s lead author, said nanoplastics were not only potentially toxic to various organisms but served as carriers for other contaminants. The release of chemical additives in the plastic could be enhanced during and after fragmentation, he added.

lol forget micro we on to nanoplastics now bitch

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


lmao bdowned

Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

bdelliod go bdrrrrrrr

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008




please refer to forums user Communist Thoughts post as quoted in the op

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
proud of our little rotifer buddies for making the news (again), good work lil' dudes :3:

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


fanfic insert posted:

how big is a nuke really? The Soviets drilled a pretty deep hole, if we just shoved a train of nukes, just one after another, down that hole until one of em blows up and sets of a chain reaction it'd be kinda like a wedge

putting aside the non-feasibility of nuclear chain reactions, earth's core is already pretty volatile and well-contained, I don't think nuking the center of the earth is gonna do much. blowing the earth up from the inside seems like a non-starter to me. we need a real planet-cracking system that will lever it open most of the way along the equator, from crust to mantle at minimum. I think if we devote our global society to this we can devise a solution to ensure nobody gets to come after us

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

how long before these little guys or similar evolve to actually consume nanoplastics and derive energy from them?

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


The whole internet loves rotifers, a lovely microscopic creature that eats plastic! *5 years later* We regret to inform you the rotifers make the plastic worse

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

can't help but cheer on my fave little friends, rotifer and corona

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Cup Runneth Over posted:

The whole internet loves rotifers, a lovely microscopic creature that eats plastic! *5 years later* We regret to inform you the rotifers make the plastic worse

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




The rotifers will terraform this planet into a shiny plastic ball and for a few billion years there will be a monument saying that we were here

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Cup Runneth Over posted:

The whole internet loves rotifers, a lovely microscopic creature that eats plastic! *5 years later* We regret to inform you the rotifers make the plastic worse

swamp thong
Nov 6, 2023

quote:

the state of our oceans is supported by
theguardian.org

Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002


lol

Pussy Quipped
Jan 29, 2009

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!
All hail the new flesh plastic

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



Cup Runneth Over posted:

The whole internet loves rotifers, a lovely microscopic creature that eats plastic! *5 years later* We regret to inform you the rotifers make the plastic worse

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Looks like bad times ahead for Iceland
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1723132326203326551?s=20

kaxman
Jan 15, 2003
look it's gonna be very convenient to the airport, think of the tourism dollars

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

Cup Runneth Over posted:

putting aside the non-feasibility of nuclear chain reactions, earth's core is already pretty volatile and well-contained, I don't think nuking the center of the earth is gonna do much. blowing the earth up from the inside seems like a non-starter to me. we need a real planet-cracking system that will lever it open most of the way along the equator, from crust to mantle at minimum. I think if we devote our global society to this we can devise a solution to ensure nobody gets to come after us



Oh come on you're a bunch of suicidal morons!! What are you, crazy?! Plan C? "Restart the core somehow?" Oh that's a great idea! That's a brilliant idea! I can't believe I'm stuck on this floating septic tank with you lunatics! You may have nothing to lose, you may have nothing to lose, you may have nothing to lose, but I have my life to lose thank you very much while you're up! Now turn it around! He told us to go back, and we're going back! Why? You wanna be a hero? You wanna be a martyr? What do you want to be? You're out of your minds! Thank you!

As for the Death Star blasting, the necessary energy to do what it did to Alderaan was on the order of 1E38J. But if you want to just crack the planet to bits, rather than vaporise it all and have it explode violently outwards at high relativistic speeds, much less is needed.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023


This li'l guy is great. He reminds me of my partner's dog who passed earlier this year. I hope you give this mop a lot of treats and affection.

Zoodpipe
Jun 24, 2004

This is an important call. So, shut the fuck up.
Fallen Rib

I love dogs with whacked out hair. 10/10

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Taima
Dec 31, 2006

tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

Cup Runneth Over posted:

The whole internet loves rotifers, a lovely microscopic creature that eats plastic! *5 years later* We regret to inform you the rotifers make the plastic worse

lmao

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Our little buddy has been milkshake ducked. Oh no

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate



Sucks, I like Iceland. The good news though is that there's good times ahead for Greenland.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

r u ready to WALK posted:

Do we have enough nukes to overcome gravity and send chunks of earth careening into space in all directions though? I'm thinking at most we would be able to make some big dents in the surface and irradiate the planet for a long time but I don't we could actually obliterate it to the point it's no longer a planet orbiting the sun.

In other words things will be fine (for the planet, not us)
qntm has an essay for if you absolutely have to make the Earth not count as a planet anymore that's good reading.

e: Oh wait that's the realistic one. Here's the earlier one with direct applications.

Short answer: nope

stringless has issued a correction as of 12:24 on Nov 11, 2023

Fell Mood
Jul 2, 2022

A terrible Fell look!
Humanity has a death drive. And now that killing ourselves is finally within sight, it's not enough. The entire planet must cease to exist. That can do spirit is admirable, but physics is a harsh mistress. If we are very, very, lucky we might be able to create a run away Venus effect and sterilize the biosphere, but it's unlikely. Forget shattering the planet, we'll never even get close.

Paradoxically, if we would like to experience the ultimate death of the sun becoming a red dwarf and boiling the oceans, we've got to get our poo poo together now. I'm not optimistic.

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Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007



Now think about what we did to humans.

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