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I don't like RTD's style when it comes to showrunning DW, but I unequivocally agree with his messages of inclusion and diversity. 
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Include em all and let Who sort em out
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I'm going to maintain til everyone is sick of hearing me say it that the quality whiplash for the Chibnal era is not between episodes, it's within episodes. There are very few stories in those series that don't at least start with promise and most of them even build in a good direction, and then the crummy ones either fail to pull the trigger or drop the ball in the third act.Lottery of Babylon posted:Less flippantly, these are people who have a very unusual definition of "political". For them, the political part of Aliens of London / World War Three isn't the 9/11 allegory where a group of politicians use false claims of weapons of mass destruction in the wake of a flying vehicle hitting a tower to drum up enough fear to start a war on false pretenses for their own profit, it's the part where Mickey is black. For many people things only seem political when they disagree with their own beliefs. Something that approves the status quo is not political, from that perspective. The binary is "normal" vs "political."
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Nov 10, 2023 18:37
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Yes, the Chibnall era is characterized by watching an episode and feeling the increasing urge to shout WHY ISN"T THIS EPISODE BETTER? at your screen. While in other moments of the show's history, you wouldn't do that because it was pretty obvious why that episode wasn't better. Contrasting with the "this plot/concept/character has no potential" is Chibnall's "look at all the wasted potential" model of the show. Best improvement: The Dominators into The Mind Robber. I wouldn't argue for these myself, but I could also see someone arguing for The Invasion of Time into The Ribos Operation or Terminus into Enlightenment.
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Nov 10, 2023 19:27
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https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1720455797849940098 Star Beast airs 6:30PM Nov 25, 56 minutes Vinylshadow fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Nov 10, 2023 |
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Nov 10, 2023 21:20
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https://twitter.com/EveryMeep/status/1722765348254945307?s=20 We're getting close now! I can't believe we're going to get three straight weeks of new doctor who and then a Christmas episode! I am very excited if you can't tell.
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Nov 10, 2023 22:53
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Vinylshadow posted:Star Beast airs 6:30PM Nov 25, 56 minutes  It's been too long.
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Fil5000 posted:I remain baffled at people who like Doctor Who (and indeed Star Trek) who get angry at progressive politics. What on earth are they finding in the show to enjoy? That's some conservative-rear end poo poo, and Doctor Who occasionally does this too. But to your point, mostly it's because conservates are as bad at media literacy as they are at sex.
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Nov 11, 2023 00:16
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To be fair, the crew of the USS Enterprise was right to intervene on the Nazi planet and tell them they were wrong.
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Nov 11, 2023 00:25
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They were right pretty much most of the time, but it's still a very conservative mindset dressed up with a military structure of command.
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Nov 11, 2023 00:43
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How about this one for an uptick? Delta and the Bannermen to Dragonfire. CobiWann fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Nov 11, 2023 |
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Nov 11, 2023 00:56
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CobiWann posted:How about this one for an uptick? Me and the gang every time we're forced to remember Delta and the Bannermen exists: 
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Nov 11, 2023 01:28
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LividLiquid posted:I used to wonder this about Star Trek, but the franchise is about boldly going where no one has gone before, finding people already there, telling them their ways are bad and wrong, loving up their entire society in a day or two, then loving off and never following up. Oh give me a break already. This is such a deliberately hostile misreading of the entire franchise. Conservatives are dipshits who routinely and purposely ignore or miss entirely the subtext of the things they’re watching. That’s it, that’s the whole reason you can have conservative and libertarian Trekkies. They’re morons. It has nothing to do with the content of the actual show that often went well out of its way to be purposely progressive for the time in which it was made.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Oh give me a break already. This is such a deliberately hostile misreading of the entire franchise. But the rest just don't understand media on any level whatsoever beyond "things happened in it and I liked watching them happen."
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Oh give me a break already. This is such a deliberately hostile misreading of the entire franchise. Not only that, but as I seem to recall Kirk and co. often took great pains to not violate the Prime Directive. They usually only did so when events forced their hand, like in that one episode where warfare was conducted via computer, with victims voluntary reporting for death after the computer reported the results of an "attack". And even though Kirk found their approach to warfare inhumane and distasteful, as I recall he took no steps to interfere with anything, until the planet's government said "oh shucks, the Enterprise was collateral damage in that last attack and got completely destroyed. Sorry about that Kirk, better send your entire crew down to get killed in our suicide chambers". Kirk didn't just show up on that planet and start imposing his will, and I don't think he did that in any of the other episodes where they encountered cultures with values that he found personally repellent. And by and large, the Doctor has much the same approach, when it comes to only interfering with a planet's culture or government because events force the Doctor's hand (or because it's ruled by a repressive regime that deserves to be toppled).
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Nov 11, 2023 03:45
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Do y'all seriously not get that when I'm explaining why conservatives would like a thing, I'm not talking about myself? Because I'm literally a trans communist.
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LividLiquid posted:Do y'all seriously not get that when I'm explaining why conservatives would like a thing, I'm not talking about myself? No, we get that. What we're saying is your hypothesis is very flawed.
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Nov 11, 2023 03:50
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“Conservative dipshits like Star Trek because it secretly has conservative overtones” is such a blindingly wrong take that it honestly makes me question if you’ve actually seen more than just out of context clips of the show.
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Nov 11, 2023 03:56
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Big Mean Jerk posted:“Conservative dipshits like Star Trek because it secretly has conservative overtones" "Why do conservatives like Star Trek?" Because if they squint really hard and ignore most of the rest of it, there are bits that appear conform to their dogshit worldview.
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Nov 11, 2023 04:12
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How is that any loving different to what I said in my first reply? You don’t get to post like a condescending rear end if you’re only skimming the replies you get lmao
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Nov 11, 2023 04:15
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It's lividliquid. She's just really angry all the time.
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Nov 11, 2023 04:18
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LividLiquid posted:Okay, I'm going to try this one more time: E: On reflection, my repsonse probably came across as more "aggro" than anything else, so I decided to remove it. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Nov 11, 2023 |
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Narsham posted:Yes, the Chibnall era is characterized by watching an episode and feeling the increasing urge to shout WHY ISN"T THIS EPISODE BETTER? at your screen. While in other moments of the show's history, you wouldn't do that because it was pretty obvious why that episode wasn't better. Contrasting with the "this plot/concept/character has no potential" is Chibnall's "look at all the wasted potential" model of the show. Chibnall has seen one episode of television in his life, and it's the Venture Brothers episode Escape to the House of Mummies, Pt 2
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Sensible people watching TOS or TNG recognise that certain things like the complete lack of gay people in the future is a product of when the show was made, and totally recognise that if it was made now they would be there. Conservatives take it literally and go "gently caress yeah look at this show recognising that 1960s norms are so eternal they'll be in place even centuries from now"
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Senor Tron posted:Sensible people watching TOS or TNG recognise that certain things like the complete lack of gay people in the future is a product of when the show was made, and totally recognise that if it was made now they would be there. Let me just say as an outside observer, this did look a lot like people misread the intent of the original post. Which was better phrased above by Senator Tron. BF CHAT OODUNIT - quite fun. I still don't quite understand the context of the earth empire Torchwood and feel I may have missed some stories(I have listened to archive and a couple others but it's vague memory), but I like the Zachary Cross character. And I really always enjoy having a good Ood story - and James Goss is never a miss for me, so I definitely recommend it. Time to begin planning our holiday re listens. Besides the obvious Chimes, what others make your yearly list? I'm gonna include Who eps and BF since otherwise our lists are very boring. Chimes, fairytale for zaltsburg, blood on Santa's claw, the dream crab episode, maybe the snowmen for kicks. I gotta do a little digging and rememeber some more
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If you want depressing to kinda cheerful, Death in Blackpool + Relative Dimensions. And even though it's not a Christmas story, if you want madcap cheer, The One Doctor.
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McGann posted:Let me just say as an outside observer, this did look a lot like people misread the intent of the original post. Which was better phrased above by Senator Tron. Drop Blood on Santa's Claw and replace it with The One Doctor. The Eighth Doctor & Lucie audio "Relative Dimensions" is Christmas themed
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Davros1 posted:Drop Blood on Santa's Claw and replace it with The One Doctor. CobiWann posted:If you want depressing to kinda cheerful, Death in Blackpool + Relative Dimensions. Hm, I don't remember the Blood on Santa's Claw anthology but I did see it was Christmas related. Maybe I have already listened, may have to try it anyway. But The One Doctor is a great pick. It's one of my regular comfort "go-to's" (Kingmaker is #1 I think). My favorite part of that one may be the robots building the Ikea stuff. That still gets me every listen. My brain isn't working quite well enough yet today but I'm digging through to find any other christmas related stuff.
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Spare Parts is a christmas episode
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Spare Parts is a christmas episode oh god it is isn't it
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Christmas just wouldn't be Christmas without your replacement limbs, Doctorman Allen
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Apparently two more lost episodes have been confirmed! Except they're in the hands of a private collector who refuses to let anyone see them. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/11/lost-doctor-who-episodes-found-owner-reluctant-to-hand-them-to-bbc Sounds like one of the episodes is part of The Dalek's Master Plan, too...
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Random Stranger posted:Apparently two more lost episodes have been confirmed! Except they're in the hands of a private collector who refuses to let anyone see them. There's already an amnesty on any lost footage handed over so there's some bullshit going on here.
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The articles main source is apparently saying he was misrepresented. https://twitter.com/drwhopodcasters/status/1723388160866943358
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watching Cold Blood and do they ever bring up the notion of a prophecy or legend or whatever to make people "ready to share" the planet again? I remember a recurring silurian character but can't remember if they revisited that 1,000 years later deal, or the two characters in hibernation w the rest of lizardland. and most future earths I remember didn't seem to have a shared planet one way or the other.
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If we're talking terrible Christmas stories, Flip Flop is right there.
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Khanstant posted:watching Cold Blood and do they ever bring up the notion of a prophecy or legend or whatever to make people "ready to share" the planet again? I remember a recurring character of the species but can't remember if they revisited that 1,000 years later deal. and most future earths I remember didn't seem to have a shared planet one way or the other. It's never mentioned again, and the recurring Silurian lives in the 19th century so she happened before the events of Cold Blood.
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Khanstant posted:watching Cold Blood and do they ever bring up the notion of a prophecy or legend or whatever to make people "ready to share" the planet again? I remember a recurring character of the species but can't remember if they revisited that 1,000 years later deal. and most future earths I remember didn't seem to have a shared planet one way or the other. The NAs did, but pretty much everything else ignored this element of continuity. There's a classic Who episode that plays around with this slightly (Warriors of the Deep) but it mostly suggests that Earth Reptiles emerged and started a new cold war. Cold Blood is such a garbage two parter though lmao. The doctor praises a child vivisectionist and offers to move the Reptile colony to the middle of the Outback because apparently it's abandoned, lmfao, gently caress you Chibnall/Moffat how about they go live in Slough instead.
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Fil5000 posted:There's already an amnesty on any lost footage handed over so there's some bullshit going on here. Also, surely there is a statute of limitations on petty theft from 40 years ago. The article mentions some guy being arrested for video piracy, but that was in the 1970s, nobody's being spooked by that now.
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Open Source Idiom posted:The NAs did, but pretty much everything else ignored this element of continuity. There's a classic Who episode that plays around with this slightly (Warriors of the Deep) but it mostly suggests that Earth Reptiles emerged and started a new cold war. Haha that negotiation was so bad. Even after that bit "well what benefit does it bring us anyway." Darkly british as gently caress but the show doesn't even seem to blink about it or notice, everyone's more mad at mom for killing alarya. And you know at some point they're going to reveal the doctor was born in the UK which will explain things like his "solution" of "just let us keep the place for 1,000 years and then check if we're bored of it yet." Lol oh yeah the end too where Rory is casually erased from existence. Really annoyed me too when Amy is like don't reach in there and the doctor does "why not?" And then a minute later Rory is being light tentacled and he completely abandons him over it. So just totally confident sticking your hand in there can be fine even thought it's exactly where the existence erasers hang out... Come on y'all, a million better ways to reveal TARDIS debris is in there just have it burp some out lol Khanstant fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Nov 11, 2023 |
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