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Parkingtigers posted:Those comics really are so loving good. Solid, standalone reads, great art and writing, just the gold standard of modern superhero comics. You're right, everyone with even a passing interest in the funny papers needs to give them a try. Feels like I posted about my complaints alot when the show was running and it's been awhile since I've seen it since I never rewatched it but I missed Hawkeye's connection to New York and his apt bldg, didn't like the focus on Kate who is supposed to be 22 but acts like she's 14 along with so much time spent on her frankly goofy parents, and the considerably more childish tone of the show versus the comic, down to the villains who just kept on showing up to beat up. The comics were some groovy, mature, really inventive stuff. Maybe time for a reread.
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Nameless Pete posted:Brad should have been cut and his story arc should have been given to Hunter B-15 so she'd have something go do besides stand around all season. It was a bit disappointing to watch Wunmi Mosaku go underutilized here while she's being so, so badass over on Scavengers Reign. Made watching them together feel uneven. Scavengers Reign is loving phenomenal and everyone should go watch it right now. It's a slow burn that just rolls into something as amazing as it is disturbing.
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I kept on pausing the scene when Loki takes the seat because it was like the panels of the most gorgeously painted comic. Might be the prettiest thing that's ever come from the MCU. Great series, great ending.
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mllaneza posted:Yeah, Owen Wilson carried this show. He's 100% the heart of it. That's high praise when he's acting against Hiddleston's Loki. One thing they didn't show was WHAT caused them to become invariants. Like how did each gently caress up the time line.
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happyhippy posted:One thing they didn't show was WHAT caused them to become invariants. Mobius gave too good of a deal to a Kang variant, triggering a chain of events that lead to a multiversal Jetski Navy
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Shageletic posted:I kept on pausing the scene when Loki takes the seat because it was like the panels of the most gorgeously painted comic. Might be the prettiest thing that's ever come from the MCU. Great series, great ending. It's kind of funny because loki culminated in a CGI laser show but this time it was actually great
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Eiba posted:Oooh, I think I see what you're not getting: Oh I get the fix, I know what the end means. I understand what you're saying about him being a variant and that he'd be destroyed I just feel like they should have said it I guess. There's a big difference for me between "this is the end of everything" and "we've left it to go back as it was"
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Shageletic posted:Feels like I posted about my complaints alot when the show was running and it's been awhile since I've seen it since I never rewatched it but I missed Hawkeye's connection to New York and his apt bldg, didn't like the focus on Kate who is supposed to be 22 but acts like she's 14 along with so much time spent on her frankly goofy parents, and the considerably more childish tone of the show versus the comic, down to the villains who just kept on showing up to beat up. See, I personally feel that all 22 year olds should be shown acting like they are 14 because... have you met 22 year olds? Let the junior heroes be kids, with the slow pace they are reappearing in the bloated MCU schedule they have a long time of being mature heroes ahead of them. The comics (5 star read, not slighting them even a little) was just a little weird for me because Kate Bishop came across as mature and responsible and not someone who feels like a junior trainee inheritor of the title. While Hawkeye himself felt quite young and playboyish (in a slacker kind of way). Not that that isn't a perfectly valid take, but for a character who has been around for 60 years, I kind of need him to have aged up a little beyond that for me to buy into it. That's more an issue I have with comics in general, where everyone is somehow always 30 yet they also have a 40 year career in crimefighting and a 25 year old protege who has been growing up idolising them. It's also why I adored the first Spider-Verse film because a shlubby 40 year old Peter B. Parker was MY Spider-Man, finally allowed to grow up, gently caress up, but still be a good dude. I maintain it was good comics, a good show, and a good adaptation of the comics into a "people actually age here" MCU version of the same. I totally get wanting that comic version of Hawkeye, but the MCU already moved him on enough that he could never be that Hawkeye. I wish they could have started more with that Hawkeye in the first place, but who knew we'd end up here 15 years ago? On the plus side, we got a Ronin Hawkeye that didn't require the actual fridging of his family, with the Snap being a nice have cake and eat cake solution to that.
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I’m disappointed in all this spaghetti talk. The whole show is about a loom and everything comes apart like cloth unweaving itself. Fake edit: I now want to see the Kang variant that creates a Temporal Colander
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Watching this show I couldn't help think of this everytime we saw it on screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9s1QiqFYaE
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Cage Kicker posted:I’m disappointed in all this spaghetti talk. The whole show is about a loom and everything comes apart like cloth unweaving itself. I liked that it all looked distinctly more thread-like in the climatic and ending scenes. It also looked more expensive, which I expect is the practical reason it didn't look that good all season, but I will accept a narrative reason of all the previous time strands depicted having been overprocessed by Kang/the Loom's interference. There is a whole different texture and heft of an organic unprocessed timeline 
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You haven't been able to get good artisanal hand-crafted timeline since that drat loom
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maybeadracula posted:You haven't been able to get good artisanal hand-crafted timeline since that drat loom lol
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Sooo... before the events of the series, the TVA would actively hunt down and prune variant people and timelines. And, if they happened to miss a timeline, the loom would automatically prune it, under the guise of "weaving it into raw time". This kinda implies that the actions of the TVA hunters didn't really matter, they were just there for show, like Chief O'Brien or something?
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Gynovore posted:Sooo... before the events of the series, the TVA would actively hunt down and prune variant people and timelines. And, if they happened to miss a timeline, the loom would automatically prune it, under the guise of "weaving it into raw time". This kinda implies that the actions of the TVA hunters didn't really matter, they were just there for show, like Chief O'Brien or something? I don't think the loom could prune variant people off their timeline, just merge whole timelines
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AndyElusive posted:More shows like Loki S1 & 2 please Marvel Studios because you knocked that one out of the park. Just do a good Daredevil season 4.
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AndyElusive posted:More shows like Loki S1 & 2 please Marvel Studios because you knocked that one out of the park. Loki was definitely the absolute best of what MCU TV has brought to us so far, but I would also say that there is room in this world (or rather in the MCU, I guess) for absolutely wonderful things like Madisynn with two N's, one Y, but not where you think.  Maybe not within the same show, but in general!
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Gynovore posted:Sooo... before the events of the series, the TVA would actively hunt down and prune variant people and timelines. And, if they happened to miss a timeline, the loom would automatically prune it, under the guise of "weaving it into raw time". This kinda implies that the actions of the TVA hunters didn't really matter, they were just there for show, like Chief O'Brien or something? I got the impression that if the TVA failed to handle something the Loom would act as a failsafe and fix the issue at the cost of destroying itself and the TVA in the process. So the Loom can't act as an ongoing solution for all the problems, just a one-off emergency response.
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Gynovore posted:Sooo... before the events of the series, the TVA would actively hunt down and prune variant people and timelines. And, if they happened to miss a timeline, the loom would automatically prune it, under the guise of "weaving it into raw time". This kinda implies that the actions of the TVA hunters didn't really matter, they were just there for show, like Chief O'Brien or something? The Loom wouldn't prune individual timelines. It just exploded, and took Everything with it, after reaching a critical amount of too many timelines existing at once. It's HWR's "you either continue the operation I've setup, or I hit the hard reset" incentive.
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When Kang was in charge, they pruned a lot of Lokis. Now that Loki is in charge, they'll prune a lot of Kangs.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I got the impression that if the TVA failed to handle something the Loom would act as a failsafe and fix the issue at the cost of destroying itself and the TVA in the process. So the Loom can't act as an ongoing solution for all the problems, just a one-off emergency response. I don't think it's really a one time thing. HWR said that in the case the TVA got destroyed, it would just get rebuilt including the Loom. The cyclical nature of the TVA and the Loom maintains the Sacred Timeline indefinitely. Remember at the end of season 1 when Sylvie killed HWR and kicked Loki through a time door? He ended up at the TVA where no one knew who he was and the giant statues had changed to have Kang's face? This was Loki being sent to a past iteration of the TVA which subsequently got destroyed and rebuilt with minor changes like the statues. There were also ruins of past TVAs in the Void where Renslayer meets Alioth. 
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Rappaport posted:Loki was definitely the absolute best of what MCU TV has brought to us so far, but I would also say that there is room in this world (or rather in the MCU, I guess) for absolutely wonderful things like Madisynn with two N's, one Y, but not where you think. Red posted:Just do a good Daredevil season 4. 
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I want to give a shoutout to the biggest stars of Loki - the sets and props.
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Cross-posting this from the BSS thread, but I'm wondering if this was intentional: Top is a shot from the Loki season 2 finale, bottom is the album cover of Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd.   And some of the lyrics from the titular song: "Did they get you to trade Your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? Cold comfort for change? Did you exchange A walk-on part in the war For a lead role in a cage? How I wish, how I wish you were here We're just two lost souls Swimming in a fish bowl Year after year Running over the same old ground What have we found? The same old fears Wish you were here"
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While this is an enormous reach based on two people shaking hands, I am especially impressed that you didn't highlight "hot ashes for trees" when that's literally what Loki did trade. Also he traded the cold comfort of the TVA and the Sacred Timeline for change, and if you want to stretch a little he's no longer full of hot air and bluster. In fact, the lines you highlighted might be the least relevant in the whole verse.
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maybeadracula posted:I don't think the loom could prune variant people off their timeline, just merge whole timelines I think the show has purposely obscured exactly what the pruning process was before the HWR was killed. When Loki was first picked up we see charges set off and we don't see what it exactly transports (the area immediately around Loki, the desert people he was talking about, or the entire universe of that timeline). We do see those indicidual Saber pruning weapons being used to send off individuals yet the bombs set by the splinter group definitely destroyed entire timeliness. At least for me it's hard to see what the ordinary MO was for pruning before everything changed.
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Jedit posted:While this is an enormous reach based on two people shaking hands It was the fire/spaghettification that made me do the dicaprio_pointing.jpg That and the start of the episode made me think "huh, when you play the Loki intro backwards it sounds a bit like the start of Time" so I was already in a Floyd Hole.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I want to give a shoutout to the biggest stars of Loki - the sets and props. Wow, way to do the score dirty like that
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Jedit posted:While this is an enormous reach based on two people shaking hands, I am especially impressed that you didn't highlight "hot ashes for trees" when that's literally what Loki did trade. Also he traded the cold comfort of the TVA and the Sacred Timeline for change, and if you want to stretch a little he's no longer full of hot air and bluster. In fact, the lines you highlighted might be the least relevant in the whole verse. I guess he's just not another brick in the wall
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BoldFace posted:I don't think it's really a one time thing. HWR said that in the case the TVA got destroyed, it would just get rebuilt including the Loom. The cyclical nature of the TVA and the Loom maintains the Sacred Timeline indefinitely. Remember at the end of season 1 when Sylvie killed HWR and kicked Loki through a time door? He ended up at the TVA where no one knew who he was and the giant statues had changed to have Kang's face? This was Loki being sent to a past iteration of the TVA which subsequently got destroyed and rebuilt with minor changes like the statues. There were also ruins of past TVAs in the Void where Renslayer meets Alioth. Ye this is sort of how I'm still seeing it, that the Loom just resets it back to how it was and they make a fresh TVA? I dunno, I'm not sure the writers thought it through that far
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I guess he's just not another brick in the wall No, thats Andor.
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The loom only cares about maintaining the Sacred Timeline, the home of HWR. In the case of insufficient pruning, it would overload and explode, wiping out all timelines and variants and the TVA while leaving the Sacred Timeline intact, allowing HWR to create it all again. Or that's my interpretation at least
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Taear posted:Ye this is sort of how I'm still seeing it, that the Loom just resets it back to how it was and they make a fresh TVA? This is my assumption. HWR explicitly calls it reincarnation in S1. He just wasn't expecting anyone to take up the burden HWR had taken upon himself. I think that works, that even the most ostensibly benign version of Kang is still a narrow-minded, narcissistic control freak who thinks he's the main character of reality.
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