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Israel loves embarrassing itself on the world stage. It really is the Nigerian prince scam who but the dumbest people alive is buying any of this. https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1723084635230392417?s=20 https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1723087870548668524?s=20
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This really is them justifying that any death in Gaza is because they are aligned with Hamas in one way or another. Also quite literally taunting that they'll kill anyone on the ground in Gaza.
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Testekill posted:This really is them justifying that any death in Gaza is because they are aligned with Hamas in one way or another. Also quite literally taunting that they'll kill anyone on the ground in Gaza. This doctor won't be briefed on our insane claims about a terror city built under the hospital. edit: loving shameful 
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Groovelord Neato posted:Israel loves embarrassing itself on the world stage. It really is the Nigerian prince scam who but the dumbest people alive is buying any of this. "We have urged [him] to speak with us about the undeniable subterranean city of terror underneath the Al-Shifa hospital, yet we receive no answer." This is a crackpot line. I'm not even saying that as a judgement of what they're attempting (which is absolutely crackpot). This is a line you write for someone who is supposed to be insane in a movie. The Abominable Snowman! The Alien Crop Circles! The Subterranean City of Terror!
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:The IDF's job is to kill people. It's the army. This is like saying it's the job of soap to lather. It's not wrong, but it's sorely missing the point.
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Haven't seen this posted as yet. The Israeli MFA has revised its death toll estimate from 1,400 to 1,200. It's been suggested that the additional bodies are Hamas (or others) but too badly burned to be identifiable. Now, I haven't given a huge amount of credence so far to Israel having killed large numbers of its own civilians but it strikes me that if it's counting around 200 dead Hamas fighters, then they won't have been from separate engagements but amongst civilians. If the Hamas fighters are also burned beyond recognition, then it's likely it's not from their own weapons. It suggests to me that significant numbers of Israeli civilians will have been killed by the Israeli armed forces. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-revises-death-count-from-oct-7-hamas-onslaght-dropping-it-from-1400-to-1200/ Times of Israel posted:Israel has revised the death toll of last month’s Hamas attacks to roughly 1,200, Foreign Ministry spokesman Lior Haiat tells The Times of Israel.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:I don't share, or understand, your idea that a massacre has to be premeditated. I googled some definitions - not to try to own you with the dictionary but because I hate to understand words wrong - and I couldn't find any definitions that had that element. I went through and read your posts in this thread and I only see you use brutal, once, to describe Hamas actions. For Israel, you have only used killed or murdered. You are obsessed with the protection of Israeli’s property rights as well despite you “not being a Zionist”. This is not meant to be a gotcha, just to show how use of words are often biased and emotionally charged.
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Haven't seen this posted as yet. The Israeli MFA has revised its death toll estimate from 1,400 to 1,200. I did post it last page but it was near the bottom. The Times has posted supposed diagrams of the Hamas tunnels but the ones they show are too deep for the IDF to actually strike.  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/10/world/europe/hamas-gaza-tunnels.html
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Mean Baby posted:It’s a challenge to talk about 10/7 because the visual images we have are primarily of the rave versus the much wider series of events. They are also just a few snippets which (not you) have been used to claim there were mass rapes, babies beheaded, etc. I understand what you're getting at more clearly now. Thanks for explaining. Hong XiuQuan posted:Haven't seen this posted as yet. The Israeli MFA has revised its death toll estimate from 1,400 to 1,200. It's been suggested that the additional bodies are Hamas (or others) but too badly burned to be identifiable. I could arguably understand a couple dozen, but 200ish, idk. Israeli media would pick up on this eventually, I'd think? Haaretz seems to pretty openly criticize IDF for lesser offenses, even if they still tow the line for the general themes. Groovelord Neato posted:I did post it last page but it was near the bottom. It seems like they're perfectly content with blowing the entrances and then occupying Gaza and waiting the tunnels out. I can't imagine this working entirely if they can't hit the deep tunnels though. They've got to have ample supplies for a motivated force against an invasion on home turf. ummel fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Nov 11, 2023 |
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Haven't seen this posted as yet. The Israeli MFA has revised its death toll estimate from 1,400 to 1,200. It's been suggested that the additional bodies are Hamas (or others) but too badly burned to be identifiable. Militants attacking kibbutzes reportedly set fire to a number of houses on Oct 7th, killing many civilians who'd taken refuge in fortified safe rooms. Sure, badly burned militants are unlikely to have burned themselves to death. But even if Israel used weapons that badly burned Palestinian militants, that doesn't mean that everyone who died badly burned that day was killed by Israel.
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Groovelord Neato posted:I did post it last page but it was near the bottom. This feels a LOT like this same kind of energy: 
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Groovelord Neato posted:I did post it last page but it was near the bottom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Z5UGE3g5M
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I saw a thing on instagram about helping people in gaza through giving them an esim for their phones so they have internet access. But this seems like a very bad idea if youre American? Wanted to make sure this isnt something that will result in a very quick visit from the CIA?
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Mean Baby posted:I went through and read your posts in this thread and I only see you use brutal, once, to describe Hamas actions. For Israel, you have only used killed or murdered. You are obsessed with the protection of Israeli’s property rights as well despite you “not being a Zionist”. I am absolutely not a Zionist and deeply resent your ridiculous insinuation otherwise. I am not "obsessed with the protection of Israel's property rights", that is a lie and it might be the most insulting lie that's ever been spread about me. In this thread I have described the destruction of Gaza as: retaliatory mass murder, an urgent crisis, profoundly immoral, a horrifying atrocity, barbarism, a massacre, an abomination, and a war crime. I have compared the state of Palestine before 10/7 to that of the Warsaw Ghetto, compared its destruction now to the entire Holocaust, called it ethnic cleansing, called it a genocide, called it plain evil. I have called the Israeli state an apartheid state multiple times. I have said Palestinians are subjected to insane collective humiliation on explicitly ethnic lines. Your choice to ignore all this and smear me in this way because I didn't use the word "brutal" is inexplicable. EDIT: Especially because I did describe Israel's crimes as "brutal"! That exact word. Why you would lie about this I don't understand. Civilized Fishbot posted:No, even if you believe the absolute bullshit that civilians aren't intentionally targeted, both the Hamas attack on Israel and the Israeli attack on Gaza are full of brutal war crimes against civilians, and a pledge to keep doing it is a pledge to keep doing those crimes. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Nov 11, 2023 |
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I said come in! posted:I saw a thing on instagram about helping people in gaza through giving them an esim for their phones so they have internet access. But this seems like a very bad idea if youre American? Wanted to make sure this isnt something that will result in a very quick visit from the CIA? The Holy Land Foundation guys got what amount to life sentences for not doing anything illegal or anything the US government wasn't already doing so yeah I'd steer clear.
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Groovelord Neato posted:The Holy Land Foundation guys got what amount to life sentences for not doing anything illegal or anything the US government wasn't already doing so yeah I'd steer clear. Okay that was my fear. Basically someone in the NSA would be like “why is I Said Come In! spending money for something in gaza, a city of 2 million terrorists fighting our closes ally? Those military drones flying over WA sometimes dont function right, funny that! *presses a button*”
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Main Paineframe posted:Militants attacking kibbutzes reportedly set fire to a number of houses on Oct 7th, killing many civilians who'd taken refuge in fortified safe rooms. The problem Israel will have had is that everyone disappeared from the area because they were either killed, kidnapped, or fled, and they'll have spent the last month trying to work out first who was in the area and then trying to track them down and establish where they are. That's a pretty huge problem.
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What's the general timeline since the the 31st? I was admitted for viral pneumonia on Halloween and was just released yesterday. I know about the bombing of a refugee camp but I was in and out of it.
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Neurolimal posted:"We have urged [him] to speak with us about the undeniable subterranean city of terror underneath the Al-Shifa hospital, yet we receive no answer." It's absolutely a location where Flash Gordon tangled with Ming the Merciless or Dan Dare fought the Mekon. HonorableTB posted:This feels a LOT like this same kind of energy: I get it, but Hamas have had almost twenty years to excavate and construct these tunnels, and their ability to get around IDF troops even after massive bombardment suggests the tunnels are pretty extensive and pretty deep. The IDF is clearly pretty reluctant to go down there and do it in person and honestly I wouldn't exactly be eager to do it either, you'd need a company of space marines to do it without taking massive casualties. Taking the surface and trying to wait them out may not be that effective either though, if guys can pop out of hidden tunnels at any time it's still going to risk serious losses.
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I said come in! posted:I saw a thing on instagram about helping people in gaza through giving them an esim for their phones so they have internet access. But this seems like a very bad idea if youre American? Wanted to make sure this isnt something that will result in a very quick visit from the CIA? Unless you can run a background check on whoever it is and somehow one that would make the entire doj, FBI, cia, etc. happy that this person isn't remotely connected to Hamas (hint: there's no way to do that) you'd be getting in deep poo poo as an American or any other country that labels Hamas as a terrorist organization. Rigged Death Trap posted:The IDF is sieging Al Shifa Hospital. Yes, it's horrible, newborns in incubators are dying due to no electricity and everyone in intensive care. It's a genocide.
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I'm 'looking forward to' seeing Israel's excuse for sniping every refugee and hospital staffer that leaves the Al-Shifa hospital. I'm sure it will be very compelling. It will not at all be infuriating when, after a day wherein forty premature babies died overnight in their incubators, Biden says that Israel is doing everything in their power to avoid civilian casualties. It's so easy to assume that the people you hate are pure evil, acting only with malice, without any cause or reason but to be as vile as humanly possible, but I genuinely cannot fathom why they are sieging a hospital, beyond a desperate push to attempt to capture it, find something approximating a tunnel, and justify the very slaughter used to get there. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Nov 11, 2023 |
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I mean, we know they're going to find an underground bunker complex. No one who matters will care that it's there because they built it before the occupation.
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“We killed all the babies on incubators a few days ago but we also found some munitions.” is how it will go.
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Gaza hospitals under bombardment as medical system reaches point of ‘no return’ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/11/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestine-live/ quote:As Israeli tanks encircled hospitals in Gaza City, bombardment and fighting has raged around al-Shifa Hospital, the city’s largest, with medical workers unable to leave. Fuel shortages left the overcrowded hospital without power, killing a premature baby and four patients in the intensive care unit, Gaza health officials said Saturday. The International Committee of the Red Cross warned earlier that the medical system in the besieged Palestinian enclave had reached a “point of no return.” Doctors Without Borders said they could not reach staff at al-Shifa, where thousands of displaced people have been sheltering. Amid an Israeli advance against Hamas, several hospitals in Gaza City have come under fire or were overtaken by Israeli forces on Friday, forcing their evacuation, according to videos verified by The Washington Post. This is what I'd feared would happen after the hospitals were seiged. There's absolutely no way to evacuate an ICU in these conditions.
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Isaac Chotiner got a West Bank settler leader for an interview. quote:What are the borders of that Jewish nation? https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extreme-ambitions-of-west-bank-settlers Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Nov 11, 2023 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:Isaac Chotiner got a West Bank settler leader for an interview. Why do people agree to be interviewed by him? Every single one ends up looking like an incredible moron
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Why do people agree to be interviewed by him? Every single one ends up looking like an incredible moron I think it's important to have these sort of unhinged interviews take place, as it gives us a look at how evil Israel is. It helps bring pressure on world powers to stop Israel at any cost.
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Why do people agree to be interviewed by him? Every single one ends up looking like an incredible moron I think this interview didn't/couldn't go that way because there was nothing to expose. She's already an open racist who will say without hesitation that Palestinians children's lives matter less, that Palestinians shouldn't be able to vote, that they should go to Egypt or Turkey while Jews settle Gaza. And who bases all this on the pretense of a religious narrative. She's not ashamed of these ideas, they're not dark implications of her worldview that need someone like Chotiner to be exposed and underlined. They're her public platform, she wants these ideas widely disseminated. Unlike the typical Chotiner-interview-victim, she didn't say anything in that interview that she wouldn't want on a billboard next to her face. Because she has accepted what she really believes and why.
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Why do people agree to be interviewed by him? Every single one ends up looking like an incredible moron She does not have the requisite intellect or soul to realize how badly she looks. Her life is devoted to an evil cause.
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Spoke Lee posted:What's the general timeline since the the 31st? I was admitted for viral pneumonia on Halloween and was just released yesterday. I know about the bombing of a refugee camp but I was in and out of it. A week or two ago, IDF ground forces completely surrounded Gaza City, cutting it off from the rest of the Gaza Strip and methodically cutting or blocking as many tunnels as they could find leading out of Gaza City. Over the past few days, Israeli troops seem to be slowly pushing into Gaza City, but Gaza internet access has been cut off, so reports are sporadic. Aside from that, not much has changed. Israel has continued to intensively bomb the north half of the Gaza Strip and sporadically bomb the south half, while loudly urging civilians to flee south. There's been a few more explosions at or near hospitals, which Israel either claims were targeted at groups of militants or blames on errant Palestinian rockets. A few hundred foreign citizens have been allowed to leave through the Rafah Crossing. Neurolimal posted:I'm 'looking forward to' seeing Israel's excuse for sniping every refugee and hospital staffer that leaves the Al-Shifa hospital. I'm sure it will be very compelling. It will not at all be infuriating when, after a day wherein forty premature babies died overnight in their incubators, Biden says that Israel is doing everything in their power to avoid civilian casualties. The last time there were reports that people leaving Al-Shifa were being shot at, Israel claimed Hamas were shooting at the civilians to prevent their human shields from fleeing. No reason not to keep using that excuse, probably. It's not like anyone's in any position to get hard proof of just where the gunfire's coming from. ContinuityNewTimes posted:Why do people agree to be interviewed by him? Every single one ends up looking like an incredible moron This is the stuff she honestly believes, and she's not ashamed of anything she said there. He didn't drag any deep secrets out of her. The settler-extremist leaders are very open and explicit about their stance, and they think any politicians who get squeamish about that are damnable cowards who are so terrified of foreign countries that they're compromising on Israel's divine right awarded by God himself. She lives basically next door to Bezalel Smotrich, who's openly stated that Jews shouldn't sell homes to Arabs, that hospital maternity wards should be racially segregated, that "there is no such thing as a Palestinian people", that the far-right activist who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin was brainwashed into doing it, that Palestinian villages like Huwara should be "wiped out", that Israel should run according to religious law rather than civil law, that a gay rights parade is an "abomination" and a "beast parade", and that Reform Judaism is a fake religion. If Bezalel Smotrich sounds like a vaguely familiar name, that's because he is currently the Minister of Finance in the Netanyahu government. These people are not ashamed of saying this poo poo and they don't feel like there's any reason to hide it. They quite frankly do not give a single gently caress about their public appearance or international opinion. The religious-Zionist settlers quite honestly believe that they are truly entitled to dominion over all of their Greater Israel dreams, and that anyone who opposes that is an enemy in league with the Arabs to deny the Jewish people their rights.
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I would love to pit those people against the insane evangelical chuds in the US who believe the same things but for themselves above all.
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The evacuation of brazilians at Gaza was cancelled at the last moment. https://twitter.com/IsraelinBrazil/status/1723012474763391410 Israel claims that the transfer was blocked by Hamas, which is odd since other foreigners have been evacatuated without issue in the interval, and the Rafah crossing is managed by Egypt and the IDF, not Hamas. On the home front, the two suspected Hezbollah agents that Israel crowed about both came forward and denied any involvement (earlier reports had them confessing). The nationalities are also not what the first bits of news indicated (Syrian and Lebanese, not Iranian). So far, it has been alleged that the two met with known members of Hezbollah, but no details of specific plots have been revealed so far.
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guidoanselmi posted:Gaza is operating as efficiently as a Nazi extermination camp. During most of its operation, Auschwitz was not a dedicated killing center. When the Auschwitz II/Birkenau killing center really got going during the slaughter of 1944/early '45, they were killing around 10,000 people per day. Notably, this graph does not show either '44 or '45.
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it's loving beyond me how israel is literally killing infants and, outside of few leftist infobubbles, world still believe they are the good guys here.
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Szarrukin posted:it's loving beyond me how israel is literally killing infants and, outside of few leftist infobubbles, world still believe they are the good guys here. I think quite a lot of people in the world are upset about it beyond “a few leftist infobubbles.” Even in the US, there seems to be increasing disapproval of Israeli war crimes, although still probably not a majority.
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Woolie Wool posted:During most of its operation, Auschwitz was not a dedicated killing center. When the Auschwitz II/Birkenau killing center really got going during the slaughter of 1944/early '45, they were killing around 10,000 people per day. Notably, this graph does not show either '44 or '45. The gas chambers ceased operation towards the end of 1944 and were destroyed in January 1945 (the camp was liberated on the 27th) though your general point stands as the summer of 1944 was when the gassings were at their highest rate. This would be funny if it wasn't justifying the most horrific acts imaginable: https://x.com/Israel/status/1723389262794478007?s=20 Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Nov 11, 2023 |
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Sephyr posted:Not likely. Israel pols actually did some legwork in becoming more 'independent' back in 2010, after Obama very softly said settlements were not cool (while keeping the money and UN vetos flowing). Honest question: What does the USA get out of giving money to Israel? Like, there's got to be a reason billions are going to fund weapons for genocide instead of being used for healthcare for citizens and I'd like to know why.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Honest question: What does the USA get out of giving money to Israel? "An ally in the middle east", nominally.
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