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The saucer has no warp but don’t think about shuttles too much (the shows certainly don’t)
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Smaller slower shuttles run their warp off fusion, the bigger faster ones have warp cores.
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Nov 13, 2023 11:36
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Shuttles proceed at impulse speed to places that they shouldn't really be able to reach at impulse speed. Everything in Star Trek moves at the speed of plot.
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Nov 13, 2023 11:40
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warp cores must scale down pretty far because shuttles and other tiny ships warp around all the time.
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Nov 13, 2023 13:40
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I always assumed the shuttles’ warp cores were very compact and hidden behind a panel, because there’s no expectation that you’ll need to monitor and adjust it during regular flight. Compare the engine room of a ship to the engine on a car, for example.
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Nov 13, 2023 13:45
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The warp core isn't the thing that makes warp happen, it's just a really big, really powerful generator to fuel the warp coils.
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I tired to look up the size of a warp core on ships, and unsurprisingly the sizes are just all over the place. Newer shows tend to have them massive, and the older the show the smaller the warp core. But if you look at the tng warp core compared to the size of the ship -and also it would be supplying power to a how bunch more systems that a shuttle wouldn't have- than yeah the warp core could be pretty tiny. Edit: Dabir posted:The warp core isn't the thing that makes warp happen, it's just a really big, really powerful generator to fuel the warp coils. I assume the warp coils are either in the floor or the ceiling of the ship maybe going end to end on each side.
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Nov 13, 2023 13:52
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They're in the nacelles surely. Even the little pods have those
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Nov 13, 2023 14:06
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naem posted:
I mean the answer is obviously "then nobody gets to inhabit the universe because everyone gets taken out by hyperspace debris"
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Nov 13, 2023 14:12
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galagazombie posted:Saucer separation always bothered me be because it puts the vast majority of the weapons on the part that’s not supposed to fight and the escape engines on the stay and fight part. The schmucks on the Battle Bridge have a grand total of one torpedo launcher to use while the stranded escape craft full of civilians is like 30% pure phaser bank by surface area. Of course the sfx crew would just invent new places for lasers and torpedos to come out all the time. I think the bussard collectors opened fire once. I suppose it was easy to do that since the D didn’t really have a visible torpedo launcher like the TOS movie ships did. We only “know” the D’s main launcher was in the neck because that’s where they drew the torpedo coming from, not because of anything visible on the model like the Connie Refit. So when they wanted a torpedo to launch from somewhere else they just did. The Voyager had those two little boops on either side of the deflector as launchers which was at least consistent if not cool looking like the Reliants giant launcher.  The torpedo launch tube is right there  The aft launcher (the poop chute, really) is less visible  And the majority of the phaser banks are on the engine section:  e: god dammit, haha nice one Mike also those pictures are nicer tbh alexandriao fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Nov 13, 2023 |
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Nov 13, 2023 14:24
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I think a single phase bank can really only output one beam?
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Nov 13, 2023 14:25
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Noncorrect! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d734afLFPds You don't even need to watch this one, it's in the thumbnail
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alexandriao posted:I mean the answer is obviously "then nobody gets to inhabit the universe because everyone gets taken out by hyperspace debris" That's the plot hook to a bunch of High Republic stories, there was an incident called the Great Hyperspace Disaster where some shenanigans occurred and two ships managed to disintegrate in hyperspace in a really nasty manner and then bits of debris kept falling back into realspace in a catastrophic way across a whole part of the galaxy and causing a bunch of extinction level events on planets. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Nov 13, 2023 |
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dr_rat posted:I tired to look up the size of a warp core on ships, and unsurprisingly the sizes are just all over the place. Newer shows tend to have them massive, and the older the show the smaller the warp core. But if you look at the tng warp core compared to the size of the ship -and also it would be supplying power to a how bunch more systems that a shuttle wouldn't have- than yeah the warp core could be pretty tiny. Even though they're pretty small compared to the overall volume they're still pretty drat big. The Enterprise-D's core is 12 stories high. A warp core is basically two particle accelerator tubes pointing to the reactor chamber in the middle. The bit that goes vwom that we see in engineering on shows is only the reaction chamber in the middle. We only see the whole thing when they eject the core, on Voyager or Insurrection or Lower Decks.  They're not meant to be user-servicable on smaller ships. Runabout ones run horizontally along the roof of the runabout   A Type 7 shuttle, the big TNG ones, have a small antimatter warp core. A type 6 shuttle, more compact, have a fusion core.  dr_rat posted:I assume the warp coils are either in the floor or the ceiling of the ship maybe going end to end on each side. Warp coils are in the nacelles, that's what nacelles are for. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Nov 13, 2023 |
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MikeJF posted:Even though they're pretty small compared to the overall volume they're still pretty drat big. The Enterprise-D's core is 12 stories high. A warp core is basically two particle accelerator tubes pointing to the reactor chamber in the middle. The bit that goes vwom that we see in engineering on shows is only the reaction chamber in the middle. We only see the whole thing when they eject the core, on Voyager or Insurrection or Lower Decks. The technical manual has the shuttlepods being sublight, and the nacelles do have warp coils but it's part of the impulse drive. They can only generate up to 750 millicochranes.
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Nov 13, 2023 15:42
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You can't fool me, that's the Vindicator from Star Control 2
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MikeJF posted:Warp coils are in the nacelles, that's what nacelles are for. I swear they had shuttles with no visible nacelles?
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dr_rat posted:I swear they had shuttles with no visible nacelles? There is a work sled type shuttle with waldoes and a big glass pod lookin thing that has no nacelles but I don't think they've ever been on screen. Even the sublight shuttles have nacelles.  They're just impulse engine nacelles.
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Nov 13, 2023 15:52
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CainFortea posted:There is a work sled type shuttle with waldoes and a big glass pod lookin thing that has no nacelles but I don't think they've ever been on screen. Thing is shaped like an exocomp.
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Grey Cat posted:Thing is shaped like an exocomp. This is what peak space performance looks like. fake edit: Not actually true tho. Exocomps are octagonal cross section. Shuttle pods are hexagonal in cross section. 
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Nov 13, 2023 15:58
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You know, I'm really easy to get along with - most of the time, but I don't like bullies, I don't like threats, and I don't like you.
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Nov 13, 2023 15:59
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CainFortea posted:This is what peak space performance looks like. Yes, I mean proportionally, it's short, stumpy, has little feetsies. May or may not be sentient.
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It was designed to be cheap and easy for the set department to build first, and look like a shuttle second
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I'd like to think the base design of the Exocomps are really simple and plain, and the people who make them just like to add all these unnecessary bits and pieces just cos they want them to look nice.
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dr_rat posted:I'd like to think the base design of the Exocomps are really simple and plain, and the people who make them just like to add all these unnecessary bits and pieces just cos they want them to look nice. Other way around, I'd like to think the greebles on the exocomps were the first attempt at self expression and communication by them.
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Gonna tell my kids these are the ovaries
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CainFortea posted:Other way around, I'd like to think the greebles on the exocomps were the first attempt at self expression and communication by them. It's not a phase, mom. Flaps Greebles
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MikeJF posted:It was designed to be cheap and easy for the set department to build first, and look like a shuttle second Fairly sure it was designed to look like an animes, and any shuttle connection is coincidental.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:yeah, it's an exploration vessel that often serves as a military vessel and regularly gets into other kinds of incredible danger too. so, perfectly safe for families! "How dare you come here and have us run drills as training for just in case our ship full of families gets into a fight. How DARE you try and ensure that we know how to keep our ship in one piece and the children alive on this space ship that might be attacked at any moment. This heavily armed battleship isnt a military vessel, and making sure we know how to protect our loved ones is a slippery slope. You are a monster!" - William Riker, when Starfleet sends a training guy to run a quick training exercise with the crew of the flagship
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Grey Cat posted:It's not a phase, mom. Flaps Greebles was the first exocomp jazz singer.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:yeah, it's an exploration vessel that often serves as a military vessel and regularly gets into other kinds of incredible danger too. so, perfectly safe for families! and the families have a choice of either 1) following their loved one and thus having pretty much no choice over where they live or the greater details of their life or 2) possibly never seeing them again sounds like the military family experience to me, lol
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StrangersInTheNight posted:
Nah, domestic violence is almost unheard of for one. Also I don't think I've ever heard of a stripper marrying an ensign so they can move on to the flagship.
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First of May posted:Flaps Greebles was the first exocomp jazz singer. Damnit now I have to waste my precious time doing a bad job of making an image of an ExoComp with a replicated trumpet CainFortea posted:Nah, domestic violence is almost unheard of for one. Also I don't think I've ever heard of a stripper marrying an ensign so they can move on to the flagship. Or ensigns buying shuttlecraft with terrible financing deals
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The General posted:Fairly sure it was designed to look like an animes, and any shuttle connection is coincidental. I mean the shuttle.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:Damnit now I have to waste my precious time doing a bad job of making an image of an ExoComp with a replicated trumpet *Rolls Coal in my new shuttlecraft on The Strip
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CainFortea posted:Also I don't think I've ever heard of a stripper marrying an ensign so they can move on to the flagship. YET
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Didn't Barkley date a Dabo girl? I'd say close enough.
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Jake dated a Dabo girl who since I cant remember those episodes well, I assume just wanted to hang out with the emissary
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:Or ensigns buying shuttlecraft with terrible financing deals I've got a Type 15 shuttle here Ensign Tallshanks with your name on it. This thing has doubled it's value in aftermarket modifications, but I like you. So i'm only going to charge you 50% over MSRP! And i've got a special running this week for new ensigns who just get their ship posting, 23.99% APR if you finance today! Can you really afford not to get this? Don't forget rule of acquisition 120. "The quality of risan honey you harvest is directly proportional to the quality of your ride". Nilragg will take good care of you!
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Gutcruncher posted:"How dare you come here and have us run drills as training for just in case our ship full of families gets into a fight. How DARE you try and ensure that we know how to keep our ship in one piece and the children alive on this space ship that might be attacked at any moment. This heavily armed battleship isnt a military vessel, and making sure we know how to protect our loved ones is a slippery slope. You are a monster!" I always liked how in the episode Conundrum when they all lose their memories, they take one look at the ship's specifications and instantly conclude that it's a battleship.
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