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Hyrax Attack! posted:Watched Thief from thread’s recommendation (it’s on Paramount+), that was excellent & Caan’s character was fascinating. I liked how he was consistently thuggish & aggressive while capable of being methodical & professional on jobs, but he didn’t know when to turn it off (he may not even been capable of doing so) in situations where it may not be the best idea, comically at the adoption office, but then threatening a crime boss & banishing his wife could probably have been approached differently. Regarding the ending, I believe that thematically Frank is paying the price of vengeance up front. In any other movie Frank gets his revenge but dies in the act. But because he already self destructed and took from himself everything Leo could take he is able to escape with his life in the end. Narratively speaking I think Frank knows killing Leo, even if he lives afterwards, puts his life in even more danger with the mob. His wife and child are also put in danger and so he banished them to protect them. But ultimately I think Frank comes to the realization that people like him can't have a normal life, partially because of his profession and partially because he recognizes the animal in himself and knows that the stable life he always wanted was impossible and selfish.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Interesting to see James Belushi in a non-wacky role & he was fine, did have a question about the ending. why did Caan blow up his house & businesses? Was it to symbolize he was abandoning his dreams to be more than his mentor & resigning himself to always being a thief with no connections? I was confused as Leo didn’t want those places or even mention them & Caan wasn’t faking his family’s deaths, felt like an unnecessary act & likely to injure himself before a risky one man attack. i think he was removing any aspect of his life he thought could eventually be used against him or to control him, by either the mob or the cops.
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Saganlives posted:Regarding the ending, I believe that thematically Frank is paying the price of vengeance up front. In any other movie Frank gets his revenge but dies in the act. But because he already self destructed and took from himself everything Leo could take he is able to escape with his life in the end. Narratively speaking I think Frank knows killing Leo, even if he lives afterwards, puts his life in even more danger with the mob. His wife and child are also put in danger and so he banished them to protect them. But ultimately I think Frank comes to the realization that people like him can't have a normal life, partially because of his profession and partially because he recognizes the animal in himself and knows that the stable life he always wanted was impossible and selfish. Ah well summarized that makes sense. Was also thinking how Frank fits with other Mann characters like De Niro in Heat & Cruise in Collateral, subverting the idea of a glamorous fun crime life & shows how the violence & paranoia takes a toll & wrecks their personal relationships & they all have strong senses of loneliness. Frank was especially interesting as how Caan did great showing how his lack of education & tact hurt his ability to function in non-crime environments. Like with the social worker he was definitely at a disadvantage because of his prison time but he handles that clumsily & treats it like a joke, rather than having been upfront about it so it wasn’t a surprise & to combine it with his current situation of being a business owner with a house & wife who (appears to) be a stable person. One of his most persuasive arguments for wanting to adopt, having been in the system himself, is lost as he’s combining it with a bribe attempt, and his willingness to take an older child of any race is lost as his tone makes it seem like a used car deal.
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I watched an episode of Miami Vice last week where jazz legend Miles Davis plays a pimp. That was a wild thing to experience. Sorta felt like walking into the bathroom without knocking and seeing my dad naked.
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Noted piece of poo poo G. Gordon Liddy was also on that show.
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mysterious frankie posted:I watched an episode of Miami Vice last week where jazz legend Miles Davis plays a pimp. That was a wild thing to experience. Sorta felt like walking into the bathroom without knocking and seeing my dad naked. lol have you ever seen the Frank Zappa episode
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MrQwerty posted:lol have you ever seen the Frank Zappa episode Not yet! I’m watching them chronologically, so I’ll be experiencing this soon. Shumagorath posted:Noted piece of poo poo G. Gordon Liddy was also on that show. This too! I have seen Gene Simmons already. It was on the same episode where Penn Jillette plays a hapless human chariot being ridden to death by one hell of a haircut.
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mysterious frankie posted:Not yet! I’m watching them chronologically, so I’ll be experiencing this soon. He literally does the exact same poo poo that got him banned for life from SNL and it's loving hilarious just complete disdain
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MrQwerty posted:He literally does the exact same poo poo that got him banned for life from SNL and it's loving hilarious lol
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Rewatched Collateral last night. Great flick all-around. As much as I hate Tom Cruise, he's a great actor and I couldn't see anyone else selling that role like he does. He's so sickly charming in the role, he talks about his work and waxes philosophical in the cab in this way that just triggers the imagination about what kind of backstory he's got. And the dynamic between him and Jamie Foxx (who is also fabulous in his role) is just incredible. I always forget that Mark Ruffalo is the detective, he's barely recognizable with the goatee and slicked-back hair (and Javier Bardem as the scary Mexican gang boss is also a bit of a chameleon). The detective's extremely unceremonious and shocking death at Vincent's hand is crazy traumatic. Of course as tacticLOL nerds the movie is like a wet dream. I can't remember if Andy McNabb was also involved in training up Cruise, but I wouldn't be surprised. Back when I was turbo into guns (and honestly, still) the combat scenes were pure porn. The music is interesting. Two Chris Cornell songs might be too many, but it absolutely works. And I think I've mentioned this before, but the version of Ready Steady Go by Paul Oakenfold that plays in the Asian club scene has the titular sample changed to Korean(?) which I always find funny. The final shootout I still don't really get though. Max steps to the side right as the lights flicker out, and Vincent thinks he's still shooting center-mass but he's not? Unless there's something else going on that I've missed all this time, it seems a little flimsy. And he goes to reload but stops, is that just because he knows he's sustained a fatal wound? Also fun movie trivia if you haven't seen it in a long time: Who is the cameo right at the beginning of the movie? - It's literally the second person you see in focus - Someone, maybe Mann, confirmed that it means the movie is supposed to take place in the same universe as this actor's popular action franchise. It's Jason Statham, handing off the bag to Vincent.
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Mister Speaker posted:As much as I hate Tom Cruise, he's a great actor and I couldn't see anyone else selling that role like he does.  I saw The Killer in an actual theatre last night. It's as if you took Frank and Neil's life plans, put them out of order, and didn't spend any time telling your actor how to clear a house. The logistical elements are all there, but Fassbender does way too much one-handed and moves all wrong. His hand-to-hand fighting is much better and the overall acting is top-notch. It's got more dark comedic elements than any of Mann's work, and Fincher / Reznor and Ross never make a bad movie, but it's not a great movie. Also if you think two Chris Cornell songs are too much, get ready to overdose on The Smiths. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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I'm the fat asian gangster who wouldn't crawl over the couch to save his life
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Shumagorath posted:
I think Fassbender's character is just supposed to be not as good at killing as he thinks he is.
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mobby_6kl posted:Watched that a few days ago and din't love it either but it is pretty good. I'm pretty sure he was supposed to be that good at one point but he's starting to slip, and we come into his life just as it's getting too obvious to ignore. His monologues about himself, how he does his job, and how he sees the rest of us are holdovers from late 90s/early 00s films about angsty outsider badasses; it feels like the central joke\question is "What would one of those sorts of larger than life male power fantasies be like if they were allowed to age the same way the guys who put their posters up on college dorms walls did?" "I dress like a beige German tourist to throw off the normies" Yeah, ok dude. You're in your late 40s and are experiencing early onset grandpa-fication. Go put on some Morrissey and cry about it.
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Parts of the 90’s/00’s vibe (down to the Zune / early flash iPod) might be from not changing a lot from the graphic novels.
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for some reason i thought it was a remake of the john woo movie of the same name and was very confused by the trailer
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And not to be confused with The Killer (2022) which is a crazy badass action movie. Honestly didn't really dig The Killer (2023). Just felt it was pretty boring and I fell asleep halfway through.
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Shumagorath posted:
the Florida fight scene is really good but everything else is kind of mediocre.
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in the killer 2023, the manager guy charges $150k for a job, so what, half of that is paid to our protagonist? He has 6 storage units with vehicles and dozens of disposable passports and credit cards and illegal fire arms in each, and multiple houses? That’s a lot of overhead. How many murders does he have to do to earn a profit
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B-Rock452 posted:And not to be confused with The Killer (2022) which is a crazy badass action movie. How do these compare to The Killer (1989)?
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Extra Large Marge posted:How do these compare to The Killer (1989)? Obviously that is the best The Killer out there. The Killer (2022) is a solid action movie, Man From Nowhere vibes but with a lot more action
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naem posted:in the killer 2023, the manager guy charges $150k for a job, so what, half of that is paid to our protagonist? He has 6 storage units with vehicles and dozens of disposable passports and credit cards and illegal fire arms in each, and multiple houses? Getting passports that scan would be expensive as poo poo to produce and pay off someone at the issuer.
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Shumagorath posted:Parts of the 90’s/00’s vibe (down to the Zune / early flash iPod) might be from not changing a lot from the graphic novels. Makes sense. Seeing how Fincher modernized everything else in the movie (ie a big plot point is that apps and trials and general modern alienation have become an effective toolkit for the canny sociopath on the go) leaving The Killer himself back in the early aughts seems more intentional, like he's making a deliberate statement about how this kind of character can only be modernized so much and is maybe due for retirement.
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Shumagorath posted:
He literally hops around like a chimpanzee in a squat holding his gun one-handed while waving his other hand around and it's hilarious. Like the absolute worst "hold a gun" stance I've ever seen in a movie. I watched that movie across 3 days because the character's narration is so bad and cliche I kept turning it off. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Nov 15, 2023 |
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deep dish peat moss posted:He literally hops around like a chimpanzee in a squat holding his gun one-handed while waving his other hand around and it's hilarious. Like the absolute worst "hold a gun" stance I've ever seen in a movie. When is this I have GOT to see it
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Milo and POTUS posted:When is this I have GOT to see it It's the part where he goes to the safehouse and finds out it got broken into. Chapter 2 I think?
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Okay I just re-watched that part (Starts at 32:00 roughly) and it's not quite as bad as I remember, he's not waving his other arm around it just hangs limply at his side. It's still bad though. It still gives me "Chimpanzee holding a gun" vibes. e: You can see some of it at around 47 seconds in the trailer 
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deep dish peat moss posted:He literally hops around like a chimpanzee in a squat holding his gun one-handed while waving his other hand around and it's hilarious. Like the absolute worst "hold a gun" stance I've ever seen in a movie. He doesn't wave his hand around, it is just held limply at his side like it was injured. It's really really bad and he moves like a moron while clearing
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Shumagorath posted:Wasn’t the $150k for the “insurance”? Presumably that goes to the Lawyer who hires the Brute and the Expert at-cost for a cleanup that requires comparatively no prep. The Lawyer would probably redirect the original “success” payout, though now that I think about it there was no mention of the client getting his money back for the botched target. he uses a different ID and credit card every time he buys something and a different passport every flight, six or 8 in the movie? and his storage unit is chock full of them in plastic baggies. that’s hundreds of thousands of dollars? it’s a lot and he had access to it all after his manager tried to kill him is he must arrange them himself
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deep dish peat moss posted:Okay I just re-watched that part (Starts at 32:00 roughly) and it's not quite as bad as I remember, he's not waving his other arm around it just hangs limply at his side. It's still bad though. It still gives me "Chimpanzee holding a gun" vibes. Man, David Fincher is really good at making movies about maladjusted weirdos.
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naem posted:he uses a different ID and credit card every time he buys something and a different passport every flight, six or 8 in the movie? i think they're just props
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Extra Large Marge posted:Man, David Fincher is really good at making movies about maladjusted weirdos. I think that’s why I love Zodiac so much, you get to see stable but quirky characters slowly morph into insane weirdos.
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there’s a movie in a hitman luring his cryptid hunter mark by disguising himself as the legendary American Yeti. The hunted has become the hunter & so such
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Just rewatched Collatteral and Grey Tom Cruise is a great villain
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michael mann should make some more movies. i need something good to watch
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thathonkey posted:michael mann should make some more movies. i need something good to watch you're in luck.
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