SKULL.GIF posted:

There's tons of posting right now on the greater internet whipping up people into a panic that they're in urgent and immediate danger and the only solution is moving to Israel. It's quite surprising seeing it basically everywhere.

Lord of Pie posted:

Deciding to move to Israel at this exact moment is some Darwin award poo poo

Dixon Chisholm posted:

children ftmfw

Israel posted:

Children ftmfl

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

How the heck is Israel supposed to look like a safe haven right now?

Israel posted:

💣

RNN posted:

9:00 PM of Al-Bahaa.
Almost every day in the last 37 days, missiles bombard "Tel Aviv," occupied Asqalan, Asdod, and other settlements in the zionist depth at exactly 9:00 PM.

This is not without reason. 9:00 PM is a tribute to martyred Saraya Al-Quds leader Bahaa Abu Al-Atta, Abu Saleem, who turned 9:00 PM sharp into a time of horror for zionist settlers. In his storied career of resistance, he commanded the launch of rockets at exactly 9:00 PM as part of the blood-for-blood policy imposed by the resistance. If Palestine was attacked, the zionists knew what to expect at 9:00, and who the response came from, without even an announcement. Netanyahu's election rallied were targeted twice at 9:00 PM as well.

Abu Saleem oversaw a number of significant resistance operations against the zionist entity; his existence was a threat to the temporary entity because he strengthened the resistance all over Palestine, such as with the inception of resistance cells in the West Bank in the 2010s. He was a brave and beloved leader.

On this day four years ago, Bahaa and his wife ascended in a targeted assassination in their home. Not even half an hour passed before PIJ declared the Battle of the Cry of Dawn; "Tel Aviv" was targeted with no less than 450 missiles and a new generation of PIJ's Buraq and Fajr missiles showed their force.

Today, Palestinians eagerly await the ninth hour, standing on their rooftops ready to film the barrages of Palestinian-made rockets launched in honor of the blood of our martyrs, hitting targets in now-occupied Palestinian lands. Ululations and "Allahu Akbar" merge with the sounds of rockets firing. Bahaa's comrades complete his path, continuing the response of the ninth hour, reaffirming the march towards victory.

9:00 PM represents steadfastness, splendor, and determination.
It is a time of pride, dignity, resistance, and honor.

Glory to our commanding martyr.
Glory to 9:00 PM of Al-Bahaa.

Sancho Banana posted:

Israel posted:

children? open fire

Frosted Flake posted:

I will say, since I poo poo post about friendly fire incidents, the ANA shooting detainees while we took a smoke break and poo poo, and since yesterday was Remembrance Day and I went to the Regimental memorial and then drank in the mess, that it does seem to be how soldiers remember things. You half remember them, and joke about them, because you can't sit with, let alone talk about, the full gravity of all of these situations. So, the documentary part of the film, that almost certainly is how IDF guys talk about their experiences in Lebanon, and I don't think it's unique to the IDF.

On the other hand, does a documentary have a duty to go beyond the subjects' remembrances and attempt to place them in context? This is a problem with oral history, because for example, taking Wehrmacht veterans at face value led to the Clean Wehrmacht mythology of West Germany. When you put their accounts in context, things can change. So a German soldier talking that "that funny guy Schmidt who was always getting into antics when we were in Russia. I remember him running around chasing chickens in the hamlets and looking for hidden valuables in peasants' huts. He was hilarious. One day a partisan killed him, and we were very sad".

That's half an account. You can only really understand what happened if you, the historian, provide the context that the killing of this particular German soldier led to the burning of a village in retaliation, or that his funny antics were an allusion to widespread looting and pillaging. That's not how his kameraden are going to tell that story. If you animated a sequence of someone comically running around after hens, you are not depicting the full reality of the invasion of Russia, but how soldiers prefer to remember, and/or talk about it.

I don't know, the "shoot and cry" phenomenon is mentioned on books on war films as a genre, and seems to be the result of liberal societies and not so much a rejection of war or militarism, but just making war films for a post 1960's audience. They serve the same purpose as the All-Star Hollywood spectaculars of the 50's and 60's, they just have a slightly different tone. I don't know if I'm explaining this last bit well, I'm not a film guy. They're still war movies in liberal societies, and so the criticism of war only extends to how individual soldiers are effected, not the war or state itself.

Ramie posted:

On the other hand, I saw an IT-department army reservist telling people that Israel is the most war-torn country in the world, which is why she committed to that career at age 19. Gotta lead the charge on the crusade of our times, after all!

I feel like it's a safe assumption that people will be taught and believe whichever worldview is conductive to having a deep manpower pool

ContinuityNewTimes posted:

Eating poo poo the same time, every day

soscannonballs posted:

i think it would be really really funny if somehow it turns out israel had something to do with 9/11. they have just hosed up so massively with pr for the past month it would be comical if it wasnt so disgusting

soscannonballs posted:

i think it would be really really funny if somehow it turns out israel had something to do with 9/11. they have just hosed up so massively with pr for the past month it would be comical if it wasnt so disgusting

Lpzie posted:

NETANYAHU IS HITLER 2

Desiderata posted:

I remember watching and liking Waltz with Bashir, finding it a good exploration of suppressed memory, and the way it builds up to the massacre the end such a gut punch, and really powerful.

But watching those clips right now in this context, it's clear that what the film actually shows is hours of the IDF "goofing up" in all the damage they cause, including to one another, all the horror is played for dark laughs, with cheap references to cool hollywood action movie scenes, and 'oh poor us' innocents at war. As much as this mirrors the protagonist-documentarians experience of making the film, the memories of the war being uncovered, comedy giving way to tragedy: the end result is a few hours of "isn't life tough in the IDF" followed by, oh and there was this one terrible massacre (done by others). It really is just "shooting and crying", and belated realisation that you engaged in a war crime, isn't absolved by spending an solid hour of film talking about how bad things were for your buddies, before your final limited confession.

Like Ken Burn's Vietnam - it tells important parts of the story previously undertold, it tells things that people should hear. But it also because of who it was made by, because of the audience it was made for, it still can't bring itself to tell the full truth of the pointless horror committed were not "begun in good faith", but cold, calculated, uncaring. In the end withdraws to a liberal "mistakes were made", but ultimately the lessons will never be learned, oh well. It's still not the truth, just all the truth a reactionary audience can hear right now, even decades later. But it still doesn't truly let it's victims speak on par with the perpetrators, it can't, because that is not it's purpose.

I wonder what award winning documentaries will be made in 20 years time, revealing a smoothed off 50% blurred version of the current horrors as if they are insightful journalism, about the events, the lies, the cruelty, the backroom bargaining over massdeath, we in this thread already know are happening right now. One of the strangest things I find as I am getting older is having the past that I remember and lived through massaged into more palatable shapes for consumption today. Being told "this is what people thought in 2001" and remembering for a fact, that no, not everyone thought like that, all these facts were there at the time. Those weren't regrettable mistakes viewable in 20/20 hindsight, but active malignant decisions with the likely consequences and vital information available as they were taken to any member of the public if one cared to look. But now I get told, "we didn't know better back then", the past gets to be an eternal series of mistakes, with the meaningless admonishment that we should learn from them, but at the very same time we are told over and over again: the choices in the present are not allowed to be choices at all.

Frosted Flake posted:

look up the Mossad Art Student ring.

Phigs posted:

Genuine question, not trying to justify attacking someone for wearing a Star of David, but is it even common for non-Zionist Jews to wear the Star of David? I thought it was basically equivalent to the Jesus Fish where it's technically a religious symbol but typically only people of a certain political persuasion would actually go around displaying it these days.

Again, even if it is mostly worn by Zionists that's no reason to go hating on someone who just happens to wear it.

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In the 19th century, it came to be adopted by European Jews as a symbol to represent Jewish religion or identity in the same manner the Christian cross identified that religion's believers.[2][12] The symbol became representative of the worldwide Zionist community after it was chosen as the central symbol on a flag at the First Zionist Congress in 1897, due to its usage in some Jewish communities and its lack of specifically religious connotations.[3][13] It was not considered an exclusively Jewish symbol until after it began to be used on the gravestones of fallen Jewish soldiers in World War I.[5]

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/zarandillo/status/1654028136093216769

quote:

America Is A Gun

England is a cup of tea.
France, a wheel of ripened brie.
Greece, a short, squat olive tree.
America is a gun.

Brazil is football on the sand.
Argentina, Maradona's hand.
Germany, an oompah band.
America is a gun.

Holland is a wooden shoe.
Hungary, a goulash stew.
Australia, a kangaroo.
America is a gun.

Japan is a thermal spring.
Scotland is a highland fling.
Oh, better to be anything
than America as a gun.

Brian Bilston

Pookah posted:

Al-Saqr posted:

Huh turns out doing 9-11 makes you one of the good guys now who'd have thunk it!

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Funny thing with the Star of David is that is was not a Jewish symbol of any great antiquity at all. It was originally just a magical sigil popularised in Early Modern Europe, and one of the reasons it became to symbolise Judaism as a whole was that it was adopted by the early Zionist movement. Noone in ancient Judea would have recognised the symbol.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David

Mister Bates posted:

settlers have been fleeing Israel in droves and they're also looking at a massive shortfall of Palestinian labor (upon which the Israeli economy depends), so Israel needs as many people as possible coming back to the country as quickly as possible

mila kunis posted:

India will supply labour shortage, full support sir.

quote:

I don't need help from a black guy, thanks

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/drelidavid/status/1723429499109339621?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

they really love depicting Israel as an elf in these cartoons.

R. Mute posted:

a gun shooting a burger, mayhaps?