FlapYoJacks posted:

If gas stations were good and had decent food/facilities then more people would actually go to them.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

As a rural new Englander who had the power out a lot growing up, I don’t think I’d be willing to move to electric heat without either some kind of battery storage or other backup.

That Works posted:

Getting big “I don’t need to wear a mask I dont know anyone that died of covid anyway” vibes.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

As a rural new Englander who had the power out a lot growing up, I don’t think I’d be willing to move to electric heat without either some kind of battery storage or other backup.

Three Olives posted:

I'm kind of embarrassed that I like this guys videos because it is some hard nerd poo poo but I do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMxB7zA-e4Y

fondue posted:

I have had three relatives die of COVID and despite this my stupid cousin and his wife (whom both have survived loving brain cancer) refused to mask up but they're both huge conservatives. So in short, go gently caress yourself.

TheFluff posted:

Do you really not see how your original post (that basically went "I know there are studies saying burning poo poo indoors may be bad but I personally haven't noticed a problem in 30 years so ") might've been read?

Like, sure, elevated levels of nitrogen dioxide and other combustion byproducts in a residential indoor environment aren't anywhere near covid level dangerous, but they undeniably have adverse health effects in the long term. You can mitigate the problem with improved ventilation, but it's not going to go away entirely.

Trabisnikof posted:

And so that should probably be considered as part of the process of replacing an aging natural gas appliance, as the future of home natural gas service isn't certain. And with many places that currently have home natural gas service preferring to use economics-based climate policy, individual communities are likely to see their natural gas service shut off due to economic conditions that may not leave residents with much forewarning. You might just get a letter saying you've got 30 days until they shut off the gas to everyone, thanks for being a great customer.

Magic Underwear posted:

This strikes me as unlikely, can you back that up with anything? Utilities are pseudo-public and cutting off people's heating is...against public policy to put it lightly.

quote:

https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/news-and-updates/all-news/cpuc-ensures-energy-reliability-for-santa-nella-community-2023

SNME, Inc., a private corporation that owns the underground natural gas pipelines and customer meters in Santa Nella and provides sub-metered natural gas service to customers, informed the CPUC in May 2022 that it intends to cease operations. The CPUC promptly opened a proceeding to explore safe and reliable energy options, ranging from new direct gas service to full electrification for the entire community.

The decision directs Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E), which already provides electric service to the community, to install new natural gas and electric infrastructure, and to also give each homeowner the option to fully electrify their home and forgo natural gas service. At a community meeting held in Santa Nella in February, scores of residents expressed the desire for new, safe energy investments to replace their existing, aging infrastructure.

quote:

https://law.stanford.edu/2023/05/21/what-should-we-do-when-the-natural-gas-company-leaves-town/

The Santa Nella decision was therefore made against the backdrop of substantial efforts by state regulators to orchestrate a shift away from the use of natural gas in California’s buildings. As the CPUC recognized when it initiated a long-term planning process for the state’s natural gas system, “state and municipal laws concerning greenhouse gas emissions will result in the replacement of gas-fueled technologies and, in turn, reduce the demand for natural gas.” In other words, gas is and should be on its way out to achieve California’s climate goals – but that recognition was absent from the Santa Nella decision.

Also running through the Santa Nella investigation was a fundamental tension: the state needs to reduce its demand for natural gas while also fulfilling a utilities’ legal obligation to serve customers in their service territories. In exchange for operating as a monopoly, investor-owned utilities must provide every customer in their territory with essential services, such as electricity or natural gas. In recent years, the obligation to serve has emerged as a barrier to building electrification in California because of a lack of legal clarity about whether the obligation is satisfied by providing the same underlying end uses – like cooking, water heating, and laundry – or if customers have a continuing and permanent right to receive natural gas service specifically, even if those services can be provided by all-electric appliances. California legislators could avoid such tension in the future by clarifying that in situations like this one, electricity service is an adequate substitute for gas service.

The Risks of a Half-Step Toward Electrification

California’s policy goals are in tension with the Santa Nella decision’s requirement that PG&E update the electrical system throughout the affected community and install new gas infrastructure sufficient to serve the entire area, no matter how many residents ultimately decide to electrify their homes. For the affected residents, the default option of their utility upgrade will be to provide both new gas and electric service. This ‘default’ is due in large part to the CPUC’s recognition of the very short timeline to find a way to provide essential utility service to the community; however, the CPUC has not discussed the option to electrify with the same urgency, as the state’s policy goals would suggest is necessary.

Meanwhile, installing new natural gas infrastructure on an accelerated timeline will reduce the community’s ability to electrify by 2035 and will increase the likelihood that community members will be left with rising natural gas bills. As more homeowners and businesses disconnect from the state’s natural gas system, the costs of maintaining that system – which largely won’t change – will increase per person for the decreasing number of customers still reliant on gas. Those costs are likely to fall disproportionately on low-income individuals and renters. And if a new natural gas system is installed in Santa Nella, it will probably become financially “stranded” in the short window of time that remains to meet California’s climate goals.

grahm posted:

Was this recently? I also live in Oregon (Portland, my electric is PGE) and I would take this deal if it exists for me.

Edit: Think I just found it. Pretty good deal. I'm gonna see if it works for my setup.

Trabisnikof posted:

(an interesting note, propane is not a serious greenhouse gas at all which means all those rural customers on propane heat might be ahead of the curve.)

fondue posted:

fondue posted:

I have had three relatives die of COVID and despite this my stupid cousin and his wife (whom both have survived loving brain cancer) refused to mask up but they're both huge conservatives. So in short, go gently caress yourself.

cruft posted:

This image rules. Is this a legit 1900s drawing? It seems so over the top in its message, but I love it either way.

cruft posted:

This image rules. Is this a legit 1900s drawing? It seems so over the top in its message, but I love it either way.

Tiny Timbs posted:

My Polestar 2 has low coolant and I’m not allowed to top it off without voiding the warranty lol

The communities seem to think it’s air trapped in the line migrating its way to the top of the reservoir over time, which makes sense to me since I haven’t spotted any leaks in the garage.

ilkhan posted:

What is the hive mind's opinion of the Nissan Ariya? I know nothing about it but the wife is lukewarm interested.

ilkhan posted:

What is the hive mind's opinion of the Nissan Ariya? I know nothing about it but the wife is lukewarm interested.

ilkhan posted:

What is the hive mind's opinion of the Nissan Ariya? I know nothing about it but the wife is lukewarm interested.

Elviscat posted:

Also, ICEs are copying EVs, my rental F-150 uses a motor to move the shift lever slowly and jankily to park when I hit the stop button before I put it in park from force of habit.

Three Olives posted:

Everything does that after that Star Trek actor fatally ran himself over with his Jeep.

carticket posted:

Anyone got experience with the Mach E, specifically GT? I'm seriously considering ordering a Rally in '24. I'd be keeping my WRX and ditching a Mazda 3 hatch. What would bug the hell out of me with it? I have some concerns about the limited time at full power, but maybe it's not a big deal. I've heard infotainment isn't all that great. I'm in New England, is a resistive heater vs. heatpimp going to be annoying? I need to find a GT to test drive. The rally should be similar.

borkencode posted:

If you’ve got a Rivian, don’t do a software update right now. https://www.404media.co/rivian-pushes-broken-software-update-that-will-require-physical-repair/

Tiny Timbs posted:

carticket posted:

I have a feeling this thread has a lot of in-jokes I don't get. Heatpimp I get, though.

Squibbles posted:

The Bolt we ordered has now arrived at the dealership so we'll be able to pick it up Thursday. Disappointingly the dealer has decided they won't take our Leaf as trade-in because supposedly they "have so many issues" particularly "battery problems". Alas, now I have to try to sell it privately or something.

carticket posted:

I'm in New England, is a resistive heater vs. heatpimp going to be annoying? I need to find a GT to test drive. The rally should be similar.

Failson posted:

BWABD

Squibbles posted:

The Bolt we ordered has now arrived at the dealership so we'll be able to pick it up Thursday. Disappointingly the dealer has decided they won't take our Leaf as trade-in because supposedly they "have so many issues" particularly "battery problems". Alas, now I have to try to sell it privately or something.

mobby_6kl posted:

Great news! So they canceled and then un-canceled Bolt production? I'm pretty confused at this point.

Also I think the dealer would've hosed you over on the trade-in value anyway so consider that a plus.

Saukkis posted:

I was just reading a winter EV test from January 2022 and the Mach-E without heatpump managed quite badly. It took almost half an hour to warm up to +15°C in -12°C outside temperature. M-B EQA and Polestar 2 managed under 10 minutes.