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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
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Total: 404 votes
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VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

quite obviously not real, but still very good

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

fizziest posted:

"But we need faster actions, and more of them. And we do really appreciate the support of the European Union, but we will push them [on this]. Because, as ever, we can see a Ukrainian infantryman standing right in front of us, and he needs ammunition," Kuleba concluded.

The man with the ammo shoots, the man without the ammo follows!

When the man with the ammo gets killed, the man without the ammo picks up the ammo, and shoots!

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

fizziest posted:


Meanwhile, NATO is pushing its member states to overcome protectionist tendencies and agree on a single standard for artillery ammunition so that production can be increased.

Can't wait for FF to explain to us how hosed or not NATO is in the process of actually standardizing the ammo. I'm gonna bet the protectionism meant a bunch of gun only share the caliber designation and does not really accept other 155mm ammo.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Starsfan posted:

Certain pro Ukrainian voices are celebrating an upcoming push on Crimea from the bridgeheads that have been established across the Dnieper.

It is not clear to anyone how this supposed offensive (which almost certainly will not happen, the bridgeheads are purely a PR thing) will somehow be more successful than the previous offensive at overcoming the belts of fortifications and minefields between Ukraine and Crimea, especially considering there is now a huge river at Ukraine's rear to be navigated whereas at Robotyne there was not.

STEINEEERRR

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
The Ukrainian in front shoots, the European behind him posts on social media about it.

When the Ukrainian is shot, the European continues to post on social media about it.

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

how quickly would they go through 1 million bullets anyways? isn’t there something about how some crazy number like 20000 bullets expended on average for one casualty?

CongoJack
Nov 5, 2009

Ask Why, Asshole

fizziest posted:

"But we need faster actions, and more of them. And we do really appreciate the support of the European Union, but we will push them [on this]. Because, as ever, we can see a Ukrainian infantryman standing right in front of us, and he needs ammunition," Kuleba

You’re in Europe, hegemony-ing along when you look down and see Ukraine. It’s crawling towards Russia. You reach down and meddle with it into a war, it’s people dying in the special operation, feeding its army into prepared defenses trying to advance. But it can’t. Not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

supersnowman posted:

Can't wait for FF to explain to us how hosed or not NATO is in the process of actually standardizing the ammo. I'm gonna bet the protectionism meant a bunch of gun only share the caliber designation and does not really accept other 155mm ammo.

Correct.

It's much easier if they go back to the pre-1945 notation and admit that there's, for all intents and purposes, as much variation as in the days of 149.1, 149.7, 152, 152.4, 155, 6 inch, 60 pounder, etc.

But this is not unique to artillery. Remember some NATO service rifles, even if they are all "5.56", won't cycle other NATO countries' 5.56 ammo. SA80, FAMAS and M16A2 all required different bullets, with different weights, designed for different rifling, to work properly.

Take the roller delayed blowback whatever (German engineering) of the G3 and HK33 for example:

"The reliable functioning of roller-delayed blowback mechanisms is limited by specific ammunition and arm parameters like bullet weight, propellant charge, barrel length and amount of wear. For obtaining a proper and safe functioning parameters bandwidth Heckler & Koch offer a variety of locking pieces with different mass and shoulder angles. The angles are critical and determine the unlock timing and pressure curve progression as the locking pieces act in unison with the bolt head carrier."

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 06:48 on Nov 14, 2023

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Is this why Soviet stuff is still so widespread and plentiful 30 years on? Does it actually run off a unified standard so Soviet 155mm shells really do work with any Soviet 155mm artillery?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

That and it generally isn't garbage

fizziest
Nov 5, 2023

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/10/1210766646/ukraine-war-veterans-injuries-sexuality

A program helps Ukraine's veterans find sexual healing after the trauma of war
Brian Mann
November 10, 2023
6:01 PM ET

KYIV, Ukraine — When Russia first launched its war against Ukraine in 2014, Rodion Trystan was 23 years old, a soldier in a front-line battalion in the eastern Donbas region. A Russian sniper bullet nearly took his life.

"It was high-caliber explosive round, my right eye was totally destroyed," Trystan said, speaking in accented English. "I was having a hole in my head."

Trystan said it was a miracle he survived. His skull is scarred now. He wears an eye patch. His left eye was also severely damaged, leaving him with partial vision.

After leaving the hospital, Trystan struggled to make peace with his new appearance, his changed face and the rejection he experienced with many women.

"When you came to a date, she looks at you and not says nothing and just turns around and goes away," he recalls. "It was kind of problem to find sexual partner, because people say, 'You're handicapped, no, it's not going to work.'"

Experts in Ukraine say this is a fast-growing problem since Russia's full-scale invasion began last year. By some estimates, more than 120,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been wounded defending their country.

One of the most complicated parts of their recovery can involve sexuality and intimacy. Trystan says other soldiers have asked him, "How you struggle [with this], how you stand it?"

Veterans Hub, a support group headquartered in Kyiv, has launched a project called ReSex aimed at helping veterans — and healthcare providers — grapple with those questions.

"It's not easy for them sometimes to ask, or for medical workers to answer this," says Kateryna Skorokhod, head of ReSex.

The group's message to soldiers who've experienced physical and mental trauma is one of hope, she says.

"It's not the end of your life, you can be happy, you can have relationships, you can have sex, it could be great, playful," she says. "It's not only about sadness and dark and toughness, it can be bright."


A multimedia effort is used to heal veterans

ReSex has released two books in Ukrainian, one for male veterans, one for female veterans, offering support and guidance.

The texts offer a mix of practical advice, such as how to have sex in a wheelchair, as well as ideas for rethinking body image and desire.

"It's not only about physical contact. It's also about relationships. It's about how to perceive yourself after the injury," Skorokhod says.

Her group is also reaching out on social media, trying find a wider audience while destigmatizing discussions of sexuality in the military.

A video posted by Veterans Hub and ReSex on YouTube shows Ukrainian veterans, men and women, with severe war injuries, getting playful with partners.

"Sex after a combat injury can be serious and uncomfortable," the narrator of the video says. "Or it can be fun and playful, hot and exciting. The main thing — make love!"

The tone is flirty and sexy by design. Trystan is one of the veterans featured, shown in a moment of intimacy with his eye patch removed. He looks handsome, confident.

"The video's looking very provocative, yeah, but it's a way to make them interesting," he says, laughing. "They're definitely getting people's attention. My friends were calling me after this video."


Healing for Ukrainians, influenced by the U.S. war in Afghanistan

Dr. Kseniia Vosnitsyna, head of the Institute of Veteran Mental Health and Rehabilitation run by Ukraine's Ministry of Health, says the government decided to support the ReSex program in an effort to counter poor medical information about sexuality circulating online.

Although it's not clear how many veterans have received support for intimacy issues through the program, "We hope it will have an impact, because people often have very little information," Vosnitsyna says. "When they receive high-quality, good information from trusted specialists, we hope it helps."

Vosnitsyna says it's also difficult to assess how many veterans experience sexual dysfunction due to wartime injury or trauma.

"It is difficult to say in percentages, but in fact there are a lot of complaints about this problem," she says.

The books, the Youtube video and the effort to normalize discussions of body positivity and sexuality after war are based on the work of Kathryn Ellis, an American therapist who started her career treating U.S. veterans.

"There were tons of service members coming back at that time from Afghanistan and they had questions about sex and intimacy," Ellis tells NPR. "Often the providers were not prepared to address those questions."

Ellis wrote a book — Sex and Intimacy for Wounded Veterans — that provided much of the material, with her permission, in the manuals now being used in Ukraine.

Military cultures tend to be conservative, she says. Sex and self-image are areas where many soldiers can feel extra-vulnerable after an injury. Many wounded veterans also experience low libido, according to Ellis.

"It can feel really shameful to bring that up," Ellis says. "Body image plays such a role."

With help and guidance, she says, many veterans recover, learning to feel good again about their bodies. She believes sexual healing can also help with other parts of mental and physical recovery after war.

"There are a lot of hopeful outcomes. Just helping people unpack and work through what they are expecting sex to be like," she says. "They can really be focusing on the pleasure they're feeling in their bodies. That can be extremely empowering in the healing process."

Trystan says with a lot of therapy and work, he's doing well these days — dating, finding romance and getting comfortable seeing himself in the mirror.

"Yeah, OK, I lost my eye, I have some problems with my face, OK, but some people [are] born much more uglier," he jokes.

Despite the war that drags on, Trystan says he's hopeful he will eventually meet a long-term partner who accepts him and the scars that came defending Ukraine.

"At some point, yeah, definitely, my life is not yet ended, at least for now," he says, adding that most of the women he meets these days are more understanding: "If conversation begins, I have chances."

Veterans working on this sexuality project say this kind of hope is essential. They're not just fighting for survival against Russia. They're fighting for the joy and life they believe will come after the war.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


i was having a hole in my head

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Slavvy posted:

That and it generally isn't garbage

This plus it was designed and built for reasons other than pure grift.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Having to produce guides for the vast quantities of freshly minted war disabled is some dire dystopian poo poo

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Have they tried ordering shells from South Korea to combat North Korea shells?

fizziest
Nov 5, 2023

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

fizziest posted:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/11/13/7428589/

Ukraine's Defence Ministry is considering dismissing three commanders
UKRAINSKA PRAVDA
MONDAY, 13 NOVEMBER 2023, 18:09

Ukraine’s Ministry of Defence is considering dismissing three commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


Source:

Ukrainska Pravda sources in Ukraine’s military and political leadership


Details:

According to Ukrainska Pravda’s sources, Defence Minister Rustem Umierov is preparing to dismiss Tetiana Ostashchenko, Commander of Medical Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, Commander of the Tavriia Operational Strategic Group of Forces, and Serhii Naiev, Commander of Joint Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Paramedics and volunteers involved in medical support for Ukraine’s Defence Forces have reportedly been insisting on Ostashchenko’s dismissal.

No reasons were disclosed for the potential dismissal of Tarnavskyi, who is in charge of one of the fronts of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.

Nor did the sources provide any reasons for Naiev’s dismissal. However, according to Ukrainska Pravda’s information, he may be one of the main persons of interest in the proceedings concerning the defence of Kherson Oblast in 2022.

Ukrainska Pravda asked the President’s Office to comment on the possible dismissals of these commanders. Serhii Nikiforov, President Zelenskyy’s press secretary, responded that if such a decision is made, it will be duly announced on the president’s official website.

One of the sources noted that the question of these dismissals has been under consideration for several months now.


https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-november-13/

Ukraine war latest: Media reports Defense Ministry to dismiss 3 commanders, ministry rebuffs claim
by Alexander Khrebet and The Kyiv Independent news desk
November 14, 2023
12:50 AM
7 min read

Key developments on Nov. 13:
- Ukraiska Pravda writes several top commanders to lose their jobs, defense ministry denies ‘some media reports’
- Russian shelling of downtown Kherson kills 2, injures 10
- Training center for Ukrainian F-16 pilots opens in Romania
- Pistorius confirms plan to double Germany's military aid to Ukraine for 2024
- Norway allocates $90 million in humanitarian aid to Ukraine

The Defense Ministry is considering the potential dismissal of three commanders within Ukraine’s Armed Forces, Ukrainian media outlet Ukrainska Pravda reported on Nov. 13, citing unnamed sources in the country’s military and political leadership.

According to Ukrainska Pravda, Defense Minister Rustem Umerov is preparing requests to dismiss Medical Forces Commander Tetiana Ostashchenko, Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, the commander of the southern Tavria Group, and Joint Forces Commander Serhii Naiev.

Hours after Ukrainska Pravda published the report, the Defense Ministry issued a “response to all media inquiries” saying that “information published by a number of media outlets is not true.”

The ministry didn’t specify to which reports it was reacting to.

“The Defense Ministry does not comment on rumors or unverified information. Everyone works as usual, and decisions are discussed in coordination with the General Staff.”

Ukrainian paramedics and volunteers have reportedly called on the country’s leadership to fire Ostashchenko. In July, lawmaker Solomiia Bobrovska said that the Medical Forces Command has not purchased any first aid kits in 2023, and those provided through international aid were not properly checked.

The reasons for the possible dismissal of Tarnavskyi, who commands troops on the southern front line, and Naiev are unknown, Ukrainska Pravda wrote.

Serhii Nikiforov, a spokesperson for the Presidential Office, told Ukrainska Pravda that the office would announce the dismissals on its website if such decisions are approved.

Meanwhile, one of the media outlet’s sources said the discussions on firing the three commanders have been ongoing for months.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

stephenthinkpad posted:

Have they tried ordering shells from South Korea to combat North Korea shells?

Opening the cargo ship cleverly loaded with a thousand samsung washine machine boxes.

"Hey who filled these with actual washing machines?"

I kid. It would be loaded with old Nexus 6 mobiles. And they would just be regular Nexus 6 mobiles, ready to fire and explode.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Nix Panicus posted:

Is this why Soviet stuff is still so widespread and plentiful 30 years on? Does it actually run off a unified standard so Soviet 155mm shells really do work with any Soviet 155mm artillery?

Well, that, and the Second World War destroyed the arms industries that came into the possession of Warsaw Pact, and ended private control over them so things could be standardized in the transnational Bloc.

Remember, Bulgaria is the leading producer of Soviet calibre artillery projectiles in Europe, outside Russia. Well, what guns and calibres did they have in service between 1941-45?:

105mm

10.5 cm Gebirgshaubitze L/12 (Germany)
10.5 cm Feldhaubitze 98/09 (Germany)
10.5 cm leFH 16 (Germany) and 10.5cm lFH Krupp (Germany)
10.5 cm Feldhaubitze M.12 (Romania, Germany)
Rheinmetall 105mm L/30 gun-howitzers (Germany)
10.5 cm leFH 18 howitzers (Germany)
Obusier de 105 GP 105mm (Belgium)

120mm Howitzers

Obusier de 120 mm mle 15TR (France)

Medium and Heavy Artillery

10.5cm Belagerungskanone L/30 (Germany)
10 cm K 14 (Germany)
10 cm schwere Kanone 18 (Germany)
120 mm Schneider-Canet M1897 long gun (France)
122 mm gun M1931/37 (A-19) (Soviet Union)
15cm sFH 05 (Germany)
15 cm sFH 13 (Germany)
lg. 15 cm sFH13 (Germany)
15 cm schwere Feldhaubitze M 14 (Austria-Hungary)
15 cm sFH 18 (Germany)
152 mm howitzer M1910 (Russia, Germany)
Canon de 155 C modèle 1917 Schneider (France)
220 mm TR mle 1915/1916 (France)

I can tell you off the top that the French, German and Austro-Hungarian guns on that list did not share ammunition, and the pre-1914 ammunition was often gun-specific, so a 105mm mountain howitzer might have entirely different shells than a 105mm field gun.

Whereas, the Bulgarian People's Army and Bulgarian Army today has 100mm, 122mm and 152mm. While they use the MT-12, 2S1 and D-20 respectively, they could fire any Soviet ammunition in those calibres without difficulty.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 08:19 on Nov 14, 2023

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

FrancisFukyomama posted:

how quickly would they go through 1 million bullets anyways? isn’t there something about how some crazy number like 20000 bullets expended on average for one casualty?

Schindler's list but he's crying about how if he sold his watch to buy ammo he could've killed two more Russians.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Orange Devil posted:

Schindler's list but he's crying about how if he sold his watch to buy ammo he could've killed two more Russians.

If only I had traded in my Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren I could have bought another (checks price notes) single himars missile. Well... I could have paid for the postage. Have you seen the price of those things?!?

Sad music plays as a single tear falls.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Instead of one Himars missile you can buy many many Hamas missiles.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Starsfan posted:

Certain pro Ukrainian voices are celebrating an upcoming push on Crimea from the bridgeheads that have been established across the Dnieper.

It is not clear to anyone how this supposed offensive (which almost certainly will not happen, the bridgeheads are purely a PR thing) will somehow be more successful than the previous offensive at overcoming the belts of fortifications and minefields between Ukraine and Crimea, especially considering there is now a huge river at Ukraine's rear to be navigated whereas at Robotyne there was not.

They're expecting a land offensive into Crimea?

gently caress I wish I had the delusional confidence of fanatical pro-Ukraine commentators.

I feel like they'd need to mass at least a million troops for something like that to have even a remote possibility of success.

VoicesCanBe has issued a correction as of 12:12 on Nov 14, 2023

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void




Pete’s suit is a bad fit

Look at that poo poo

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

VoicesCanBe posted:

They're expecting a land offensive into Crimea?

gently caress I wish I had the delusional confidence of fanatical pro-Ukraine commentators.

I feel like they'd need to mass at least a million troops for something like that to have even a remote possibility of success.

Well they'd need more troops than Russia have artillery shells anyway. Maybe they could completely empty out a few more oblasts and herd them forwards. Don't worry about training, they're just there to run the guns dry.

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

How much HP does Ukraine have left?

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Ukraine should imbed hero characters into their front lines to give their units some buffs

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Egg Moron posted:

How much HP does Ukraine have left?

hp is just a resource, if you win with more than 1 you weren't being efficient

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1724389716286492741?s=20

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1724247356768485533

Can't help but wonder if the White House is gonna use the Congress dysfunction as their pretext for pulling the plug on Ukraine. If they really truly wanted to continue supplying military aid, they have ways of going around Congress which we've seen many times over the years.

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008



lmao

January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

The
Nelson Mandela
of clapping
dusty old cheeks


( o(

Frosted Flake posted:

Correct.

It's much easier if they go back to the pre-1945 notation and admit that there's, for all intents and purposes, as much variation as in the days of 149.1, 149.7, 152, 152.4, 155, 6 inch, 60 pounder, etc.

But this is not unique to artillery. Remember some NATO service rifles, even if they are all "5.56", won't cycle other NATO countries' 5.56 ammo. SA80, FAMAS and M16A2 all required different bullets, with different weights, designed for different rifling, to work properly.

Take the roller delayed blowback whatever (German engineering) of the G3 and HK33 for example:

"The reliable functioning of roller-delayed blowback mechanisms is limited by specific ammunition and arm parameters like bullet weight, propellant charge, barrel length and amount of wear. For obtaining a proper and safe functioning parameters bandwidth Heckler & Koch offer a variety of locking pieces with different mass and shoulder angles. The angles are critical and determine the unlock timing and pressure curve progression as the locking pieces act in unison with the bolt head carrier."

It's not that bad though like shooting let's say 62grains bullets through a 1/7'' twist barrel which is supposed to work best with 77grains is not catastrophic, slight accuracy loss, zero shift but that's about it. Different cartridge materials (brass vs steel) might be more of a pain because that's also going to mess with reliability but we're talking one malfunction every 4 mags instead of every 10 which, grand scheme of things isn't the end of the world.

Now if someone was to attempt to fire the wrong kind of shell in the wrong kind of gun I would want to be very, very far away when that happens.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

Correct.

It's much easier if they go back to the pre-1945 notation and admit that there's, for all intents and purposes, as much variation as in the days of 149.1, 149.7, 152, 152.4, 155, 6 inch, 60 pounder, etc.

But this is not unique to artillery. Remember some NATO service rifles, even if they are all "5.56", won't cycle other NATO countries' 5.56 ammo. SA80, FAMAS and M16A2 all required different bullets, with different weights, designed for different rifling, to work properly.

Take the roller delayed blowback whatever (German engineering) of the G3 and HK33 for example:

"The reliable functioning of roller-delayed blowback mechanisms is limited by specific ammunition and arm parameters like bullet weight, propellant charge, barrel length and amount of wear. For obtaining a proper and safe functioning parameters bandwidth Heckler & Koch offer a variety of locking pieces with different mass and shoulder angles. The angles are critical and determine the unlock timing and pressure curve progression as the locking pieces act in unison with the bolt head carrier."

I wonder if they actually tell Ukraine "the ammo are not really standard because we had to make sure our workshop made a profit".

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

January 6 Survivor posted:

It's not that bad though like shooting let's say 62grains bullets through a 1/7'' twist barrel which is supposed to work best with 77grains is not catastrophic, slight accuracy loss, zero shift but that's about it. Different cartridge materials (brass vs steel) might be more of a pain because that's also going to mess with reliability but we're talking one malfunction every 4 mags instead of every 10 which, grand scheme of things isn't the end of the world.

Now if someone was to attempt to fire the wrong kind of shell in the wrong kind of gun I would want to be very, very far away when that happens.

Wouldn't they also have different charge and thus impacting action wit different gas pressure? There are a shitload of conscript, many probably not all that willing to be there who might not be all that interested in cleaning/stripping the gun which could help prevent gently caress up.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

supersnowman posted:

Wouldn't they also have different charge and thus impacting action wit different gas pressure? There are a shitload of conscript, many probably not all that willing to be there who might not be all that interested in cleaning/stripping the gun which could help prevent gently caress up.

That was the (well, a) problem with the SA80.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

fizziest
Nov 5, 2023

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f087302118b4229

Zelenskiy says Russian attacks are increasing around Donetsk, Kupiansk and Avdiivka
3h ago11.43 GMT

Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has said Russia is increasing its attacks across the frontline, AFP reports.

Neither side has made any significant territorial gain for months, but both Zelenskiy and the Kremlin have denied the conflict has ground to a stalemate.

“The military reported an increase in the number of enemy assaults,” Zelenskiy wrote on Telegram on Tuesday, saying Russian forces were attacking around Donetsk, Kupiansk and Avdiivka.

“The enemy continues to take revenge on the free Kherson, shelling the city centre without any military necessity,” he added.

Zelenskiy has said Russia is likely to increase airstrikes against Ukraine’s energy infrastructure before winter, as it did last year.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Ardennes posted:

The Russians don't even need to really attack, they could simply keep firing their guns until there is no one left to fill the trenches in front of them (which is mostly their strategy already). Basically, they have to figure out a way for Russia to throw in the towel just because.

It's the same thing we're seeing in Gaza right now - every single person around in diplomatic positions and the vast majority of people in political positions have never lived in a world where we could simply declare terms and have things be done. Sure it might be messy for a little bit while the situation on the ground got ironed out, but at a strategic level it was as simple as that. And the idea that Russia might not just go along with a Korea type freeze isn't even under consideration. We don't know how to do diplomacy we only know how to do ultimatums.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

VoicesCanBe posted:

They're expecting a land offensive into Crimea?

gently caress I wish I had the delusional confidence of fanatical pro-Ukraine commentators.

I feel like they'd need to mass at least a million troops for something like that to have even a remote possibility of success.

Russia took Crimea with six total deaths and a security detachment. How hard can it be?

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Nix Panicus posted:

Russia took Crimea with six total deaths and a security detachment. How hard can it be?

wow this the most deadliest insurgency by a very hostile population against a very unpopular rule ever

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BrotherJayne
Nov 28, 2019

Egg Moron posted:

Pete’s suit is a bad fit

Look at that poo poo

lol, he looks like the dude from Succession

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