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Mulaney Power Move posted:"Morphemic analysis of film footage to decrypt symbolic gestures of masculine disrespect." If you're going to reference my PhD dissertation at least give me credit.
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Pal Penis. We used to call them "crotch chops". I know there were times Probably why there are so many more of them, vs like 1/4 the amounts of "SUCK ITS" and whatever the gently caress else everyone else would say.
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# ? Nov 11, 2023 18:05 |
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wesleywillis posted:I know there were times Way less middle fingers too. Stone Cold gives you one big middle finger and lets it hang there. DX lines five guys up and they do 5 chops each. Huge ratio difference.
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# ? Nov 11, 2023 18:24 |
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Imagine 4 crotch chops at the edge of a cliff…
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# ? Nov 11, 2023 19:46 |
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lmao this post got me sucked into a vortex as an academic trying to find the actual source to view Dr. Gantz’s methodology, findings and conclusions. After an exhaustive search, I was unable to locate the document itself used in the study. It was assigned as reading material for a course by Sam Ford at MIT according to the syllabus but is not present in the archive of readings provided. Footnote references to it are sparse with it being referenced in Chapter 16 of Sex Lies and Headlocks: The Real Story of Vince McMahon and World Wrestling Entertainment (2002), Dr. Casey B. Hart’s 2012 PhD Dissertation and in Dr. Patrice Oppliger’s Wrestling and Hypermasculinity (2004) which provides the below interdisciplinary analysis on her findings. In contrast, I have found countless news articles during the time of the airing of the two-part episode of Inside Edition (Scientific America, NY Daily News, Ponoco Record and various Associated Press Newswire articles) all basically repeating the same below information Associated Press | February 22, 1999 posted:NEW YORK (AP) - A study has found that a popular cable television's wrestling show is packed with obscene gestures, crotch-grabbing, satanic rituals - and a bit of actual wrestling. Having no luck finding what I was looking for with that approach, I decided to check books in the subject domain to see if there were any non-academic sources that analyzed the material, where I was able to find the most exhaustive account of Dr. Walter Gantz's Indiana University study as well as conducting original research on the subject. While this individual who conducted the replication study doesn’t hold a PhD or any academic credentials, I believe his three-time WWE Championship, eight-time WWE Tag Team Championship and his 2013 induction into the WWE Hall of Fame are more than sufficient to prove his domain knowledge. Mick Foley wrote at length about the Indiana University Study in his second book Foley is Good: And the Real World is Faker Than Wrestling (2002) in the epilogue, below are his findings that answer pretty much every question asked in the thread. Mick Foley, Epilogue of Foley is Good: And the Real World is Faker Than Wrestling (2002) posted:I was a little bit taken aback when the results of an Indiana University study concerning the contents of Raw started becoming public knowledge in early 1999. I may not have been in total agreement with all of the World Wrestling Federation's ideas, but by no means did I consider it to be a filthy show. On the contrary, I considered Raw to be a fun, action-packed show that happened to contain a little filth. So when the results came out, they were a bit shocking.
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# ? Nov 11, 2023 22:51 |
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I love this thread and the frequent dives into history, thanks to those putting those summaries together. Recent events had me wondering whether one of you wonderful people could look into the more recent WWE career/careers of Asuka and Kairi Sane. They have both been with the WWE for some time now, with a few breaks here and there due to injury or leaving, but overall I have the feeling that an overview of their time in the WWE would be surprisingly long, and unsurprisingly sad.
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# ? Nov 11, 2023 22:56 |
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If you’re not down for sucking it, as we have asked you to prepare for, your other option is to suck it
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# ? Nov 12, 2023 00:35 |
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mannerup posted:Foley is Good excerpt Foley is God.
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# ? Nov 12, 2023 03:16 |
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Mick Foley is an absolute legend. Wish there were more people like him. Animal-Mother posted:Foley is God. Yeah, that
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# ? Nov 12, 2023 03:18 |
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A Terrible Person posted:Mick Foley is an absolute legend. Wish there were more people like him. Mick Foley is one of the absolute, true greats
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# ? Nov 12, 2023 03:19 |
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That time Hogan buried Foley for no apparent reason and Foley squashed Hogan as politely as he could while getting as mad as I think I've ever seen him be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0a9amZ6ORw
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 03:11 |
Isn't Mick Foley supposed to be like one of the nicest guys in the business?
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 04:57 |
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I mean, look at any of Hogan's time in WCW and uh, weak, is a pretty good descriptor for what was going on there.
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 05:01 |
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Isn't Mick Foley supposed to be like one of the nicest guys in the business?
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 05:02 |
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Literally A Person posted:I mean, look at any of Hogan's time in WCW and uh, weak, is a pretty good descriptor for what was going on there. iirc (and as it happened during my childhood and I am old and high, I may well not rc; so I preemptively defer to anyone else's expertise) the broad arc was that at the start Hogan was Not Hot!, then he finally did the Hollywood thing and was briefly once again pretty big, and then it just wouldn't ever fuckin END. if you were already a Hogan skeptic--and I as a li'l spring Onion/Hart fan/Piper fan/Stinger was absolutely among their number--the entire show became increasingly hard to watch as, Poochie-like, talk of the Hulkster's antics remained constant even in matches he had not a goddamn thing to do with
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 05:21 |
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Animal-Mother posted:That time Hogan buried Foley for no apparent reason and Foley squashed Hogan as politely as he could while getting as mad as I think I've ever seen him be. when/what was this all about? It feels like Foley is holding back just barely in the face of a potential match.
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SatansOnion posted:iirc (and as it happened during my childhood and I am old and high, I may well not rc; so I preemptively defer to anyone else's expertise) the broad arc was that at the start Hogan was Not Hot!, then he finally did the Hollywood thing and was briefly once again pretty big, and then it just wouldn't ever fuckin END. if you were already a Hogan skeptic--and I as a li'l spring Onion/Hart fan/Piper fan/Stinger was absolutely among their number--the entire show became increasingly hard to watch as, Poochie-like, talk of the Hulkster's antics remained constant even in matches he had not a goddamn thing to do with My longest series of effortposts in this thread, listed in the OP, basically sums up Hogan's contribution to the death of WCW. It was quite large.
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 06:14 |
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Isn't Mick Foley supposed to be like one of the nicest guys in the business? I've heard one time he was signing at a show and this little kid came up to him crying because hogan was charging $100 an autograph, so mick pulled out his wallet and gave the kid a $100 out of his own drat money lol
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Isn't Mick Foley supposed to be like one of the nicest guys in the business? Being one of the nicest people in the pro-wrestling business is damning with faint praise. Foley is, by all accounts, pretty much a Saint. I've never heard anything bad about him, and he seems to do a lot of genuinely wonderful work with good charities and to be a genuinely nice and great guy to fans.
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 07:34 |
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The worst I can say I heard was he supposedly made up a fake ghost writer for his first book and vagaries that maybe his relationship with Melina Perez might not be wholly on the up and up, but that's about the worst that comes to mind and really has nothing beyond 'I read that somewhere'.
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 09:22 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Being one of the nicest people in the pro-wrestling business is damning with faint praise. True in the 90s, but plenty of the current wrestlers seem to be really nice.
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Kennel posted:True in the 90s, but plenty of the current wrestlers seem to be really nice. Yeah, the kids are alright. Although given my experience watching AEW and even WWE for work I'm pretty sure alot of the current wrestlers are dudes from the 90s. Well, I mean, 90s an early aughts, which in the case of wrestling are basically the same period.
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 11:13 |
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IIRC, Mick Foley once got Vince McMahon to donate something like $10,000 to a LGBTQ+ charity; so yeah, he is right up there among pro wrestling's saints, sitting next to DDP
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 14:23 |
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Foley rules. I think the only "negative" thing I ever read about him was his planned feud with Moxley that went off the rails. Back in 2012, Moxley was in NXT as Dean Ambrose and kept having these interactions with Foley at signings and fan events. It was supposed to lead to some kind of match (which probably wouldn't have been very good) but just kind of ended. The reason was Foley told Moxley in front of people "don't talk about my family". Moxley, being the consummate pro wrestler, assumed this meant he SHOULD talk about his family, then tweeted about it, as was the style at the time. Unfortunately Mox was also in Europe at the time and had no phone reception, so he missed multiple text messages from Foley asking him to please remove the comments. That led Foley to believe Mox was some huge rear end in a top hat, Foley nixed the whole feud, and then when Mox got back to the US his phone blew up with all these messages. I know they smoothed stuff over afterwards but it was a little odd that Foley felt there was a line not to be crossed but let that dangle out there. I think anyone working heel would have jumped on that.
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 14:44 |
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I made my girlfriend watch his santa doc one time and now he's her favorite pro wrestler (ahead of nobody)
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MrQwerty posted:I made my girlfriend watch his santa doc one time and now he's her favorite pro wrestler (ahead of nobody) I recall BBQ Santa being pretty cool.
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A Fancy Hat posted:Foley rules. I think the only "negative" thing I ever read about him was his planned feud with Moxley that went off the rails. yeah it's like heel 101 lol
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 22:06 |
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he may have saved foley's life doing that if it meant foley had to step into a ring again lol
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 22:19 |
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didn't mox say the thing that made up his mind about leaving the wwe was Vince trying to make him do promos making fun of roman's cancer?
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 22:25 |
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AlmightyBob posted:didn't mox say the thing that made up his mind about leaving the wwe was Vince trying to make him do promos making fun of roman's cancer? That was a big part of it, yeah.
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# ? Nov 14, 2023 22:42 |
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wrestling is messed up because it mixes real life and fiction together in a way where you cant tell if its real or a work and thats why so many wrestlers go insane
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# ? Nov 15, 2023 00:56 |
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Also all that the head trauma
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# ? Nov 15, 2023 01:37 |
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:wrestling is messed up because it mixes real life and fiction together in a way where you cant tell if its real or a work and thats why so many wrestlers go insane the guys in my local rasslin promo seem to be keeping it together - for now
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# ? Nov 15, 2023 01:38 |
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Deki posted:Also all that the head trauma And heavy drug use
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# ? Nov 15, 2023 01:56 |
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its so bad that some people thought eddie guerro's death was a work not helped by vince making his death into an angle
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# ? Nov 15, 2023 02:02 |
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:wrestling is messed up because it mixes real life and fiction together in a way where you cant tell if its real or a work and thats why so many wrestlers go insane to this day I'm not sure if anyone is even 100% on whether the Montreal screwjob was real or if bret hart was in on it because he's kept his mouth shut afaik
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Paul Revere 3000 posted:And heavy drug use and being loving stupid to start with
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AlmightyBob posted:to this day I'm not sure if anyone is even 100% on whether the Montreal screwjob was real or if bret hart was in on it because he's kept his mouth shut afaik its real but bret would be wrestle brained enough to make it a work to protect the business
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# ? Nov 15, 2023 02:29 |
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RIDE THE SNAKE: THE REDEMPTION OF JAKE ROBERTS PART 1 In the 70s, 80s, and 90s, there was so much rampant drug and alcohol abuse in wrestling. We all know that. The two men synonymous with that more than anyone else were Scott Hall and Jake Roberts. Hall’s addiction made sense if you knew his background. He was once a bouncer and a confrontation led to him killing a man in self-defense, giving him decades of PTSD. Jake Roberts, on the other hand, had it even worse. Jake was the son of wrestler Grizzly Smith and if such a thing as Hell exists, then Grizzly is currently there suffering like he deserves to. He was arguably the most evil piece of poo poo to ever be part of the wrestling business and I’m uncomfortable going into detail about how hosed up Jake’s upbringing was. That’s your own research. Jake had been wrestling for over a decade when he signed with WWF. He wasn’t quite on the ground floor of Vince’s “End of Godfather Part 1” slaughtering of the territories, but he was definitely part of a second or third wave. For a while, Jake had an idea of being Jake “The Snake” Roberts, where he would carry a snake around with him. He admittedly came up with that idea while stoned out of his mind. Other wrestling promoters were against it. I would imagine that the moment he suggested it to Vince McMahon, Vince started tearing up like it was the most beautiful thing he had ever heard. A month into his WWF run, Jake got to be at WrestleMania 2, showing how back in the day, they would just throw any old match onto these PPVs. WrestleMania 2 was a bizarre little show as it took place in three different locations over the course of the night. He took on rando George Wells in what was little more than a squash match, ending in him catching Wells with his iconic finisher the DDT. Afterwards, Jake draped his snake Damien onto Wells, which Wells sold to the point of foaming at the mouth. It kicked rear end. Jake’s first feud was against Ricky Steamboat, taking up about half of 1986. One of the more notable parts of this rivalry was Jake dropping Ricky with a DDT on concrete. Ricky insisted that he could take the bump safely, but ended up getting a nasty concussion regardless. Anyway, Ricky recovered and started bringing a Komodo dragon with him as a counter to Damien. He would not be the last to do the “counter animal” gimmick against Jake, but we’ll get to that weirdness later. Ricky went on to win the feud in a Snake Pit Match, which I guess means no DQ? Jake was a very unique wrestler in a world of screaming bodybuilders. He actually wanted to bulk up, but Vince yelled at him for it, claiming that Jake’s body type made him stand out. Then there was Jake’s promos. When Jake was younger, he took a knee to the throat and it gave him a permanent rasp. Rather than yell like a maniac, he instead squinted and whispered his threats. He was brilliant and had this sinister confidence to him, like he had already won the match before the entrances could even begin. He was so talented that they gave him his own interview segment called the Snake Pit. In review, Jake had a badass finisher, talked like a badass, carried a live snake, and had a look that set him apart. It didn’t take long for him to get over huge despite his heel alignment. He had a couple matches against fellow heel Randy Savage and fans were absolutely on his side. Unfortunately for Jake, his popularity worked against him. They wanted to set up a feud with WWF Champion Hulk Hogan. They filmed a Snake Pit segment where Jake dropped Hogan with a DDT. The fans lost their poo poo over it. They lost their poo poo so much that they never aired the segment in order to protect Hogan’s image. They also had a house show match and once again, the fans were pumped to see Hogan eat a DDT. Backstage, Hogan told Jake that it just wasn’t going to work, robbing Jake of a main event feud and the money that came with it. At least they knew to turn Jake face. They pulled the trigger on his face turn by having the hated Honky Tonk Man as a guest on the Snake Pit. Honky Tonk ended up smashing Jake with his guitar... way too hard. It was not gimmicked enough or at all and caused some major damage to Jake. The two had a WrestleMania III match where Jake had Alice Cooper in his corner, which was fun. As Honky Tonk won the Intercontinental Championship afterwards, the original plan was for him to drop it to Jake. Sadly, Jake was too hurt from that guitar hit and had to take time off. Honky Tonk Man’s Intercontinental Championship run ended up going on for so long (454 days) that only RECENTLY did current champ Gunther beat his record. After a forgettable appearance in the inaugural Royal Rumble, Jake was chosen to be part of WrestleMania IV’s one-night, 14-man tournament to crown a new WWF Champion. Jake took on “Ravishing” Rick Rude in the opening round, where the two lost via time limit draw. It was an incredibly boring 15 minutes made of two talented workers killing time just so they could book the novelty of a time limit draw. With such a crap match, it was rather surprising that they immediately started a Jake Roberts vs. Rick Rude feud weeks later. The idea was that Rick Rude was trying to hit on a woman in the crowd who was not interested. She revealed that she was Cheryl, Jake’s then-wife. This led to a rather heated feud between Jake and Rude where Rude started wearing tights with Cheryl’s face airbrushed over the crotch. Being that Rick Rude was managed by Bobby Heenan, Jake went up the ladder to the final boss of 80s WWF, Andre the Giant. Physically, Andre destroyed Jake whenever they faced each other. Lucky for Jake, Andre had an intense fear of snakes and Jake was able to exploit that, at one point causing Andre to have a minor (kayfabe) heart attack. There was also a time when Andre eliminated Jake from the 1989 Royal Rumble, only for Jake to reappear later on, throw Damien into the ring, and cause Andre to eliminate himself while fleeing. There was no real blowoff to the feud. They had a match at WrestleMania V with Andre’s former rival and Royal Rumble 1989 winner Big John Studd as the special referee. Jake won by DQ and they built towards a rekindled Andre/Studd feud with Studd as the face, but his health was failing and he had to bow out before anything could happen. Speaking of failing health, Jake needed to take time off due to some back issues. They wrote him out by having him defeat Virgil, only for Ted Dibiase to attack him from behind and put him on the shelf. That ultimately made Jake Roberts vs. Ted Dibiase a year-long feud. Part of said feud involved Jake stealing Dibiase’s Million Dollar Championship belt. This led to one of two WWF faceturn angles Jake had been involved in that didn’t make all that much sense, but people were excited anyway because, hell yeah, faceturn! The Twin Towers – Big Boss Man and Akeem the African Dream – occasionally acted as hired goons for Ted Dibiase once he stopped hanging out with Andre. Dibiase got them to attack Jake and get his title back. Then as Dibiase started paying the Twin Towers’ manager Slick, Boss Man got confused and disillusioned. They were doing this...for MONEY?! I guess he just thought that getting the belt back to its original owner was the reward in itself, but the fact that payment was involved made it corrupt in some way and he wanted nothing to do with it. Instead, he helped Jake escape with the title belt. This led to WrestleMania VI, a PPV known for being a one-match show. Ask a wrestling fan to name three matches from WrestleMania VI that were not Hogan vs. Warrior and you have a good shot at stumping them. They at least would probably remember Jake vs. Dibiase, as it was a drat fine match despite its lack of conclusive ending. Dibiase won by count-out and was able to get his belt back. Jake, meanwhile, was able to get his hands on some of Dibiase’s money and started handing it out to the people in attendance. One awesome thing I have to mention is the pre-match promo. Jake was always gold on the mic, but this was his magnum opus: “Well, well. The Million Dollar Man, Ted DiBiase. Here we are at WrestleMania, and it's the biggest match of your career. Why? Because everything you stand for is on the line, mainly, the Million Dollar Belt. Oh yeah, you see it can be yours once again. All you have to do is go through Damien, and me. But you see, Damien and I don't forget, we remember all the times you made people grovel for your money. These were people far less fortunate than you, people who could use your money for essentials, and what did you do? You made fun of them. You humbled them and you humiliated them. Well, now it's my turn. I'm going to make you beg, DiBiase, you are going to get down on your hands and knees. This time, you'll be the one that's humbled. This time, you'll be the one that's humiliated, and this time, you will be the one that grovels for the money. And how appropriate, that the money you grovel for is your very own. A victim of your own greed, wallowing in the muck of avarice.” loving badass. The very next match was Boss Man vs. Akeem (who had one foot out the door at this time). Prior to the match, Dibiase jumped Boss Man, meaning they were already pivoting out of the Jake feud. Jake’s next feud was against Bad News Brown, another wrestler with one foot out the door. Bad News was a very well-protected heel during his years with the company, only really losing on house shows and a ridiculous match where Hulk Hogan headbutted him while wearing a helmet with a giant fist sticking out of it. Wrestling is loving weird. Many of his PPV appearances involved losing by count-out or DQ and SummerSlam 1990 was no different, as Jake won by DQ. Brown also brought a pet carrier with him to the match, supposedly housing a Harlem sewer rat. Though from the pre-taped promos, “Harlem sewer rat” seems to mean “possum.” Can’t believe that would be Brown’s last PPV appearance. Still beats the time Andre took a giant diarrhea poo poo on him in the ring, I suppose. Next time: Jake loses his sight, his snake, and his job.
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Gavok posted:RIDE THE SNAKE: THE REDEMPTION OF JAKE ROBERTS PART 1 https://youtu.be/tEI81DATt5A?feature=shared
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