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Grim is my least-played ARPG in my library by a significant margin  But I did reinstall after that announcement. What's a cool build to play
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Deakul posted:How is build optimization poor game design lol I don't know if it applies to your case, but it's been a thing since Sid Meier was quoted saying players will optimize the fun out of a game if given the chance.
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tensai posted:I've played through the game twice. I consider SC2 the best game ever and I think you hit the nail on the head for Origins. It's the exact same as the original, but somehow doesn't feel as good. I got a ship mod that autocombats and skip that section of the game. The resource gathering isn't fun, but is a "play while working or not really paying attention" activity. Stardock writing is just not good.
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Volte posted:I beat GD several times and had fun with multiple skills and at no point did I feel obligated or even aware that you could beat the entire game by spamming a single skill. If an arpg doesn't have a basic fireball mage I'm not gonna play it. My favourite gimmick run was as far as I could get through Veteran then Elite with just the level 20 Greater Fireball mod and as many fire buffs/constellations as necessary to keep it viable.
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Nov 12, 2023 21:05
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sebmojo posted:Stardock writing is just not good. It's not surprising they're outsourcing things to AI these days: https://www.galciv4.com/article/518406/galciv-iv-supernova-dev-journal-13---aliengpt
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I like pet builds in grim dawn, they're some of the strongest builds and also good pet builds in modern arpgs are rare, like d4 doesnt even have a good necromancer pet build that can do endgame, it's dumb
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Nov 12, 2023 21:45
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explosivo posted:It's real good! Does it have any interesting gimmicks or a proper gameplay loop? There's been hundreds of these in the wake of Banished, and they are all disappointing, barebones, repetitive. Even Banished barely gets a passing grade from me, I need more motivation. My golden standard has always been Pharaoh and company. Being from a more experienced company maybe they hit the mark?
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Grim Dawn allows silly one skill gimmick builds as well as more interactive ones. I really enjoyed playing a melee necromancer/soldier who could also cast aoe life drain and summoned fat zombies that exploded. It was like a homing corpse explosion. He also had a life draining teleport and a relic ability to shoot out a life drain blast. It was pretty neat. I also made a lady who only cast magic missiles, each of which exploded into more magic missiles. She equipped a bunch of gear that has a chance to fart out even more magic missiles when she hits something with a magic missile  Anyways Last Epoch looks neat, I hope it gets out of EA soon
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Nov 12, 2023 22:14
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1.0 is scheduled for 21st of Feb
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Hwurmp posted:real pros kill everything with half-presses that is why the minigun is the most pro weapon
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a7m2 posted:Accidentally clicked join so I had to quickly download and beat Bad Rats to avoid looking like an idiot.
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mystes posted:I'm not visually impaired and not only do I find it impossible to see where you can actually walk in dungeons without opening the map (probably worse than in Diablo 2/3?) I actually had to lower the graphics settings to have any loving clue what was going on on the screen Same here. I wanted to like the game but that really put me off.
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a7m2 posted:Accidentally clicked join so I had to quickly download and beat Bad Rats to avoid looking like an idiot. I'm nostalgic for the days when a weird and crappy game being on Steam was enough of a novelty to create a meme.
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I was fun how every new release was carefully assessed and at least one person in the thread bought and tried it to give a review. e. https://steamdb.info/stats/releases/
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Fruits of the sea posted:Anyways Last Epoch looks neat, I hope it gets out of EA soon They posted a roadmap pretty recently, I want to say they're targeting March-ish for the 1.0 launch edit; February-ish:  but I'm wary of roadmaps that are multiple months out for a studio that does not have an established record of releasing content, so I expect delays personally.
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Owl Inspector posted:I got a lot of value out of grim dawn but it definitely got pretty dull on the second playthrough difficulty as the game basically expected you to stack one damage type as high as you possibly could and invest everything you could in whichever skill you wanted to use as your primary, other than investments in survivability. the gameplay's pretty brainless so when number starts going up slower and slower on that second difficulty (levelups eventually give fewer skill points, there are fewer constellations to get, and you'll find improvements to your gear less frequently) I was only able to get characters through the first playthrough before losing interest. So its dual class system looks like it gives you tons of options, but you actually just choose your second class based on whichever one will improve your one big skill the most. Adding a dash and cutting down on loot spew sound like really good changes. Yes, this was the sort of thing I was talking about. I guess also to be clear, my actual experience was starting a character, quickly growing frustrated with parts of the UI and the murky maps, then picking skills that ended up feeling like poo poo to use. Then I looked up how I was "supposed to" play my class combo and it turned out the #1 build was spamming one skill and stacking that damage type. So the combo of unoptimized choices feeling terrible and optimized ones looking dreadfully dull. But also I've notoriously failed to "get" ARPGs outside of liking D3 with caveats. Vampire Survivor style games are much more my speed.
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Got to level 13 on a Druid in GD and am pretty bored. It's just like everything's a Basic Attack Replacement and I have a Summon who crushes things. Weee. Putting points into a Class Mastery is hella dumb. Just give me skills I actually want to use.
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The biggest problem with the TQ/GD model of ARPG is that your power builds up very slowly. For the first 30 levels or so all you're really doing is boosting up the passive stat increases for your chosen skill trees with a 1-pointer here and there to unlock the next bonus instead of actively doing anything. It's fun when everything finally starts to come together and all the interlocking synergies of your build start to emerge but the power diffusal is excruciatingly slow early on.
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Sab669 posted:Got to level 13 on a Druid in GD and am pretty bored. It's just like everything's a Basic Attack Replacement and I have a Summon who crushes things. Weee. Early levels are kinda balls for that combo but in the third act there's a relatively common drop that converts all damage for Callidor's Tempest to lightning. Combine that with Wind Devil and Storm Totem and you can run around constantly pulsing lightning, firing electro tornadoes and dropping tesla coils. E: also put a point in the modifier that turns Callidor’s into an explosion to totally avoid auto attacks. You can always put some spare points into savagery if you still want to left click sometimes. Which makes this a fair criticism: exquisite tea posted:The biggest problem with the TQ/GD model of ARPG is that your power builds up very slowly. For the first 30 levels or so all you're really doing is boosting up the passive stat increases for your chosen skill trees with a 1-pointer here and there to unlock the next bonus instead of actively doing anything. It's fun when everything finally starts to come together and all the interlocking synergies of your build start to emerge but the power diffusal is excruciatingly slow early on. Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Nov 13, 2023 |
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Echoing much of the sentiment for Grim Dawn here: I like it, but for all the attempts I've tried to play it previously, I've never gotten that far before getting bored due to a combination of the dark muddy world and skills that seem to trend towards a lot of passives or basic attack replacements that you go all-in on. Still, with this new patch, maybe I'll give it yet another go, try out a new class or something! Maybe I should turn down the difficulty from Veteran so I can just use whatever dumb build I want. Or I should just play the new hotness Last Epoch or embrace Survivors-likes as the new distilled ARPG.
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FutureCop posted:Echoing much of the sentiment for Grim Dawn here: I like it, but for all the attempts I've tried to play it previously, I've never gotten that far before getting bored due to a combination of the dark muddy world and skills that seem to trend towards a lot of passives or basic attack replacements that you go all-in on. Still, with this new patch, maybe I'll give it yet another go, try out a new class or something! Maybe I should turn down the difficulty from Veteran so I can just use whatever dumb build I want. Or I should just play the new hotness Last Epoch or embrace Survivors-likes as the new distilled ARPG. Yeah, pretty much this. In fact, I think I made this exact post on it months ago, but hope springs eternal. Maybe we need some kind of "getting into Grim Dawn, but for real this time" support group.
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Jossar posted:Yeah, pretty much this. In fact, I think I made this exact post on it months ago, but hope springs eternal. Maybe we need some kind of "getting into Grim Dawn, but for real this time" support group. Maybe but there are thousands of other games out there to play. Its ok to bounce off some even if people think they are really good.
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Can anyone help me understand the Yakuza series now? I liked the series itself but I loved Like A Dragon. Now two new Like a Dragons came out and apparently they're brawlers like Yakuza? Are there no more of the turn based games planned anymore and they just grabbed the Like a Dragon title or something?
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IIRC mainline titles going forward are supposed to be turn-based JRPGs, while side games are going to be whatever the team wants, but probably mostly brawlers. LAD 8 is still going to be a JRPG when it comes out AFAIK.
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Barreft posted:Can anyone help me understand the Yakuza series now? I liked the series itself but I loved Like A Dragon. Now two new Like a Dragons came out and apparently they're brawlers like Yakuza? Next one, January https://store.steampowered.com/app/2072450/Like_a_Dragon_Infinite_Wealth/
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Barreft posted:Can anyone help me understand the Yakuza series now? I liked the series itself but I loved Like A Dragon. Now two new Like a Dragons came out and apparently they're brawlers like Yakuza? Basically: the series was always Ryu ga Gotoku (Way of the Dragon/Like a Dragon) in Japanese, but when the series was localized for the PS2 the name was changed to Yakuza. They've been gradually trying to change the name of the series back, but it's confusing if you aren't following the release order of the games. RGG 7 = Yakuza: Like a Dragon RGG Gaiden = Like a Dragon: Gaiden (New game, sort of midquel that takes place during the beginning of 7) RGG Ishin = Like a Dragon: Ishin (A rerelease of a spinoff that was previously JPN only on the PS4. Basically Yakuza 0/Yakuza 5 but with Samurai.) The upcoming main game, RGG 8, is Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth and will be turn based like RGG 7/LAD was. mycot fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Nov 13, 2023 |
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Attack on Princess posted:I don't know if it applies to your case, but it's been a thing since Sid Meier was quoted saying players will optimize the fun out of a game if given the chance. I’m playing a non-optimal build in D4 right now. Mr. Meier must be spinning in his future grave
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Going through my library, I saw another couple of games about to release into EA or hit 1.0 in the next few days: Open World RPG Jianghu/Wuxia game Hero's Adventure:Road to Passion releases into 1.0 on November 16th. The big difference between this and other relatively recent games in the genre like Wandering Sword or (to a lesser extent) Tale of Wuxia and its remake is that it's claiming to commit more to the freedom to define your story in any one particular playthrough. 1.0 adds a bunch more stuff including better defined survival elements and less wuxiagame jank (locking off stuff behind random events, having to roll 50 billion times to get a particular set of starting stats/traits). English patch remains serviceable, if occasionally rough.  Color block puzzle Pygmalion will be releasing into Early Access on November 24th. I reviewed it back during the June NextFest and it seemed pretty fun for its sort of thing. Claims at least 480 puzzles so far.
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If you didn't notice, What the Golf? just got a pretty substantial update on PC. The Thanksgiving course is finally accessible again, and it looks like a new mini campaign is out shortly.
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I think I'm done with SCO then. Any fun indie SC2/Starflight/Escape Velocity style games I've missed that released in the last say decade? (I've played all the classics) Talking real time overhead inertia flight space exploration/combat games not just Asteroids style like Nova Drift. I've played Starsector, Endless Sky, SC: O, Star Traders, Starcom Nexus, Transcendence, Heat Signature, Ring Runner, SPAZ, Captain Starshot, Long Journey Home. Star Valor is on my radar waiting for the next sale. Miss anything?
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FuzzySlippers posted:I think I'm done with SCO then. Any fun indie SC2/Starflight/Escape Velocity style games I've missed that released in the last say decade? (I've played all the classics) Talking real time overhead inertia flight space exploration/combat games not just Asteroids style like Nova Drift. 3030 Deathwar Redux, maybe
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FuzzySlippers posted:I think I'm done with SCO then. Any fun indie SC2/Starflight/Escape Velocity style games I've missed that released in the last say decade? (I've played all the classics) Talking real time overhead inertia flight space exploration/combat games not just Asteroids style like Nova Drift. There's a new Starcom but it's still very EA.
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I just got MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries on Steam through Fanatical with birthday coupon for $4.45. I know folks say to player-patch/mod it to fix Allies’ AI to not be pants-on-head, but do I use NexusMods or is all done through Steam’s workshop thingee (which I’ve never used before)? Any certain mods to look for, or spoiler-free tips to someone who has been a BT fan for 40 years, but last ‘Mech jockeying was MW3?
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I just beat Symphony of War and liked it overall. I did lose patience for its lackluster writing by the end. When the epilogue for its cast popped up in the finale, I realized that I simply did not care about a single one. The core gameplay of recruiting and upgrading units and forming them into different squads and taking them into battle was pretty fun, though. If you've played Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy Tactics, or Tactics Ogre, you should probably play on the higher difficulties to keep things challenging. The game recently released its Legends DLC which is a pack of 8 missions, additional units, and artifacts. It contains backstory for some of the characters and world events, but again the writing is the weakest part of the game and struggles with even just making its characters one-note, much less actually interesting or believable. The missions themselves are kind of interesting and mix up the formula with different map challenges. The units and artifacts introduced by the DLC range from mediocre to sidegrades to outright OP. I wouldn't say any of it was actually essential, however. The game has a New Game+ mode with different difficulty settings, so if you feel compelled to play again after beating the base vanilla game, it might be worth it for you.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I think I'm done with SCO then. Any fun indie SC2/Starflight/Escape Velocity style games I've missed that released in the last say decade? (I've played all the classics) Talking real time overhead inertia flight space exploration/combat games not just Asteroids style like Nova Drift. Drox Operative and its sequel
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moot the hopple posted:I just beat Symphony of War and liked it overall. I did lose patience for its lackluster writing by the end. When the epilogue for its cast popped up in the finale, I realized that I simply did not care about a single one. The core gameplay of recruiting and upgrading units and forming them into different squads and taking them into battle was pretty fun, though. If you've played Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy Tactics, or Tactics Ogre, you should probably play on the higher difficulties to keep things challenging. it's good bones, hopefully their writer has improved by the sequel I assume will come
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Hwurmp posted:3030 Deathwar Redux, maybe I owned this and have 15 minutes playtime. I have a feeling it had a tutorial I got bored with, but I'll give it another shot. The Lone Badger posted:Cosmoteer? How EA is Cosmoteer? Haven't felt like dealing with EA issues lately. I hope in the Starcom sequel they add an option to drift around instead of having to hold down thrust. The drifting Asteroids style controls is one of the genre staples which made it feel off to not have. Cheap Trick posted:Drox Operative and its sequel Played the original but forgot about the sequel. Thanks, onto the list! I also didn't notice there was a SPAZ sequel but it looks quite different.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I owned this and have 15 minutes playtime. I have a feeling it had a tutorial I got bored with, but I'll give it another shot. it's not amazing but it does have a really good soundtrack
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FuzzySlippers posted:Played the original but forgot about the sequel. Thanks, onto the list! I also didn't notice there was a SPAZ sequel but it looks quite different. Not a big fan of SPAZ2 myself, seems much 'less' somehow than the original.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I think I'm done with SCO then. Any fun indie SC2/Starflight/Escape Velocity style games I've missed that released in the last say decade? (I've played all the classics) Talking real time overhead inertia flight space exploration/combat games not just Asteroids style like Nova Drift. https://store.steampowered.com/app/214730/Space_Rangers_HD_A_War_Apart/ Also Planet's Edge, get the GOG version: https://www.gog.com/en/game/planets_edge_the_point_of_no_return
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