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DavidCameronsPig posted:It'd be like if after the Manhattan project, the US Air Force used nuclear power to make the propellers on an airplane go round while someone opens the plane door and shoots at Hiroshima with a bow and arrow. Ok but I bet we did try that, god knows the US military has done stupider stuff
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DavidCameronsPig posted:The whole idea of starships even having weapons when they also have antimatter warp drives is kind of absurd. A war with the Romulans would involve the Romulans pointing an empty ship with a warp drive at Earth, and then earth shortly later becoming a second asteroid belt. The idea that objects powerful enough to fold the very fabric of existence in front of them just to make a short cut between two points also have little laser canons that go pew pew pew is batshit insane. Sure but due to narrative contrivance, warp drives do not work that way
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Big Mac posted:Ok but I bet we did try that, god knows the US
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Der Kyhe posted:It also helped that before nu-Trek, Picard was an inspirational character that really, really didn't want to use weapons to disarm an situation and used diplomacy and intelligence to wrangle down the asshats that went violence first, and stared down the idiots who negotiated by screaming obscenities. 
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It's a shame to not see TAS represented in this.
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Nov 14, 2023 21:56
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Big Mac posted:It's a shame to not see TAS represented in this. TAS: Has cats
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maybeadracula posted:With at least one notable exception in Prodigy Special case there because the Vau N'Akat were brainbroke assholes who split evenly between "We're better than the Federation, we don't need them." and "Eh, maybe we should join the Federation to help make them better". And then destroyed themselves over that dumbfuck argument.
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Grey Cat posted:TAS: Has cats Also, Kirk is a jerk.
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Grey Cat posted:TAS: Has cats 20 foot tall Spocks Satan's a cool dude Three armed guy Everyone voiced by James Doohan and Nichelle Nichols
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DavidCameronsPig posted:It'd be like if after the Manhattan project, the US Air Force used nuclear power to make the propellers on an airplane go round while someone opens the plane door and shoots at Hiroshima with a bow and arrow. It'd be like if after that, they used nuclear power to make the turbines on a big ship (named Enterprise) go round and round while it launched planes and missiles and big guns. (Also a photon torpedo is literally an antimatter bomb) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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nine-gear crow posted:20 foot tall Spocks and the esteemed HARCOURT FENTON MUDD
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Big Mac posted:and the esteemed HARCOURT FENTON MUDD """In the sixth day of fleet day my true love gave to me... Picard's Borg spunk 20 foot tall Spocks Satan's a cool dude Three armed guy Everyone voiced by James Doohan and Nichelle Nichols and the esteemed HARCOURT FENTON MUDD, wee \o/"""
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MikeJF posted:It'd be like if after that, they used nuclear power to make the turbines on a big ship (named Enterprise) go round and round while it launched planes and missiles and big guns. It's very Federation that we have nuclear powered submarines, whose missions are to submerge and simply wait in case we need to do something truly awful to the world. Not because the Federation would do that, but since they can they don't have to
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nine-gear crow posted:Special case there because the Vau N'Akat were brainbroke assholes who split evenly between "We're better than the Federation, we don't need them." and "Eh, maybe we should join the Federation to help make them better". And then destroyed themselves over that dumbfuck argument. I felt like they were the weakest part of Prodigy really. Like, yes I fully understand that this is exactly what happens and there's nothing unbelievable about it but I prefer the antagonists to have better motivations.
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Big Mac posted:Ok but I bet we did try that, god knows the US military has done stupider stuff They did research nuclear powered bombers and start some prototyping, but there were major safety issues (way too easy to crash and even when they don't nuclear shielding is too heavy for a plane) and they never really panned out. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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CainFortea posted:But nothing that happens on screen really disagrees with the stated stance on use of force, especially that as laid out so well by alexandriao. At least as long as we're not counting bad actors, which seems fair since they're explicitly ignoring the rules. Also: Originally Starfleet did not act as a military, it was on Archer's recommendation that they start packing more firepower on their ships because of how crucial it was during first contact to pack enough of a punch to: - protect yourself and some other aliens from shithead aliens - get the other aliens to consider you not worth killing/difficult to kill - disable them so they have to stand there while you talk about diplomacy alexandriao fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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Der Kyhe posted:"""In the sixth day of fleet day my true love gave to me... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85n9ye73DjE
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This is art.
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DavidCameronsPig posted:The whole idea of starships even having weapons when they also have antimatter warp drives is kind of absurd. A war with the Romulans would involve the Romulans pointing an empty ship with a warp drive at Earth, and then earth shortly later becoming a second asteroid belt. The idea that objects powerful enough to fold the very fabric of existence in front of them just to make a short cut between two points also have little laser canons that go pew pew pew is batshit insane. there's some scifi story where some aliens invade earth like this
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ChubbyChecker posted:there's some scifi story where some aliens invade earth like this The Road Not Taken by Harry Turtledove. They invade with like, flintlock weapons or something. E: its a short story, check it out.
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DavidCameronsPig posted:The whole idea of starships even having weapons when they also have antimatter warp drives is kind of absurd. A war with the Romulans would involve the Romulans pointing an empty ship with a warp drive at Earth, and then earth shortly later becoming a second asteroid belt. The idea that objects powerful enough to fold the very fabric of existence in front of them just to make a short cut between two points also have little laser canons that go pew pew pew is batshit insane. Isn't that pretty much the entire idea of the deflector dish? To avert the near-FTL particles or diverting the items in the way when using warp? In that case, having a planetary deflector dish network that just throws that poo poo away, or deflects it, or dematerializes it before it hits as a part of planned defense is a trivial thing considering their technology. In one TNG episode the locals who attacked Enterprise couldn't even breach their navigational shielding, meaning that system is up all the time. In B5 the use of mass drivers to do planetary bombardments was a huge taboo, I bet it also would be in Star Trek.
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Big Mac posted:It's very Federation that we have nuclear powered submarines, whose missions are to submerge and simply wait in case we need to do something truly awful to the world. Not because the Federation would do that, but since they can they don't have to don’t we also have fake aka not nuclear subs that drive around getting attention on purpose to make our nuke subs hide-ier
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CainFortea posted:No. We can not. My bad, I didn't add nearly enough lens flare.
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Grey Cat posted:The Road Not Taken by Harry Turtledove. i should, it's been on my to-read lists for years i've tried to read one turtledove earlier, it was some of his alt-hists, and it sucked so much that i threw it in the garbage
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Grey Cat posted:My bad, I didn't add nearly enough lens flare. I can still see what’s happening and I don’t feel nauseous. 0/10 see me after class
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ChubbyChecker posted:i should, it's been on my to-read lists for years It's the only one of his things I've read, and only because I see it get brought up from time to time, so I can't speak for the other works.
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We had this conversation a few pages ago, but objects at warp do not carry the kinetic energy of a hypothetical object actually moving at multiple times light speed. The field will just fail as it intersects an object too large to enter the field. You're better off attacking a planet by throwing stuff at it at high impulse than you are warp ramming it. (Bonus points if said stuff is full of antimatter)
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Der Kyhe posted:In B5 the use of mass drivers to do planetary bombardments was a huge taboo, I bet it also would be in Star Trek. Yeah, and that would be one of the first things any decently interplanetary, let alone interstellar, civilization would think of in terms of aggression against their neighbors. Got engines strong enough to move between planets? Got big rocks floating around in the same system? A + B = problem solved. Showing up in an armed ship (especially one with no gunports, so you can see how armed it is right out in the open) should be interpreted as an act of good faith. The guys who show up with no weapons are the suspicious ones, their ships are probably rigged for hauling.
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McSpanky posted:The guys who show up with no weapons are the suspicious ones, their ships are probably rigged for hauling. Turns out the Cerritos is banned in half the galaxy by treaty.
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Grey Cat posted:My bad, I didn't add nearly enough lens flare. Needs more Simon Pegg
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Grey Cat posted:The Road Not Taken by Harry Turtledove. I've heard this story referenced a couple times on here, so I finally just got around to reading it: https://www.eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf To anyone who hasn't read it yet, give it a shot. Its a pretty short read and an amusing concept to consider.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Needs more Simon Pegg
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ChairmanMauzer posted:I've heard this story referenced a couple times on here, so I finally just got around to reading it: https://www.eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf It's actually a prequel, the original story takes place during the human-dominated empire of the galaxy when oh gently caress we got complacent and it turns out we weren't the only ones who'd gone down the road not taken.
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I've given 'er all she's got cap'n.
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MikeJF posted:It'd be like if after that, they used nuclear power to make the turbines on a big ship (named Enterprise) go round and round while it launched planes and missiles and big guns. DrSunshine posted:I haven't watched Discovery, but can we take a moment to appreciate some of the concepts they did for the 32nd Century Federation?  Star Trek ships designed for the "future" (beyond the timeframe of the show in question) are pretty fun because they let the designers go nuts. Also a fan of Voyager's Relativity for the same reason: 
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That's a TOS hand phaser in space. The second one is just a ship from a completely different franchise with a more boring visual identity
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I think the Eisenberg is one of the better liked 32nd century designs. You can kinda see how a saucer and hull evolved to that while still being something very novel.
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Honestly, I like the Earth Defense ship/station from Disco. It looks weird in a good way, better than when they try to take a regular ship but delete the pylons.
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