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What was the lowest point of the Simpson
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Hrist
Feb 21, 2011


Lipstick Apathy

laserghost posted:

Lisa records Homer strangling Bart and uploads it to TickTock or w/e is rhe bland name for the app. The video becomes a viral hit, on one hand starting a media discussion about domestic violence, on the other it attracts the kind of crowd who watch bum fights or stalk mentally ill people to harass them into public outbursts. Homer and Bart are into this for the ad revenue but when Marge decides it's enough, they fake Bart's death and wait one day for public to lose interest for next viral thrill, it being Comic's guy making terrible "wholesome" videos

The subplot is Milhouse dad admitting he was part of Jackass crew in the 00's

There will be many youtube videos about how this is them acknowledging "dead Bart" creepypastas are a real thing.

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16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

my name is Kirk Van Houten and this is borrowing a feeling (jackass music plays)

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

my name is Kirk Van Houten and this is borrowing a feeling (jackass music plays)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEP1zrDBYcA

emgeejay
Dec 8, 2007

https://twitter.com/dailysimpsons/status/1722678935060897926?s=46&t=m6fGiglUP1-mz5m0sRqpiw

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



You Are A Werewolf posted:

Yeah, I know I just made an effort-post stating I hate seeing animals hurt in The Simpsons, but there's this drat mountain goat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsiAUjlU4RY

Nobody intentionally harmed it.

The Simpsons used to be so loving good. The animation on the legs wildly spinning, then the first couple of impacts, then cut to the Simpsons reacting to the sounds at just the perfect time. It's obvious they spent ages getting the pace JUST right.

And I definitely agree that something like this is a funny joke, but that loving bit with the cat (I watched it just to make sure I accurately knew what was going on) is not a joke. It's just a man violently beating a distressed animal to death in a way that isn't cartoonish, silly or funny at all.

E: I think this is one of those pornography type things where I can't exactly draw a line on what is funny violence towards children or animals and what just feels like cruel abuse, but you definitely know the difference when you see it. Homer choking Bart is still on the funny side because it's insanely cartoonish and exaggerated (that being said, I am glad they stopped doing it), but it wouldn't be funny if Bart was crying and begging for Homer to stop.

Some of the stuff on American Dad gets uncomfortably close to the line, but most of it is still cartoonish enough to be funny. I think there's been a couple of times where they went a bit over but even then they usually redeem it by going back over to the cartoonish side. This was just poo poo.

Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Nov 10, 2023

Keromaru5
Dec 28, 2012

Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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So when I imagine Homer trying to hammer down an animal that's struggling to get out after he's swallowed it whole, I imagine a game of whack-a-mole where maybe the cat dodges for a minute. And it sounds like that wasn't their first, most obvious idea?

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica
Barbara Bush was right

Plant MONSTER.
Mar 16, 2018



I was watching simpsons at 0.75 without knowing until a scene where homer and bart were getting back massages at a hotel and the noises they were making were super drawn out like a youtube poop
I have swallowed a cat in real life and its face is always popping out from of my belly and meowing

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004


Is that hard to trace an old scene? They didn't even get the colours right on the computer

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Plant MONSTER. posted:

I have swallowed a cat in real life and its face is always popping out from of my belly and meowing

Was this per-chance in the middle of a series of unfortunate events happening to you that was all started off with you swallowing a fly?

If so relatable.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

Keromaru5 posted:

So when I imagine Homer trying to hammer down an animal that's struggling to get out after he's swallowed it whole, I imagine a game of whack-a-mole where maybe the cat dodges for a minute. And it sounds like that wasn't their first, most obvious idea?

Woulda been funny if he tried to smack the cat and yelled in pain as he's hitting himself with the frying pan.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Alan_Shore posted:

Is that hard to trace an old scene? They didn't even get the colours right on the computer

Watched through most of that segment, odd to see lack of respect for audience by revealing Maggie as the guard by having her use a pacifier. Would have had no clue otherwise.

Odd watching season 2 eps that had far more respect for fans, just making quick literary references without apology. Grandpa quotes Rudyard Kipling, Martin has contempt for Ray Bradbury, so good.

Unrelated but rewatching the first Herb Powell episode, Herb is 100% in the wrong & shouldn’t have blamed Homer. Homer & family are invited guests & Herb is thrilled to have them & most of the extravagance is his doing. Homer isn’t asking for money or a job, and tries to reject the idea of designing a car but Herb pressures him into it then ignores every red flag & doesn’t even look at it prior to unveiling. His decision to track down Homer and punch him was a rare case of Homer not being at fault.

Keromaru5
Dec 28, 2012

Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Odd watching season 2 eps that had far more respect for fans, just making quick literary references without apology. Grandpa quotes Rudyard Kipling, Martin has contempt for Ray Bradbury, so good.
Not to mention a Treehouse of Horror segment introducing an entire generation of children to Edgar Allan Poe.

The Season 2 episode I think about the most is oddly enough "Simpson and Delilah." It's much more dramatic and sentimental in tone, and light on gags compared to other episodes. Its biggest joke is arguably just the central theme: being taken more seriously purely because you have a full head of hair.

Also, this dissolve:

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Unrelated but rewatching the first Herb Powell episode, Herb is 100% in the wrong & shouldn’t have blamed Homer. Homer & family are invited guests & Herb is thrilled to have them & most of the extravagance is his doing. Homer isn’t asking for money or a job, and tries to reject the idea of designing a car but Herb pressures him into it then ignores every red flag & doesn’t even look at it prior to unveiling. His decision to track down Homer and punch him was a rare case of Homer not being at fault.

This is how I interpreted it too. Herb was dumb to try and get Homer to design a car. He was doubly stupid for making them do it without oversight. Even as a kid I thought it was dumb.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The whole Powell Motors ep is a fun one given the whole point is that Homer tends not to actually solve problems in a situation he's added to, and Herb is oddly enough blinded by sentimentality and also thinking he's in the wrong genre, with a 'crazy enough to work' plan rather than something more practical. Maybe some of Homer's opinions and experiences might be useful data for why their cars aren't selling, but that's what actual market research is for. He doesn't recognise any of the real problems that he, the board and the engineers all hate each other and can't communicate, and have no idea what their customers want or need. The Homer was just the final nail in the coffin of a company well in its death spiral.

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

herb is elon musk

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Keromaru5 posted:

Not to mention a Treehouse of Horror segment introducing an entire generation of children to Edgar Allan Poe.

The Season 2 episode I think about the most is oddly enough "Simpson and Delilah." It's much more dramatic and sentimental in tone, and light on gags compared to other episodes. Its biggest joke is arguably just the central theme: being taken more seriously purely because you have a full head of hair.

Also, this dissolve:


God, in S1 Homer was negotiating with Burns over plant safety and their tete-a-tete at the end, where Homer commits to giving up the job and raise just because of his principles

Just a completely different character. A completely different show

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

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Keromaru5 posted:

Not to mention a Treehouse of Horror segment introducing an entire generation of children to Edgar Allan Poe.

The Season 2 episode I think about the most is oddly enough "Simpson and Delilah." It's much more dramatic and sentimental in tone, and light on gags compared to other episodes. Its biggest joke is arguably just the central theme: being taken more seriously purely because you have a full head of hair.

Also, this dissolve:


man there are some really, really wonderful moments in golden era simpsons animation

You Are A Werewolf
Apr 26, 2010

Black Gold!

That is a hella dope dissolve.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Herb had some kind of confirmation bias after seemingly climbing his way up from nothing, and then his company had to be already teetering on the edge for one bad concept car to sink the whole thing. Then his baby translator seems like probably a scam to me.

Wouldn't mind him showing up again, Danny DeVito's great, and the Simpsons could probably use some more side characters to play with.

SweetMercifulCrap!
Jan 28, 2012
Lipstick Apathy
Homer's car would have probably been okay if they hadn't gone for a literal copy of the childlike drawing he made.

Greg12
Apr 22, 2020
Let me ask you a question.

Why would men whose shirts all say "Car Company Executive At Work" spend all their time watching a children's cartoon show?

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The whole Powell Motors ep is a fun one given the whole point is that Homer tends not to actually solve problems in a situation he's added to, and Herb is oddly enough blinded by sentimentality and also thinking he's in the wrong genre, with a 'crazy enough to work' plan rather than something more practical. Maybe some of Homer's opinions and experiences might be useful data for why their cars aren't selling, but that's what actual market research is for. He doesn't recognise any of the real problems that he, the board and the engineers all hate each other and can't communicate, and have no idea what their customers want or need. The Homer was just the final nail in the coffin of a company well in its death spiral.

Hmm good points, although I think Lisa summed it up that Herb got stupid the moment he was informed he was a Simpson. Great ep but seems to have odd timeline like the Simpsons were visiting Herb for months, as there is sufficient time for Herb to hire Homer, the design team to prototype cars, then to actually build the Homer, then for a Japanese company to acquire Powell Motors & for Herb to go bankrupt. I guess Herb & his company had massive debt & were borderline anyway, like you said.

Side note it was a delight that Hit & Run included the Homer as a driveable car, including the horn.

You Are A Werewolf
Apr 26, 2010

Black Gold!

I have soiled myself.

How embarrassing.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Hmm good points, although I think Lisa summed it up that Herb got stupid the moment he was informed he was a Simpson. Great ep but seems to have odd timeline like the Simpsons were visiting Herb for months, as there is sufficient time for Herb to hire Homer, the design team to prototype cars, then to actually build the Homer, then for a Japanese company to acquire Powell Motors & for Herb to go bankrupt. I guess Herb & his company had massive debt & were borderline anyway, like you said.

Side note it was a delight that Hit & Run included the Homer as a driveable car, including the horn.

Hit & Run also has the Canyonero!

The episode probably makes a lot more sense considering Powell Motors was representative of the 90s US car industry, which was infamously moribund for reasons that were obvious to everyone except apparently themselves, getting their market share devoured by Japanese competitors making cars people actually wanted to buy at reasonable prices while 'American car' was synonymous with 'overpriced garbage'. There's even a mention about how little actual steel is in one of their latest models, and the car names are obscure mythology references no one gets. The Homer ironically seems to be better build quality than most of their cars even if it's an ugly, expensive disaster. (Of course, presumably Homer is driving home the prototype or one of the first-run models)

Also kinda funny given at least a few of the Homer's features are now pretty standard in modern cars, and if anything it's probably better than the literal Abrams tanks that are the only things American companies want to make now.

robot roll call
Mar 7, 2006

dance dance dance dance dance to the radio


the first episode with Herb has one of my favorite jokes on the entire show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHzypHJUMMo

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

laserghost posted:

The subplot is Milhouse dad admitting he was part of Jackass crew in the 00's

uuuuh I'm Kirk Van Houten, and this is car-borne sandwich slicing

Tarkus posted:

This is how I interpreted it too. Herb was dumb to try and get Homer to design a car. He was doubly stupid for making them do it without oversight. Even as a kid I thought it was dumb.

the Elon Musk episode should have been a remake of the Herb episode, except instead of The Homer it's just the regular Cybertruck

Trilly Joel
Apr 27, 2023


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Simpsons and Delilah was pretty bad

Junk
Dec 20, 2003

Listen to reason, man. Why make your job difficult?

Trilly Joel posted:

Simpsons and Delilah was pretty bad

my mother told me never to kiss a fool!

(doesn't kiss you)

Halisnacks
Jul 18, 2009
This is more of a general Simpsons question than a “lowest point” discussion, but do they ever explain why Marge’s mom, who presumably lives in Springfield, is such a marginal part of the family’s life?

I guess they get all of the “old people jokes” mileage they need out of Abe, Burns, and I guess Skinner’s mother, but on the rare occasions she popped up I would wonder why she was otherwise so absent.

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Halisnacks posted:

This is more of a general Simpsons question than a “lowest point” discussion, but do they ever explain why Marge’s mom, who presumably lives in Springfield, is such a marginal part of the family’s life?

I guess they get all of the “old people jokes” mileage they need out of Abe, Burns, and I guess Skinner’s mother, but on the rare occasions she popped up I would wonder why she was otherwise so absent.

My guess is that voice was too stressful on Julie Kavner to have her on the show more often. When was the last time she was on the show? It’s painful to even imagine her trying to do that voice now.

FireWorksWell
Nov 27, 2014

Let's go do some hero shit!


Halisnacks posted:

I guess they get all of the “old people jokes” mileage they need out of Abe, Burns, and I guess Skinner’s mother, but on the rare occasions she popped up I would wonder why she was otherwise so absent.

Maybe Kavner thought doing that voice too much would gently caress with her throat or something

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

I thought Marge's mom barely talks even when she does show up though. I think she's just older than Abe and in much worse shape and less active than either him or Mr. Burns, and also isn't really emotionally close to Marge or the family in the first place anyways. She's a lot like Patty and Selma in her general apathy and antipathy.

I think the last time she showed up was the fantasy episode where she just wanted to loving die.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

FireWorksWell posted:

Maybe Kavner thought doing that voice too much would gently caress with her throat or something

One of the reasons she doesn't show up is Kavner didn't want to do the voice much, yeah.


SlothfulCobra posted:

I thought Marge's mom barely talks even when she does show up though. I think she's just older than Abe and in much worse shape and less active than either him or Mr. Burns, and also isn't really emotionally close to Marge or the family in the first place anyways. She's a lot like Patty and Selma in her general apathy and antipathy.

I think the last time she showed up was the fantasy episode where she just wanted to loving die.

Also yeah, there's a lot of implications Marge is really not close to her family, and Patty and Selma basically only treat her amicably because they have Homer to bully.

hatty posted:

Marge has a wild family, her brother was taken down by 75 US Marshals one gray December morn and her dad was a trendsetting male steward!

It's kinda disturbing how much that explains.

I'm reminded of how one episode of a podcast where a couple various watch Golden Girls and Dragon Ball Z has the wife surprised to see this loving huge dude with a goofy voice in Goku and Chi-Chi's house, be told he's her dad, and she immediately says 'That explains so much.'

Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Nov 12, 2023

hatty
Feb 28, 2011

Pork Pro
Marge has a wild family, her brother was taken down by 75 US Marshals one gray December morn and her dad was a trendsetting male steward!

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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It was funny how whenever her mom showed up in early seasons they literally made her say "I have laryngitis, it hurts to talk"

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

On a more meta level there's also probably not a lot of stories you could tell with Grandma Bouvier that couldn't be told just as well with either Abe or Patty/Selma, all of whom are more established characters that viewers care about more. She doesn't really have much in the way of personality traits to work with either, although I guess that's a chicken/egg kind of situation.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

She's also super mean to Marge and Homer in the first pregnancy flashback episode episode.

You Are A Werewolf
Apr 26, 2010

Black Gold!

Cocaine Bear posted:

She's also super mean to Marge and Homer in the first pregnancy flashback episode episode.



And this was in the year 1980. I'm presuming Homer and Marge were in college in the 2000s by now?

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Halisnacks
Jul 18, 2009

Cocaine Bear posted:

She's also super mean to Marge and Homer in the first pregnancy flashback episode episode.



I never realised that she was quite so old even when Marge and Homer were canonically in their mid-20s.

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